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    Well, there goes the offense.
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    Getting a 6th round pick for a backup kicker is pretty awesome IMO. We can now use that pick to get Trent Green.
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    How exactly is Mare worth a sixth round pick? Good trade for the Phins, god damn them.

    Here's hoping they don't draft another Yerehmiah Bell.
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    Mare still has one of the strongest legs in the NFL. Kicking in a dome will help his numbers, as will playing for a coach who probably won't have him attempt as many 50+ yarders.
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    Mare saw a great decline in his accuracy over the past 2 years. I can live with the misses from over 50, but he missed 3 field goals last year over under 40 yards. When your offense is that bad, you can ill-afford that kind of kicking. Mare wore out his welcome with the Fins and was not worth a 6th rounder. This is the 2nd trade Miami has gotten great value for this off-season.
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    Maybe they'll figure out a way to graft John Carney's head onto Olindo Mare's body.
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    Accuracy shoudl go up now that he doesn't have to kick off the basepaths when Joe Robbie is still set up for baseball.
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    Maybe they should stop trading draft picks for QBs who are either a has been (Green, Culpepper) or a never was (Feeley, Harrington).
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    Maybe. But I do recall Mare saying that he didn't need to practice on the dirt, that he was a pro and could handle it. I've hated him ever since those comments and knew his skills were on the decline.
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    I agree lol! But I think Green for a 6th rounder is a very good deal.
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    You were probably just as excited to get Culpepper. Your team cannot win right now, why not develop a QB rather than plug in someone else's outcasts every year?
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    As a dolphin fan I agree I can't figure out why miami doesn't draft a qb. With randy mueller doing the draft now he believes in getting a qb every year so hopefully miami finally finds a starter for the future.

    I mean it seemed to work for the pats with brady ya know.
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    I think it shows how amazing this organization is when we have 10 picks in the draft (after trading away two) and people don't think too much of it, and the Dolphins have 9 picks and their fans are impressed.
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    Why can't the team win right now? The defense is one of the best 5 in all of football, the receivers had a down year but are pretty good for the most part, Ronnie Brown is a stud and Ricky is coming back. If the OL gives us anything at all and our same for our QB, we can be a very good team.

    I know there are question marks, but it's possible the team can win games this year. Weather it's Green or Culpepper, I want to draft Quinn and groom him for a year. My personal feeling is that I want the team to sell out to draft Quinn. Trade up and get him!
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    I have to actually agree with this. My cousin, who is a Dolphin fan, calls him "Olindo Maybe".

    Anyway, why are Dolphin fans creaming their pants over Trent Green? He's WAY past his prime, and well into his 30's. Plus, I wasn't impressed with him at all last season, especially in the Indy playoff game where he couldn't even lead his team to ONE first down through three quarters. If you really believe that he is the man, then it's no wonder your organization has been taking backwards steps for the last 20 years.
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    - You're in a rebuilding stage. It'll get worse before it gets better.

    - In '05 the Broncos defense was the best in all of football. What happened to them in '06? Things like that change fast.

    - Chambers belongs in the slot, Booker is decent at best. I can't see Hagan panning out and Welker was the hardest working/most dependable receiver you guys had and now he's with *drum roll* US!

    - Can't say I disagree.

    - He's aged and he's merely playing for a paycheck. That is, if he can pass a piss test.

    - Your OL is vastly underrated and took way too much flack for Culpepper's turd of a start. The problem was Culpepper. He has NO CONFIDENCE LEFT. The problem was never his knee (as was even reported by a few SoFLA news stations and papers) but his psyche and that's the worst problem a pro athelete can have. His knee didn't cause him to hold on to the ball for too long, his fragile psyche did because he wasn't confident that he could get the ball into a receiver's hands. Culpepper is not your man, Trent Green is too old. You should either go after Carr or hope Brady Quinn falls into your lap.
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    that's a flat-out great job by the dophins.
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    So everyone knew that Miami was going to trade an aging kicker because they had already obtained his replacement and got a sixth but Houston couldn't get anything for a young, five year starting QB? Houston, you have a problem......

    And I don't buy this spin by Houston's FO that they let Carr go out of respect...

    OK, OK, Car had a sizeable contract but couldn't the team have pawned him off to the Raiders for a 4th after a restructuring?
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    Oh so now tou're the GM of the Dolphins?? We're not rebuilding we're re-tooling, sorta like the Jets and Saints of 06. I guess you don't remember both those teams had worse seasons in 05 the we did in 06, so it's not uncommon to turn things around in one offseason.

    Again teams turn things around every year.

    The Pats haven't had any better WR's then the Dolphins that's not even a valid argument on your part.

    Ricky has also played a lot less games in the last three years then other backs so the wear and tear isn't there. Ricky will be a more then solid backup RB.

    Wow, this has to be the most un-educated paragraph I've ever read here...and that's saying a lot. First of all Daunte wasn't the problem nearly as much as the line. We have a poster on Finheaven that broke every snap down, Daunte played and the time he was allowed to get rid of the ball and it was not even close. Daunte was given little chance. When he was given time to make a play he had a better compl.% then any QB on the team. Daunte's knee was most an definately an issue, but the line was horrific.

    Our Oline was shuffled after the Pats game. Joey Harringtons first start and the line started to improve if only slightly, it was an improvement. If you'll also notice many of the starters from our line are gone and Daunte is still a Dolphin (so much for your theory!) and will get his chance to compete for the starting job. If his knee is still a problem he will most likely be released. Miami needs a LT and a LG to field a good line, if they start to compete and build some confidence that will go a long way in their success.

    As for QB Miami only has one experienced QB on the team and his situation is un-known at the moment so Miami is in the market for experience. Trent Green knows Cams system very well and is very comfortable in that system. He will be given the same chance to compete as Daunte if he's signed. Lets also not forget that Cam has tutored two of the best young QB's in the league the last several years in Drew Brees and Philip Rivers. Both of whom made the playoffs last year. Cam will be a positive influence on Daunte and the offense.

    Miami isn't rebuilding and as with any team, with a little luck we could be a very good team if we can get Daunte on the field healthy and the left side of the line fixed. There is still plenty of time before the season starts.
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    well idk....i think cameron and green worked together i think, so thats why green is a target

    if culpepper's confidence was hurt by his injury, what makes trent green any better?

    imo- if they're looking to aquire a QB, they should target carr, but then again you can make the same case for harrington....

    but thinking about it, trading a draft pick for green will probably turn out like trading for culpepper


    how many fins are praying for quinn to fall?

    draft a qb, dont trade a pick for one or sign a terrible one


    if you guys do anything, sign bledsoe and draft a qb in the 6th round...and the rest will work itself out in the end
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    It's only called "re-tooling" when you've actually accomplished something. When you go 19-29 over the last three seasons, it is not possible to "re-tool" since you sucked. But hey, whatever. Go ahead and pretend you're not rebuilding. Whatever makes you feel good about the upcoming season.
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    - No, you're re-BUILDING. The Pats retooled after the season with some WRs and a LB. Re-tooling is cleansing positions with age and bringing in fresh, young faces. Re-building is what Cam Cam is doing which is basically getting rid of old and useless bodies and getting draft picks for them to build your franchise for the future. You can only "re-tool" when your team has actually done something over the past couple of years. 9-7 doesn't count. And please, you and the rest of your fans, stop comparing your team to other good teams in the league. YOU ARE NOT A PLAYOFF CONTENDER EVERY ******* YEAR!!!

    - The first "what the hell?" (there will at least be one more of them). What does that have to do with anything I just said. I said the Broncos had the best D in '05, sucked in '06 and you come up with that? You just agreed with me. The fins had an awesome D in '06, but '06 won't mean jack in '07. Just like "Trent Green was good three years ago" won't mean anything this year.

    - Again, what the hell? Don't smoke before you come on here and try to join in on a debate. But please, point out where I said that the Pats have had better WR's than the Phins. Please? You can't, can you? Because I never said that. Here's what I said, and if you would like to address it, you're more than welcome:

    - Chambers belongs in the slot, Booker is decent at best. I can't see Hagan panning out and Welker was the hardest working/most dependable receiver you guys had and now he's with *drum roll* US!

    - Yes, backup. Thanks for agreeing with me since I basically said that he probably won't be able to hack a starting roll. Did you even read what I said before you wrote a response?

    - I wouldn't put it past anybody on Fin Heaven to spend hours of their lives analyzing the Dolphins, but I just simply can't believe this. And I can't believe that all you guys buy into this. If you actually watched the Dolphins games (which I have watched being since I live in FLA), Culpepper was holding onto the ball way too long. Nobody can block a man for longer than 10 seconds. It's impossible. Unless you have Superman blocking a 13 year old kid with cancer. He held onto it for so long that he could finally find a man wide open (great job, Daunte!) and throw to him just as the D-Line closed in on him. I could do that.

    - Yes, I remember that game. Harrington played with the same O-Line that Culpepper did and actually looked a lot better than him. Granted he threw a couple of picks, but he threw them to Asante Samuel one of the best corners in the league. So eat that. Behind the same O-Line, JOEY HARRINGTON looked better than your premier QB. Maybe you should have "shuffled the O-Line" (I put it in quotes because it was more like one or two guys getting moved around) a little bit sooner. Or just signed Drew Brees.

    - Trent Green is 37 years old. Just let that sink in for a little bit. The thing I hate about most Phin fans is that they are stuck in the past. I guess this goes with everything since all you can do to back up wanting Trent Green is to say that he was good in 2003. This will be 2007.

    Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off and I'm going to smoke a bowl.
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    Miami biggest problem over the last three seasons has been playcalling because we've had three different OC the past three season, not talent. Sure we needed to make some changes to the talent level on the team, but so far there have been very few starters lost on the offensive side of the ball. Welker, McMichael and James are the only three full time starters we've lost on the O side of the ball. Everyone else was 2nd or 3rd string. Not really much of a turnover at all. We've lost a couple of backups on the D side of the ball, but we are looking to add youth only there. Miami has made very few changes to the starting lineup, not nearly enough to be cnsidered rebuilding.

    Plus at the moment we have 8 DP's and everyone knows they can have an imediate impact. They can also fail, but I like Randy Muellers ability to draft talent very much, he's a proven talent evaluator and has won executive of the year as the Saints GM. Add to that one of the best OC in the game of football and a terrific QB coach as is evident with Brees and Rivers. Miami hasn't had an Offensive minded HC ever, I think Miami will start to focus much more on the offensive side of the ball and Dom Capers runs the defensive side of the ball giving Miami two of the best Coordinators in the game.
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    No we're NOT re-building!!!!!!!!!!!!! Miami has lost maybe three full time starters, the rest were backups.

    Wow, another stupid statement! Evrything you decribed BB doing, Mueller is doing the same. You just decribed re-tooling and re-building as exactly the same things, you just put BB in front of one and Cam in front of the other...even though Cam has nothing to do with the changes made so far.

    I see, so what the Jets and Saints did in 06 wasn't real?? Every year teams go from 4-12 like the 04 Chargers to 12-4 in 05. You know why you have the opinion the Dolphins won't succeed?? Cause you don't want them to succeed, don't confuse what you want with what you have no control over. Miami has a better D then NE, all we have to do is make the right changes to the O side of the ball to be a good team. So far, Miami seems to be doing that.



    You can't see Hagan working out??? Hmmm, one season and you can't see him working out on top of everything else telent evaluator too, funny how everyone in a Dolphins uniform sucks or is avg. gosh that sure is awful bias of you!! Obviously the Pats don't need superstars to make the playoffs and suberbowl why should the Dolphins?? Don't even Bring the Dolphins WR into this argument they aren't the problem. But obviously this needs to be explained to you on a 5th grade level.


    I think Ricky is more then a backup as far as his talent goes, but Ricky will step in here and play whatever role is asked of him, if that's a backup role then that's what he'll do. With that said Ricky is far more talented then 90% of the RB's in the league including Ronnie Brown. Ricky's age will be less of a factor then you want it to be because he's in shape and even though he wasn't in the NFL last year, he still played proball last year and did quite well. So basically Miami will have two starting RB's at their disposal if Ricky is reinstated, which looks pretty good at this point. If Ronnie goes down we have no dropoff in talent out of the backfield. Advantage....Miami!!



    Do you honestly think I give a damn what you believe?? The work the Fin poster put into to those threads took weeks of hard work braking down film play by play, second by second. Why?? Cause he's a footall fan and he wanted to see if the issues came from Dauntes holding the ball or the line not doing their job. As I already stated the line was by far the biggest issue.

    Early in the season with a new OC and new Linemen and new QB and new plays. It all takes time. Of all the things that happen in football it takes the offense longer to mesh then any other part of the team. Not to mention the Dolphins faced teams that didn't make a ton of changes to their teams in the 06 offseason and those teams took far less time to get up to speed. All of thses things were factors in what we saw from the Dolphins in the first part of 06 If you're going to post as if you don't know this, then stop posting, because you come across as a novice football fan.

    After five weeks of football the Oline was no better then it was the first 4 weeks. If the line were better as you suggest then the changes wouldn't have been made to the starting lineup after week 5 (the Pats game). Joey and Daunte have two different styles of play and Daunte wa vastly limited in his ability to move around in the pocket. That was an issue, but not enough that the line wasn't the problem because the changes were still made.

    Daunte's real strength is his ability to make things happen when the play breaks down, he wasn't able to do that and it affected his game. Daunte's injury was sever, tearing three ligamnets in your knee is a major injury that only time can heal. Daunte tried to come back in the same amount of time as Carson Palmer who only tore one ligament, and if you watched Carson play the first part of the season he wasn't very comfortable at all on his repeaied knee and he made that point clear in interviews. Daunte has had almost two years to heal from the injury, he will be given every chance to compete this year. From all that he's done as a starting QB in the NFL, he's earned the chance.


    Waht are you 12??? Harrington came in a did a decent job, he was also completely healthy! Why is everything you write so full of half facts?? You write things about Joey, but then leave out Daunte's injured knee, like it had nothing to do with his ability to do what he does. Then you claim Joey played better, but leave out the fact that Joey was replaced by Cleo Lemon. You say the the Oline made changes, then dismiss the changes as f they weren't that big of a deal??

    The left side of the line was the problem....only the most important part of the Oline. Ya know the Pats didn't have nearly as much trouble with their team and Joey Harrington and the Dolphins one agin find a way to spank the Pats, Bears and beat the KC chiefs. That's three playoff teams, we won those games with a crap load of issues on the Offensive side of the ball. So as much as you love to talk trash Miami held their own aginst soem of the better teams in the league. A few positive changes and some luck....something the Pats know all to well, and we could be a completely different team in just one offseason.


    Once again typical Pat fan, everything has to be worst case for everyone but the Pats. Trent Green isn't a Dolphin he's a Chief. "IF" the Dolphins sign him then you have no idea what he will do next year, you don't know if he will be a probowler or if he'll be injured the first game. So spear us your psycho bable about what Trent Green is, you have no more proof of what he will do next year then anyone else.

    BTW little pot head, whens the last time the Pats won the SB?? And what year is this??? Lets hear your crap about the past!!
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    it's more of a stupid/bad job by the aints ...than it is a "great" job by the doofins......that's like saying the jets did a flat out great job in getting Thomas Jones from Chicago for merely having to switch 2nd round picks!!!.....puhleese...that was one of the dumbest....poor decisions ever made in the NFL.....
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