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    Sorry if its been posted but Dion and Coach Mariucci both agree that Faulk made the first down and BAD mark by the Officials!! On NFL Network where they start talking about the 4th down and 2. Thats exactly what i thought when Faulk made the catch.
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    Re: D.SANDERS and Mariucci say Faulk got the first down !!

    That's really fantastic news. :rolleyes:
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    Re: D.SANDERS and Mariucci say Faulk got the first down !!

    Would, coulda, shoulda. Maybe he did, but without timeouts we weren't in the position to challenge the referees on it. That alone should have forced BB to call for a punt.
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    Re: D.SANDERS and Mariucci say Faulk got the first down !!

    Turn the page already.
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    Re: D.SANDERS and Mariucci say Faulk got the first down !!

    I think he got it too. He bobbled the ball initially (which is why the officials didn't just give him forward progress), but he got control at the 30 before he was pushed back.

    But the Pats used up all of their timeouts before the 2 minute warning, and couldn't challenge. That's inexcusable.

    If the play had happened 8 seconds later it would have been automatically reviewed. But it was just outside the 2 minute warning, and we couldn't challenge.

    I wonder how NFL apologist Mike Pereira will defend the call this week.
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    Re: D.SANDERS and Mariucci say Faulk got the first down !!

    The thing that kills me about bad calls, like the Cinci game week1 this season.

    There is no overturning, there is no going back, there is no nothing, but an empty feeling that makes you distain the NFL a little more every time you see it happen.

    No matter the bad call, no matter the visual evidence after the game, the game is a Loss, and the NFL moves on.
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    Re: D.SANDERS and Mariucci say Faulk got the first down !!

    He'll say it was quick on the field and a judgement call, and most likely make FAulks bobble seem worse than it was, like Michaels did on the broadcast. Bottom line, wasting all of our timeouts was stupid.
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    Re: D.SANDERS and Mariucci say Faulk got the first down !!

    I don't think there would haev been enough evidence to overturn it anyways. I would have liked to see the perspective from the other side of the field.

    The inside judge came in to spot it at the 31... how those two were 2 yards apart is beyond me... I would say it's tough to be 6 feet different on opinion. Especially when the inside judge has a better view of when he has control of the ball.
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    Re: D.SANDERS and Mariucci say Faulk got the first down !!

    As bad as I've been feeling today, that made me laugh. Thanks.
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    Re: D.SANDERS and Mariucci say Faulk got the first down !!

    While we're on bad calls - can anyone tell me what exactly Darius Butler did to earn a P.I. call on the 2nd to last Colts scoring drive? Looked like he was playing the ball perfectly and had position, but the WR kind of crashed into him. Perhaps it was good gamesmanship on the Colt's part, but I thought the call was amateur hour. 30+ yard P.I. with 3 minutes left in the 4th quarter... nice job.
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    Re: D.SANDERS and Mariucci say Faulk got the first down !!

    There's a youtube video where someone goes through a DVR of the play. Honestly, it's not conclusive. There's no video camera positioned right at the 30, it's at an angle so you can't get an accurate read on it. All I can tell you is, it was within one foot of the 30 (on either side). Anything more than that and I'd be guessing.
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    Re: D.SANDERS and Mariucci say Faulk got the first down !!

    Yeah, he breathed on the receiver so the refs had to throw the flag or else Manning and Polian would have thrown a ****fit.
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    Re: D.SANDERS and Mariucci say Faulk got the first down !!

    If players execute properly one bad call will not change a game. There's plenty more you can point to about that game than just one spot by the officials.

    If they knew they were going to go for it on 4th and 2 they should have done a QB sneak on 3rd and 2 or a draw - something more than two straight short yardage passes in the face of a really good rush.
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    Re: D.SANDERS and Mariucci say Faulk got the first down !!

    I posted this in a different thread, where the youtube link is, but if you watch it, and stop the video just as Faulk's foot comes down on the turf, when he clearly had possession, his foot is squarely on the thirty yd line.
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    Re: D.SANDERS and Mariucci say Faulk got the first down !!

    Who cares where his foot is??? The placement of the ball is what's important - to me it looked like an equal chance that it was on the wrong side of the 30 when he came into possession.
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    Re: D.SANDERS and Mariucci say Faulk got the first down !!

    Ok, but you will need the camera angle from the other side to verify his possession.
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    Re: D.SANDERS and Mariucci say Faulk got the first down !!

    It would have been really nice if NBC let us see a few more views of the play instead of letting Collingsworth proclaim that Faulk bobbled the ball all the way to the ground. There's a great video at Barstool Sports that shows the ball was firmly in Faulk's possession before he was pushed back. The refs made the call that they did, although the apparent initial spot of the ball was not where the ball was finally spotted, and we have to live with that. But at least in my mind I'm satisfied that it was a good play that was well executed.
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    Re: D.SANDERS and Mariucci say Faulk got the first down !!

    In this regard, it really is on BB.

    One would think he would have the insight that he couldn't challenge the forthcoming play if anything happened. That should have been extra incentive to punt.
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    Re: D.SANDERS and Mariucci say Faulk got the first down !!

    I was watchin the NFL network after the game... They showed the clip about 5 times... I tip my hat off to Dion, he spoke out and said it was a 1st down... side judge had no view of the ball and they show a clip of another side judge runnin down the field gettin ready to mark it 1st and 10...
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    Re: D.SANDERS and Mariucci say Faulk got the first down !!

    Wait, are you saying you punt because of the 1% chance you may need the challenge on the next play?
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    Re: D.SANDERS and Mariucci say Faulk got the first down !!

    Why is that inexcusable?

    If you're going to go for it, you MUST call a timeout there. The chances of needing a challenge are minimal esp. since the 2 minute warning is coming up, and only the next play is challengeable.

    Biggest play of the game, you call a timeout.

    You can criticize them for the two earlier timeouts in which the players and coaches were disorganized, but that would be nuts for Belichick to try it on 4th down without calling a timeout.
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    Re: D.SANDERS and Mariucci say Faulk got the first down !!

    and he's absolutely right.. the guy with NO view of the play overruled the guy with the BEST view of the play to go against a team with no timeouts on 4th down from their own 30. Absolutely ridiulous call. If anything call it a first down and give Indy the opportunity to challenge if you aren't sure so at least the call is reviewed.
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    Re: D.SANDERS and Mariucci say Faulk got the first down !!

    The angle though comes from the backside and the backside angle usually errs toward the Colts favor in that instance. If the angle was in front of the 1st down line, it would show Faulk was ahead of the line. I did think he definitely made it and it was a bad mark but I agree it was close and perhaps the replay booth would not have changed the spot, since that was the game right there. If the replay booth overturns the call, the Patriots win.
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    Re: D.SANDERS and Mariucci say Faulk got the first down !!

    im tellin u, the nfl is set up... im sorrii, someone made a reference about the nfl being the wwe... i love the pats and hope to see them in the superbowl but i got a gut feelin, its gonna be saints vs. colts (two unbeaten teams)... nfl is all about ratings and wat better way...
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    Re: D.SANDERS and Mariucci say Faulk got the first down !!

    The head coach, offensive coordinator and QB should be on the same page going into EVERY drive, but especially so on that particular one. They burn a TO on 1st down? WTF moment #1. Then on 3rd down they throw a pass that almost gets pick sixed the other way. Had the OC known BB had planned to go for it on 4th, then a more conservative play call on 3rd would've been called. That way Indy is forced to use their final TO or the clock runs to the 2 minute warning.

    Biggest series of the game, you prepare in advance for each scenario.
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    Re: D.SANDERS and Mariucci say Faulk got the first down !!

    It's inexcusable to use all 3 of your timeouts before the 2 minute warning of any game, as far as I'm concerned. You handcuff yourself, as we found out to our disadvantage.

    Maybe you call a timeout before that play. But we called 2 other timeouts earlier in the 2nd half. Brady called one 3 plays earlier at the beginning of that series.

    I don't care what the game or what the situation. You don't burn all 3 timeouts before the 2 minute warning. Piss poor game management.
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    Re: D.SANDERS and Mariucci say Faulk got the first down !!

    Bingo. Situational football. Supposed to be our strong suit for just that reason.
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    Re: D.SANDERS and Mariucci say Faulk got the first down !!

    Someone help me out here... Why are challenges tied in wit timeouts... I would keep it the way it is but it wont burn out the timeout... or if they do tie it in, if u have no time outs and u lose the challenge then just get flagged for delay of game...
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    Re: D.SANDERS and Mariucci say Faulk got the first down !!

    Because they didn't want people challenging every single call.
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    Re: D.SANDERS and Mariucci say Faulk got the first down !!

    Couldnt have said it better... people are goin crazii cause it ended up in a lose... but if they would have made it, bill is the smarest coach and yada yada yada...
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