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  1. mgteich

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    He now seems likely to get a roster spot. Since coming in last year, he has outlasted Thomas and now Crable.
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    I'm not sure whether to celebrate or be disappointed in the fact that this is somehow a good thing. Ninkovich couldn't knock A.D. out of the starting line-up last season and, to be a fair, a fly in the locker room probably could have "outlasted" Crable.
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    lol, just thinking the same thing. The guy's an over-achiever and you gotta love him for that. I loved the way he played when he was out there at LB last year.

    However, on a team with serious championship aspirations, he has no business playing anywhere other than special teams.
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    If there is a silver lining its that Crable will not take up reps in camp pnly to be cut.
    We have candidates at OLB who need the reps, for experience as well as evaluation.
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    --- my feelings exactly

    Ninkovich has had no competition for his roster spot, and last year he couldn't play at the level of Thomas.

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    Will Mackenzie be getting some reps at OLB?
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    It was Ninko's first year on the team and AD is a veteran.

    I wouldn't count him out yet. He hasn't had a full offseason since joining the NFL. I'm not expecting the next Vrabel or McGinest but I think he'll be better than AD was last year (except in coverage)
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    im happy for the guy but all that means is the pats could have the worst OLB's of all the 3-4 teams in the NFL and oakland and the bills just moved to a 3-4 lol
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    I don't know. If Spikes is as good as he has been hyped from minicamp and McKenzie rebounds from injury, I think Guyton could be a surprise contender for a starting position outside. He certainly has the speed. Although he is a bit small, he is around the same height and weight as Colvin was.
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    the TV series Joey had more lasting power than crable
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    I posted this idea once and got nailed for even suggesting it. I think the team is foolish not to try any reasonable possible combination at least in the preseason.
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    They did try him there and he was terrible. Speed is not that important for OLBs compared to strength and the ability to shed blocks. Neither McGinest or Vrabel were very fast.
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    I'm suggesting they try again now that he has a bit more experience in the NFL, granted as an inside LB. If he stinks at OLB in the preseason, that's where the experiment ends.
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    He doesn't play with enough lead in his ass. If the Patriots were playing an attacking style like the Steelers, he'd make more sense on the outside. In the Patriots version of the 3-4, putting Guyton on the outside is essentially giving the opponent first downs on the ground anytime they can get outside the DE.
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    I expect the team will be keeping a sharp eye on the cuts lists for this position, don't you?
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    His first year on the team doesn't really make any difference. If Ninkovich had it, he would have supplanted AD in the starting line-up.
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    I agree with this.
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    I tend to agree with the logic that you dont get better by losing your starter and elevating the backup that couldnt beat him out.
    But in this case, I think there are other considerations too.
    Thomas had a history of playing well here. He was a known quantity who just failed to come close to his level of play. Ninkovich was a newbie still learning the system. While Afailius was Afailing, there was still the puzzle o why and wheter he could get it back. Nincovich would have had to be clearly dramatically better to 'beat him out'.
    That doesnt mean that he would have played better than AD, just that its not ironclad that he was on an even playing field or should have been.

    Overall, my take is whoever plays the role Thomas played can't really represent much of a downgrade, if any because the bar is set so low.
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    Assuming the Pats version of the 3-4 goes unchanged from previous years. Sources (like Mike Reiss) say they're doing things a bit differently. We'll see what that means soon enough.
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    It's funny how influenced we are by the expectations we associate with a player's past. People see Ninkovich as a cast-off FA signing so don't expect anything of him; however, had the Patriots drafted him in a fourth or fifth round a few years ago and he had the same career arc, people would now probably be thinking that this year his time had finally come. (Conversely, Maroney & Watson are NFL starters but are considered bums by many because they were drafted in the first round.)

    I'm far, far from a pro scout, but when I saw RN play OLB last year, he looked like he belonged on the field to me.

    He was my surprise Week 1 starter even before the Crable cut, and I don't think that's a terrible thing.
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    I think this is unfair. AD just played well enough to keep Nink from starting.
    AD should have been ALOT better than Ninkovich considering his salary but he was only good enough to beat out a 2nd or 3rd year guy who was a fifth round pick. He actually did get a lot more reps toward the end of the season even, IIR, before AD was benched.
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    Premature at best ... doesn't mean a thing as a veteran cut fromn another team amy already be on the radar ... waiting for him to get cut that is.
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    Yeah, it's funny how people's evaluations are so controlled by draft position. There are a lot of folks calling for BJGE to make the team and for Maroney to be cut.

    Thing is, it shouldn't matter where they were or weren't drafted but if Maroney was an UDFA and BJGE was a first round pick, they would be yelling in the other direction.
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    Ugh. This and the Willhite thread. I cannot wait until tomorrow night when we will have something real to talk about.

    I guess that I should not complain; if could be salary talk...
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    Wait, what's our OLB depth chart now? :p
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    Of course, Belichick could bring in someone that will beat out Ninkovich. But then, that is true for the bottom several positions on the roster, probably ten. So, all congratulations include "if Belichick doesn't bring in someone else to take your spot". Isn't it ture that almost anyone at the bottom of the depth chart at a position might be beaten out by a free agent or a player that Belichick trades for?

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    What's not to like? We got the Bratva on defense, the PKWN on offense & special teams, and the head of the VSOA in charge of the whole thing. Who we don't beat we kill. Piece o' cake!
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