Butler is trying to convince Bodden to stay

[SanAngeloState]

Bodden is prob. 50/50. Texans looking for a replacement to Robinson.

If he leaves Butler gets valuable experience and is better than him by year end. Why draft guys at all if you won't play them.

 

[JackBauer]

Re: Butler is trying to convince Bodden to stay.

I think that poster was talking about the 5 INTs, forgetting that three of them came against Mark Sanchez in an awful performance. Who didn't intercept him?

This is a weak argument, one that I see raised frequently to downplay the significance of Bodden's INTs or TBC's sack totals.

Fact is, if you look at pretty much every player who accumulates similar types of stats, they disproportionately come against bottom-tier teams. Just look to the breakdown of Samuel's INTs from last year for corroborating evidence.

 

[yopats]

I see BB going after Phillip Buchanon .. w/ the same kind of deal that Bodden had last year ..

 

[PatsBoy12]

Re: Butler is trying to convince Bodden to stay.

This is a weak argument, one that I see raised frequently to downplay the significance of Bodden's INTs or TBC's sack totals.

Fact is, if you look at pretty much every player who accumulates similar types of stats, they disproportionately come against bottom-tier teams. Just look to the breakdown of Samuel's INTs from last year for corroborating evidence.

My comment was not disrespecting Bodden so much as it was to make fun of Sanchez. Like I've said in multiple posts, I want the guy and I think he's a very good cornerback, especially considering the others that are currently on our roster. I want him in a NE uniform. However, I don't at all believe that he's an elite cornerback. Also, I, like you, have made the same analysis when looking at player statistics, so I totally understand the point that you raised.

 

[PatsBoy12]

I see BB going after Phillip Buchanon .. w/ the same kind of deal that Bodden had last year ..

I certainly don't and I certainly hope not.

 

[lostjumper]

If Bodden goes, that leaves us with Butler and Whilhite as our starting cornerbacks? Ouch...

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

If Bodden goes, that leaves us with Butler and Whilhite as our starting cornerbacks? Ouch...

Per NFLN, this year's draft is the deepest in decades. Based on this analysis, why does this thread assume that having 4 in the top 53 picks would not:

Allow for picks in the second round that is first round talent in other years?

Allow for a trade since another team could get first round talent for second round money?

Satisfy the patsfans.com cry for a passrusher who will make DB's look like superstuds.

Maybe as second and first year players, the CB's might actually improve since rookies do tend to do that otherwise they really wouldn't be rookies.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

I see BB going after Phillip Buchanon .. w/ the same kind of deal that Bodden had last year ..

Then BB would not have learned from his past mistakes with CB's. All the Duane Starks, Deltha O'neals, Fernando Bryant's, Chad Scott's and the list goes on then you finally get one that pans out and you just let him walk so we can try out other run of the mill CBs like Buchanon hoping he fits.

 

[Deus Irae]

Per NFLN, this year's draft is the deepest in decades. Based on this analysis, why does this thread assume that having 4 in the top 53 picks would not:

Allow for picks in the second round that is first round talent in other years?

Allow for a trade since another team could get first round talent for second round money?

Satisfy the patsfans.com cry for a passrusher who will make DB's look like superstuds.

Maybe as second and first year players, the CB's might actually improve since rookies do tend to do that otherwise they really wouldn't be rookies.

Patriots needs for 2010:

WR2
WR3/4 (backup)
TE1
TE2
RB (?)
OG
DE
LOLB
ROLB
ILB
CB2
CB1
P

Pimping 4 picks in 2 rounds when there are arguably 13 starting spots/significant backup spots that need to be filled simply isn't going to appease people who don't want rely on cut players and UFDAs. That's especially true because it's unlikely that the 4 picks in the first two rounds will result in 4 players who are NFL quality starters in the first week of the season.

 

[BritPat]

Just sent Bodden a message on Twitter. Will let you know if he responds.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

Re: Butler is trying to convince Bodden to stay.

This is a weak argument, one that I see raised frequently to downplay the significance of Bodden's INTs or TBC's sack totals.

Fact is, if you look at pretty much every player who accumulates similar types of stats, they disproportionately come against bottom-tier teams. Just look to the breakdown of Samuel's INTs from last year for corroborating evidence.

actually, its a very good argument.......you just don't like it

 

[DonBlackmon55]

Then BB would not have learned from his past mistakes with CB's. All the Duane Starks, Deltha O'neals, Fernando Bryant's, Chad Scott's and the list goes on then you finally get one that pans out and you just let him walk so we can try out other run of the mill CBs like Buchanon hoping he fits.

Add to it the drafted DB busts
Wilhite, Wheatley, Gus Scott, Dexter Reid, Brock Williams, Eugene Wilson

When they pan out, the leave or let go
Asante, Hobbs

 

[tanked_as_usual]

Add to it the drafted DB busts
Wilhite, Wheatley, Gus Scott, Dexter Reid, Brock Williams, Eugene Wilson

When they pan out, the leave or let go
Asante, Hobbs

you can't call what wilhite has done as a 4th rounder a bust

 

[JackBauer]

He also calls Eugene Wilson a bust, which is about as dumb as it gets around here.

 

[captain stone]

Add to it the drafted DB busts:
Wilhite, Wheatley, Gus Scott, Dexter Reid, Brock Williams, Eugene Wilson

When they pan out, they leave or are let go:
Asante, Hobbs

Don't forget Weed Willie Andrews, Mikey Richardson & Christian Morton.

This stupid game of Musical CBs that Bill has played since Ty Law's departure has to stop.

If he can afford to sign TBC, Neal & Kaczur to those above-market contracts, then he can cert. afford to pay Leigh Bodden the money he deserves.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Players that produce at a high-level and contribute during seasons in which a SB was won are not busts. The amount of time that they spend in the organization is irrelevant.

That's like saying Keith Foulke is a bust.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Don't forget Weed Willie Andrews, Mikey Richardson & Christian Morton.

This stupid game of Musical CBs that Bill has played since Ty Law's departure has to stop.

If he can afford to sign TBC, Neal & Kaczur to those above-market contracts, then he can cert. afford to pay Leigh Bodden the money he deserves.

So now we are calling out 7th round draft picks busts?

Andrews was not a bust. He was just "busted"....

 

[upstater1]

Don't forget Weed Willie Andrews, Mikey Richardson & Christian Morton.

This stupid game of Musical CBs that Bill has played since Ty Law's departure has to stop.

If he can afford to sign TBC, Neal & Kaczur to those above-market contracts, then he can cert. afford to pay Leigh Bodden the money he deserves.

WilliE ANDREWS WAS A 7TH ROUNDER.

SOME Dumb stuff here today

 

[DW Toys]

Don't forget Weed Willie Andrews, Mikey Richardson & Christian Morton.

This stupid game of Musical CBs that Bill has played since Ty Law's departure has to stop.

If he can afford to sign TBC, Neal & Kaczur to those above-market contracts, then he can cert. afford to pay Leigh Bodden the money he deserves.

Excellent point sir!!!
DW Toys

 

[yopats]

Then BB would not have learned from his past mistakes with CB's. All the Duane Starks, Deltha O'neals, Fernando Bryant's, Chad Scott's and the list goes on then you finally get one that pans out and you just let him walk so we can try out other run of the mill CBs like Buchanon hoping he fits.

So.. Bodden doesn't count in that group? .. I am not as up-to date w/ reports on Buchanon .. what is the going reports on him? I certainly would think it would not be in the Stark/Oneal/Scott category.. all guys well into there 30's .. Buchanon is 29..