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  1. indycolts685

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    I just started this thread for the fun of it, I figured I would get more intelligent responses here on this board, just wondering how you all would think that Manning or Brady would do playing on such a bad team without having that so called "supporting cast" Do you think either or both could make the dolphins an instant winner by just plugging Manning or Brady into the starting QB job? Now I know this will never happen, just curious what everybody thinks
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    If Ronnie Brown was healthy either would make the Fins offense much better but this was the year when Miami's defense finally got old so neither would make them a winner but they would certainly win more games. Miami has a bunch of close loses I think either of them could account for wins in at least some of those games.
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    Leadership skills are a factor but a top-notch QB with sub-par receivers doesn't mean a thing. If there is no blocking on the O line then how can he look for a receiver? There are many supportive roles that help that QB to make him what he is. A QB cannot carry a team. A RB cannot carry a team. "Teamwork" is a lot more prevalent than some other sports. That is why I respect players like LT that give it up to the support that gives them the opportunity to shine before they praise themselves. So the answer is NO.
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    The Patriots made the AFC Championship Game last year with Reche Caldwell as the leading receiver, so you can't say that a top notch QB with sub-par receivers doesn't mean a thing. The QB is the most important player on any football team, times 5.

    Don't think Brady could make the Dolphins a contender, but they'd win a game now and again.

    And what does LT have to do with this? Every football player since Red F*ckin Grange has praised his teammates for their success.
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    We have seen what brady is capable of doing without star WR's... Manning is "?" right now.
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    Right now the Dolphins defense couldn't stop El Tuna High.

    We are on our 4th and 5th string safties, Zach Thomas has been beat up all year, and there is no depth on the line and that's never a good thing when your line is full of 35 year olds.

    That said, the offense is really progressing. Quarterback play was killing us early in the year and ROnnie Brown was keeping us in games. If we had Brown, Bell and Thomas for all of our games so far we'd be at least 3-5. Against the Jets and Raiders Bell and Thomas would've helped our run defense big time while against the Giants in London having Ronnie Brown would've easily given us the win.

    With that said, if we had Manning/Brady and Brown, we'd be at least 4-4 right now. Chris Chambers would still be a Dolphin and would be in the top 5 in catches, yards and TDs with one of those QBs.
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    if the dolphins had brady they would be outscoring teams 57-7 every week.

    If Aqua was a decent person he'd be paying charities instead of ripping them off.
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    Brady's a great qb and all, but hes not the only reason the Pats are blowing guys out.
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    Everything, everything starts with the QB on offense. Yes he needs help, but without a solid QB nothing works...Look at Cleveland this year.
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    lol Frye was the starter for about a half of a game. Theres no way to tell that the Browns would be any worse had he been the starter all along, when the Browns put Anderson in against the steelers, he really didn't do anything special. Btw the last time that I checked, everything starts with the offensive line, alot of qb's can be made to look good if they are given plenty of time to throw.
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    Look, I'd have Brady's baby at this point :singing: , but........... even I would have to say that he would only be limited help to the Doofin's this year. Manning, even less so.

    The are in serious flux, and I actually love it.
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    I think our o-line is finally getting good, Brady is actually getting a couple of extra seconds back there. :cool:
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    He was healthy the first few games until they played NE... Didn't help them too much.

    Either QB would be good, not to say that Lemon is a horrible qb.. But having a DEF that can't do squat is whats hurting their team. They are like a less potent version of the bengals...
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    Thats what I thought, I have no idea how good the OL is of the dolphins, I only used them for my example because they appear to be the worst team in the league at this point based on there record, and was wondering if anybody felt it was possible to have a QB the caliber of Brady or Manning make a huge impact on a team like that. I don't think the dolphins would be undefeated or anything but I think both Brady and Manning make average receivers better as they both demand excellence, I think what Aqua4Ever04 said is a pretty fair assesment that they could be 4-4...I know this thread is kind of pointless and appreciate the good replies, I just might have to try and sim some seasons in Madden and see what happens although im sure it won't be a very accurate simulation..
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    I think the offensive line is more important. Look at Tennessee, you can't play a whole lot worse then Vince Young is playing at the Titans are 6-2.
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    Well sure you can play a whole lot worse than VY. It's called being a Miami Doofins QB.
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    Vince averages an INT and a fumble per game in his career and the offense is currently scoring under 20, Young is terrible.
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    ummmm so is your win loss record. 6-2 vs 0-8. i would take a stinky winning qb vs you. pahahahaha.
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    Yeah, avoid the topic, good job.

    Can't debate someone's record, the Fins are 0-8, I know that. If you feel the need to keep saying it you're pathetic. Please, refute the Vince Young argument or shutup.
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    pay your lost bets you piece of sh-t
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    I didn't avoid the topic whatsoever. In fact, retard, my point is very strong. While VY may be having some growing pains getting used to the league as it his 2nd year, he has a good team supporting him and helping win games. 6-2 is an excellent record.

    You are tring to set an expectation of a 2nd year QB to be a Hall of Famer or something. The guy obviously is a great talent and has won some huge games on his raw skill. Just because he isn't a superstar right not doesn't matter. If the Titans are 6-2 (not 0-8) and Young has struggled, the Titans are in a good position for making a playoff shot. Theoretically Young will get better with more and more game play.

    Maybe you do not know this, but it takes a team to win a SB, a TEAM. This is easily demonstrated with recent events. Tom Brady was no superstar when he took over for Bledsoe. He was smart and didn't make mistakes. The TEAM came around him and supported him. Brady responded and led them to a championship. Take Brady or the team away and neither wins.

    Trent Dilfer won a SB and was no great QB. His TEAM was great. Same with Brad Johnson.

    Ben Rothlisburger has the worst SB QB rating in history, yet his team played well, supported him, and he did enough to win.

    Do you need more? For some reason, Miami thinks if they find the next Marino then the will win the SB. This is a foolish idea. It takes a full team. While it is a comfort to have a Hall of Fame QB like Brady, there are other ways to win championships. It is a team game, and something you will never understand.S

    So you retard, shut up.
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    Actually, you're wrong about the Phins record. :)
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    oh ya, lost a barn burner to the bills 47-46. ok, maybe it was a snoozer 13-10.
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    Hey Fish Idiot. Can't debate facts can you.
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    First off, have you ever heard the term, politically correct? Calling me retarded doesn't enhance your argument; it just makes you look stupid and discredits your position.

    If you think the Titans are winning because of Vince Young, you have no idea what you're talking about and there's no point debating that issue. It is what it is; Vince Young is terrible.

    I haven't seen him progress at all but rather regress. Combine his INTs and fumbles and it nearly equals 40. That's double the games he has played in his career which means he is turning it over or giving the opportunity for a turnover 2 times per game.

    Yeah, no kidding it takes a team, what do you think is carrying Young to a 6-3 record? HIS TEAM! Stop trying to give credit to a QB when he hasn't done a damn thing and his defense is making all these mainstream media outlets lead morons like you to believe it's all because of VY. Watch him play, watch him turn the ball over, watch him miss open receivers, then try to judge him. Evaluating a QB by his team's record is the biggest misconception in the NFL.

    If a QB was judged by wins and losses, why is Rex Grossman now a backup just 8 months after he was in a Super Bowl?

    All you're doing is proving my point. I think Vince sucks and the Titans are winning inspite of him.

    I noticed you continue to tell me to shut up, call me retard, and various other attempts to attack me but again, you've just discredited your already extremely weak argument.
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    excellent post .you have owned aqua as usual.
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    Whoaaaaaaaaaa excuse you??? You start the insults in this thread and tell me to shut up, but can't take it when it gets turned in your face? Wow, what a sorry ass losing retard you are. Oh no, i discredited myself in front on the most idiotic poster behind NEM. My image pains me so.

    Where the heck did I say that the Titans are winning becasue of Young? Can you even read retard? When did I give Young credit? Try reading what I posted instead of making things up as you usually do. Try looking at the TEAM concept I explained.

    Now let me address your lack of football knowledge. Who is Vince Young? The Titans drafted him to be their QB of the future. He is a second year QB. He has been fighting injuries this year. He has excellent raw skill in arm strength, fairly good accuracy, and speed.

    I am going to state this again because you seem to reaaly be slow at getting it. Young is a second year QB!!!! How many 2nd year QBs rip up the league??? He is not a HOFfer, yet any coach in the league, ANY COACH IN THE LEAGUE, ALL 32 COACHES IN THE LEAGUE, WOULD TAKE HIM OVER ANY QB THE DOOFINS HAVE ON THEIR ROSTER. BANK ON IT RETARD.

    Lol about your Rex theory. Why did Rex get pulled? Not because of his win loss record. That is such an idiotic idea. Rex got pulled because he was given every chance to succeed over a period of years, didn't show consistency, and started losing games. Young is in his second freaking year. The Rex project is over. The Bears will move on after this season. It isn't even closein comparison. Rex was never drafted as the #1 Round pick franchise QB.

    It is so ironic that an idiot fan of a 0-9 team says someone else sucks.
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    never i mean never ever talk football with aqua .its a total waste of time .
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    Well you were arguing against me and my point is that Young is the worst starting QB in the NFL so what else would you be *****ing about?

    NO **** IT'S A TEAM CONCEPT? WHAT DO YOU THINK I'M ARGUING?

    If you think Vince Young has good accuracy you are the worst talent evaluator of all time. All Vince does is look at his #1 receiver and if he's not wide open he takes off. Recently, he has learned that can't always work and since he has no idea how to check down or go through progressions he usually makes the wrong decision or forces the pass and that's why he has so many picks.

    Okay, he's a 2nd year QB, but he's terrible. Jay Cutler looks light years ahead of Vince, Trent Edwards looks better then Vince. If you put any of these youngsters on that Tennessee team, they are no worse then 6-3 either.
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    "Do you need more? For some reason, Miami thinks if they find the next Marino then the will win the SB. This is a foolish idea. It takes a full team. While it is a comfort to have a Hall of Fame QB like Brady, there are other ways to win championships. It is a team game, and something you will never understand."


    Actually, they couldn't win one with the real Marino, either. Why would a new one change things?
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