PatsFans.com Menu
PatsFans.com - The Hub For New England Patriots Fans

Brady and Moss are UFA after 2010 so...


THE HUB FOR PATRIOTS FANS SINCE 2000

MORE PINNED POSTS:
Avatar
Replies:
312
Very sad news: RIP Joker
Avatar
Replies:
316
OT: Bad news - "it" is back...
Avatar
Replies:
234
2023/2024 Patriots Roster Transaction Thread
Avatar
Replies:
49
Asking for your support
 

What would you do with Brady and Moss

  • Trade them both after 2010, I'm pissed.

    Votes: 8 6.7%
  • Keep Brady, Trade Moss. WR don't last forever.

    Votes: 36 30.0%
  • Keep Moss, Trade Brady.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Keep them both, let the offense play it out.

    Votes: 76 63.3%

  • Total voters
    120
Status
Not open for further replies.
Keep them both, just because Brady hasn't quite lived up to the standards we expect of him This year doesn't mean we should let him walk thats insane. Moss ....keep him as well its not Moss's fault that the OC thinks only he and Welker exist as offensive weapons. Brady needs to go back to the days of hitting the open reciever, when seven or eight guys fron the RB to the TE to the WR's got the ball thrown to them.
 
Last edited:
You say that it's not Moss's fault that the OC thinks that only he and Welker exist as offensive weapons. Are you sure of that?

BTW, I strongly agree that seven or eight receivers should be involved in the passing game every week, especially including both tight end and at least two running backs.

Keep them both, just because Brady hasn't quite lived up to the standards we expect of him This year doesn't mean we should let him walk thats insane. Moss ....keep him as well its not Moss's fault that the OC thinks only he and Welker exist as offensive weapons. Brady needs to go back to the days of hitting the open reciever, when seven or eight guys fron the RB to the TE to the WR's got the ball thrown to them.
 
I love Moss. The guy is a gamebreaker. He is the best deep ball threat in the game and has amazing hands. I think the problem with Moss this year is that we aren't using him enough in the short - intermediate passing game.

When Moss came here, he had a reputation for only running one route - the fly route - and was a little timid when going over the middle. However, in his first season here, McDaniels and BB had him short and intermediate routes over the middle. This season, it seems like we exclusively run Welker underneath (except for a few plays) and exclusively just send Moss deep. You think back to 2007, yes the Pats did go long to Moss a lot which was set up by the dinking and dunking, but he was also used over the middle in the red zone and throughout drives. The one handed catch over the middle vs Indy, the catches in the back of the end zone vs Dallas and Cincy, etc. We also used him on more jump balls in the end zone. Even in 2008 with Cassel where the deep ball was somewhat limited at first, we used Randy on some screen plays. For example the screen vs Arizona in the snow which he took to the house. Moss' two greatest assets are his speed and his hands. I don't get why we don't just try to get him the ball on a "Welker" route and let him go to work with the ball in his hands. Throw him a screen pass and get decent blocking, the man is gone. He can still fly and has great vision. Everytime we seem to be connecting with Moss it is on a deep ball.

Randy might not like going over the middle, but he's a professional and he would do it. As Phil Simms says, we are one of the best screen teams in the NFL. Why not throw some to Moss, who probably has the best potential out of anyway to break it for a TD? We really miss McDaniels. He had his finger on the pulse of this offense.

As for the question, Brady is undoubtedly back IMO unless something drastic happens. I think Moss will be back if he is looking for a ring and not a final big fat contract. I think he will want to stay here with Brady and Belichick b.c he respects their desire to win and wants to be a part of it. As long as he keeps working hard and producing, I don't see any reason why BB wouldn't want to retain him, especially if we get a guy like Green, Jones, Floyd, or Baldwin. Having Moss as a mentor/tutor take a guy with the type of talent those prospects have would be fantastic. Moss, Green, Welker, Tate is my dream WR corps for 2011. I'd also like to see Patrick Peterson in our secondary.
 
Brady and Moss are both among the best at what they do. I dunno why we'd get rid of them.
 
Is this a serious question? Why not ask if we should trade Welker too?
 
you know who i would love to have here right now? Jabar Gaffney. He was a very good #3 move the chains guy that Brady seemed to have really good chemistry with.
 
Why is everyone so shocked at the suggestion of trading Brady? Seriously, he's just one man. The success of Cassel proves that more than one man can throw passes for the Patriots, and probably for less than the $20m it will take to sign Brady.

I don't look at Brady and see memories of Super Bowls or 50 touchdown seasons. I'll look at a 32 year-old player who'll take a fortune to resign and who's best years are probably behind him, even if he can keep playing well in the NFL for another 3-5 years.

Think about what Jay Cutler fetched on the trade market -- two firsts, a third, and a quality starter in Kyle Orton. Brady will command MORE than that package. It will be a king's ransom.

The vote is 2 to 39 in favor of keeping Tom Brady. I don't think it's nearly that obvious.
 
The real question is finding his replacement. If Montana could be replaced by Young, than Brady can be replaced by someone else. It's both REAL and POSSIBLE. Deal with it.
 
Brady has a few years of his prime left in the tank. While stats don't tell the whole story, he's completing 65 percent of his passes and is on pace for a 4,800 yard, 28-30TD season. The problem isn't the offense. It's the defense.

The offense always looks better than it really is when a team's defense is clicking...look at the Saints. They always put up points, but now they're making the stops.

I think the day Brady hangs it up, Belichick retires. He knows he's only as good as number 12. The Cassel thing was a fluke based on easy playcalling, an easy schedule with the NFC west, and they still didn't make the playoffs.
 
Last edited:
Brady has a few years of his prime left in the tank. While stats don't tell the whole story, he's completing 65 percent of his passes and is on pace for a 4,800 yard, 28-30TD season. The problem isn't the offense. It's the defense.

The offense always looks better than it really is when a team's defense is clicking...look at the Saints. They always put up points, but now they're making the stops.

I think the day Brady hangs it up, Belichick retires. He knows he's only as good as number 12. The Cassel thing was a fluke based on easy playcalling, an easy schedule with the NFC west, and they still didn't make the playoffs.
The problems are a combination of offense, defense and god awful coverage on special teams.
 
Brady has a few years of his prime left in the tank. While stats don't tell the whole story, he's completing 65 percent of his passes and is on pace for a 4,800 yard, 28-30TD season. The problem isn't the offense. It's the defense.

Although his numbers might look good, he's being a little boneheaded. I know he's not perfect, nobody is, but Tommy is doing things now that he didnt do between 2001-2006. Yes, the defense is a work in progress, but the offense needs some work too.

1. What happened to throwing to TEs?
2. Why throw to Moss in double coverage 60 yards down the field, all the time. Can he not run another route anymore? Is no one else open?
3. How is a nobody football fan, like me, able to predict what damn play is coming?
4. For Christs sake, RUN THE BALL!!!!
5. Is our kicker dead or something? Kick the damn field goal! Its like they've become so ****y, that they think they can make any 4th down. So now they're not even kicking FGs anymore. You have to have more points than the other team to win. So why take points off the board?

Crap, im out of koolaid :mad:
 
Keep Moss as long as possible. Tate has had 2 serious knee injuries in just over one year. I sure as hell wouldn't bet the farm on him staying healthy for any extended period of time.
 
Brady has a few years of his prime left in the tank. While stats don't tell the whole story, he's completing 65 percent of his passes and is on pace for a 4,800 yard, 28-30TD season. The problem isn't the offense. It's the defense.

The offense always looks better than it really is when a team's defense is clicking...look at the Saints. They always put up points, but now they're making the stops.

I think the day Brady hangs it up, Belichick retires. He knows he's only as good as number 12. The Cassel thing was a fluke based on easy playcalling, an easy schedule with the NFC west, and they still didn't make the playoffs.

The problem isn't the offense? What games have you been watching. The Colts, Broncos and Dolphins losses all had one common factor -- offensive meltdowns late in the game that handed the ball back to the opponent who found the points they needed. Not saying the defense doesn't blow, it clearly does, but there's no side of the ball that can go without blame. We knew the defense would struggle I think what's been so surprising this year is just how ****ty the offense is when it's nut cuttin time (late in games).
 
You say that it's not Moss's fault that the OC thinks that only he and Welker exist as offensive weapons. Are you sure of that?

BTW, I strongly agree that seven or eight receivers should be involved in the passing game every week, especially including both tight end and at least two running backs.
Ok, it SEEMS there are stretches that the only two the OC thinks of any longer are Moss and Welker as far as the passing game goes. Yeah once in a while someone else is involved but not like it once was or should be.
 
Last edited:
Why would Moss cost $10 million a year which would be a raise from his 9M APY??

Why would Brady cost $20 million a year???
They were just easy round numbers - I think your links suggest that they'll be around that in two years with salaries generally going up although we're headed into a bit of an unknown right now.
 
Keep Moss as long as possible. Tate has had 2 serious knee injuries in just over one year. I sure as hell wouldn't bet the farm on him staying healthy for any extended period of time.

We don't know that it was a "serious knee injury" he suffered. All we know is that whatever happened to him, (A) he was still on the sidelines of that game, and (B) the Pats felt it wasn't worth the risk of having him play more.
 
The problem isn't the offense? What games have you been watching. The Colts, Broncos and Dolphins losses all had one common factor -- offensive meltdowns late in the game that handed the ball back to the opponent who found the points they needed. Not saying the defense doesn't blow, it clearly does, but there's no side of the ball that can go without blame. We knew the defense would struggle I think what's been so surprising this year is just how ****ty the offense is when it's nut cuttin time (late in games).

After yesterday's game (with the deep bomb to Moss), it's as if BOB doesn't even understand the concept of a clock-killing drive.
 
We don't know that it was a "serious knee injury" he suffered. All we know is that whatever happened to him, (A) he was still on the sidelines of that game, and (B) the Pats felt it wasn't worth the risk of having him play more.
Reiss had been getting the feeling it was a ligament issue in the other knee. Whether it was an ACL or MCL, who knows. I'd guess a badly sprained or torn MCL would have still IRed him given what was left in the season and his inexperience (we would have waited out Welker or Moss but not Tate for 4-6 weeks).
 
Re: Brady and Moss are UFA after 2010 so . . .

I am shocked at how many get rid of TFB posts are on here. He is a special quarterback. You do not get rid of guys like him.

Moss you can deal without though and use that money for some help on D. Leadership not just talent is what you need on that side of the ball.

You have a good young secondary and a very good D line, you need a pass rush specialist. TBC isn't the answer.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.


MORSE: Patriots QB Drake Maye Analysis and What to Expect in Round 2 and 3
Five Patriots/NFL Thoughts Following Night One of the 2024 NFL Draft
Friday Patriots Notebook 4/26: News and Notes
TRANSCRIPT: Patriots QB Drake Maye Conference Call
Patriots Now Have to Get to Work After Taking Maye
TRANSCRIPT: Eliot Wolf and Jerod Mayo After Patriots Take Drake Maye
Thursday Patriots Notebook 4/25: News and Notes
Patriots Kraft ‘Involved’ In Decision Making?  Zolak Says That’s Not the Case
MORSE: Final First Round Patriots Mock Draft
Slow Starts: Stark Contrast as Patriots Ponder Which Top QB To Draft
Back
Top