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    classic........
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    A very rare glimpse into how BB really works. Really enjoyed reading that.
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    Jackie is good, what is the deal? She seems to be at the same level, why is she not going up the ladder?

    She really does her work before writing and I love that. When reading her articles, she brings the people to life. You can almost see their faces talking to her. I loved the bit about Vrabel. I never quite appreciated how he might have felt after the trade. Now I know very well. Damn, BB can be cold, I am not cut for this type of business.
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    That really was one of the most insightful things ever to appear at ESPN concerning BB. He has to be riding them hard this week, too. His cheerful demeanor at the podium yesterday belies a cold steely perfectionist, slowly moving his troops into position to charge toward the mountaintop.
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    Good stuff
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    That was a nice read. Maybe jackie mac has taken a page out of BB's book and reads her Assante Samuel, "Get Paid" column to herself once a week. :D

    In the first segment of the story, was she actually there in the film room? watching Ihedigbo's reaction? or is that just a writing technique to draw me in?
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    excellent read, thank you for posting.
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    That was great, and the comments from Vrabel were really interesting. It's good to hear that he no longer takes issue with the trade to KC. I would love to see him here as a defensive coach.
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    Best thing I've read from here in a long time. Just sent it to my boss, and then thought maybe that wasn't the best idea I've had today :D
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    Do you think BB could but too much pressure on players not to be the one to repeat a mistake?
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    Agreed, very interesting stuff from Vrabel.

    That they didn't talk for 2 years was a little surprising. He was obviously hurt by the move. I'm glad they were able to move past it.
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    Not at all, there are teams that still have a 'star system' culture that takes the pressure and accountability out of the equation.
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    one of the best articles of the last decade:cool:
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    Yes but I think that's what BB wants. He wants a team that is just as mentally tough as they are physically.

    There is footage of BB miked up I think it was back in 2009, when they were playing against the Saints. BB was talking to Tom on the sideline and made a comment about how he can't get these players mentally tough. Faulk made a comment about it after the famous 4th and 2 against Indy.

    This is a tactic to weed out the players that can't handle the mental aspect of situational football. If you are mentally tough, you can handle the criticisms, identify your weaknesses, and work on them to improve yourself. You do you think that players from the Pats go elsewhere and the majority of them aren't as successful as they were when they played for the Pats? I think this plays a major part in that.
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    That's just literary license to draw you in, as you say. Of course she was not there. She is just reconstructing the situation based on her interviews.
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    Yeah. I never got the KC trade of Vrabel. I'm glad he's over it.

    As for Vrabel in the NFL, I don't think he'll jump to the NFL unless his best friend, Luke Fickell is still a coach for Ohio State.

    Not sure if he sold his home in Mass but he has a home in Powell, Ohio (could be Dublin, Ohio too...not sure).
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    My favourite quote ....
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    I see 2 different cultures in the NFL: The team that listens to its head coach and the team that listens to fans and media. Almost always, the latter will almost never be successful in the long term.
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    As much as I loved and cracked up at so many of those stories hearing that BB and Vrabel are on good terms was the best part of the article for me. As Vince once said (paraphrasing) I don't know how you trade Mike Vrabel, who's more Patriot way than Mike? Of all the other trades, releases or no new contract situations that's the one that bothered me. I would LOVE it if they brought him back here to coach.
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    Some of the quotes were made up then. I guess I'm ok with that. I was entertained by the story.
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    Five star article. Epic.

    Did Jackie Mac write the Ninkovich article from a couple weeks ago too?
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    I don't necessarily agree with humiliation and degradation as a motivational technique, but I will say I can see how it helps build the team, because...

    1) Nobody (especially Brady, but also including other vets) is off limits

    2) The huge ego/me-first guys get upset, then get weeded out

    Make no mistake, this humiliation tactic is a big part of what makes the team successful.
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    Sure felt to me like the Pats just gave Vrabel away.
    It shouldn't still bug me, but it does.

    Can't imagine how long term Colt fans feel right now.
    Thinking that unthinkable thought about our hero forces me to
    appreciate this, right now.

    These are some great days, legendary.
    In a real sense, what they have already done puts them in a class of one
    in the modern game. Comparable to the best, from any era, as it stands right now.

    We still itch about missed chances.
    2006, the game that shall not be mentioned,
    almosts in '09, '10,
    yet here we go, BB and B in Number Five.
    Fifth Super Bowl.

    The incredibly horrid Super Bowl Rap tune on another thread reminded me of
    the unspeakably horrid 1985 experience, a video, an incredibly lame Patriot answer.

    We have come a very long way.
    I am not just happy to be here, don't misunderstand.
    There is an element of Cannot Lose This Game to this.

    This is History people, get it done.

    But I do appreciate the ride, being here.

    The kind of insight Jackie offers here is too rare.
    She too has come a long way, become a valued, terrific contributor.
    Was given about as much respect and chance as our team, in the beginning.

    A great ride, all around.
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    Great article.

    You have to stay committed to getting better as a Patriot. There is no such thing as "has arrived" in this organization. If Tom Brady is still being called out in meetings....well then.

    The Vrabel trade happened because it was best for the team. Belichick put Vrabel in the best possible place for him to finish his career--instead of cutting him.

    I'm glad in hindsight Vrabel understood. Players get older and slower, at some point you have to move on, no matter how much you love the 'person'.

    In the book War Room, Bruschi talked about how he knew his career was winding down when he would study film and noticed he wasn't getting to the spot as quick anymore.

    I'm glad BB notices it and makes the neccessary changes to keep the team competitive.
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    I liked the article, but he most interesting part to me was how his relationship with Vrabel disintegrated after the trade. I had always wondered why Vrabel was never part of things like the beginning of the Baltimore game when a lot of the old-timers were named honorary captains. It always seemed strange to me that one of the key players in all of those championship years was never part of anything, and I guess I just got my answer.

    I am very happy that they've repaired their relationship and Vrabel now understands what happened. That made me feel good (sorry to be such a sap). I love it because Vrabel is still one of my favorite all-time Patriots. I guess that's why I have such a soft spot for Ninko, who reminds me so much of the old #50.
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    What an insightful and well-written article.

    I have no doubt that the way Coach Belichick does his critiques was influenced from his time around the Naval Academy. His breaking down film and emphasizing these mistakes is exactly the way I remember being debriefed after missions while in the Navy. Aircrew were and are coldly brutal in the debrief, because a mistake can get someone killed. They're also the closest of friends and will give a shipmate the shirt off their back if he needs it. But in a debrief, if you messed up somewhere, you are going to hear about it and quite possibly see it again and again as an example of what not to do.

    It's the same in ward room of surface ships and submarines after an exercise. No one is spared from the skipper on down. It has to be that way.

    Now, football isn't a matter of actual life or death, but folks do get hurt and if it happens because of a mistake, then that just compounds things. It's also a cold & brutal game and facts are facts. I think that New England is fortunate to have someone who understands this form of teaching and motivation. Like I said, his time around his father at the Naval Academy was a huge influence on his ability to break down film, scout players and teams, and see how things are done. I can see glimpses of my own experiences in the stories his players.
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