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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Wouldn't the best case scenario be that the person who's actually on top of the Patriots' draft board falls to them? My guess is that's Chris Long, but obviously I can't say for sure.
I think that if there's a great trade to be made, you make it, but otherwise I don't see the harm in actually using the pick (especially if Gholston doesn't go to the Jets).
Wouldn't the best case scenario be that the person who's actually on top of the Patriots' draft board falls to them? My guess is that's Chris Long, but obviously I can't say for sure.
I think that if there's a great trade to be made, you make it, but otherwise I don't see the harm in actually using the pick (especially if Gholston doesn't go to the Jets).
Wouldn't the Jets be more likely to trade back from number 6? Especially since they can convince another team that there's at least a snowball's chance that they would consider taking Ryan?
Unless the Jets fall in love with someone, Gholston or whoever, IMO they would be just as likely to trade down so someone else could take Ryan. And they have first crack.
I think he would attract the most attention from teams trying to trade up to 7. Ideally Pats could trade back into the Teens, and have their pick of defensive players.
If Dorsey or Mcfadden fall to 7 i also think they could garner similar attention.
Except you can't pull that #@#% if the other team believes you might take the player; if the JEST want Ryan, why would they trade out if he's still available?
If a team thought the JEST might take Ryan, they'd try to trade up to #5.
ALP said:i think best case is macfadden...
alvinnf said:Even if hes gone someone is probably willing to try to move up in front of Balt for Brohm. Balt has to be thinking QB.
What would likely happen is that Baltimore (if they really like Ryan) would swap picks with the Jets. The Jets aren't going to draft Ryan, but Baltimore knows that New England is probably shopping the pick and there are teams that could leapfrog ahead of Baltimore at 8 and snatch Ryan from underneath them.
I'd actually rather see the Pats draft Ryan over McFadden if those are their options, and trading down is impossible. Ryan will definitely have trade value this year and next year at this time. You can't say the same about McFadden.
Of course, there's the matter of a big cap hit for a backup QB.....
The only risk here, though, is that the JEST then risk having the Pats draft the player they most want.
As I have said numerous times, it is exceedingly difficult to trade a rookie. The team to which he's traded would have to find a way to fit him into their rookie cap, without getting the benefit of the cap room associated with the large pick. And if they want to hang on to their own first-round pick, a team might have to jettison half their draft class, if not more, to fit that pick in. That's why this scenario just doesn't happen.
as I'm fairly certain traded players with contracts don't have to fit under the rookie cap (in other words, the rookie salary cap is for signing your rookies. It doesn't preclude you from trading for another one that was accounted for under another team's salary cap).
In the event that a Draft selection is assigned to another Club prior to completion of the Draft, the amount of the Formula Allotment for such selection shall be assigned to the Club receiving the selection under the assignment. A Club may not assign the exclusive negotiating rights to a Drafted Player to another Club if such New Club does not have Room under its Rookie Allocation equal to at least the original Formula Allotment for the player, unless the player consents to such assignment.
He wouldn't be able to be traded before he was signed, for the reasons you mention, but after all the rookies are signed, there would be no obstacle in trading him --
Is this true? What about the Manning/Rivers draft day trade? Surely neither of those players were signed on the day of the draft when the trade went down.
I don't think that's the case. For example:
What would likely happen is that Baltimore (if they really like Ryan) would swap picks with the Jets. The Jets aren't going to draft Ryan, but Baltimore knows that New England is probably shopping the pick and there are teams that could leapfrog ahead of Baltimore at 8 and snatch Ryan from underneath them.
In fact, if Atlanta passes on Ryan at 3, I think this is a very likely scenario.
That paragraph mentions "negotiating rights", which means it applies to unsigned draft picks.
That's the point I've been trying to make--if you trade the pick, the allotment for that pick goes to the team that uses the pick. If you try to trade a player after you've picked him, the allotment does not transfer, and you can't transfer the rights to that player unless the other team can afford the allotment (they know what it is, but the CBA specifically prohibits the NFL and the NFLPA from publicizing the values).
And, I might add, the rookie cap is for drafted rookies that are drafted by a particular team, received in trade from another team, or signed off waivers from other teams. UDFAs and rookies who clear waivers don't count towards that cap.
What would likely happen is that Baltimore (if they really like Ryan) would swap picks with the Jets. The Jets aren't going to draft Ryan, but Baltimore knows that New England is probably shopping the pick and there are teams that could leapfrog ahead of Baltimore at 8 and snatch Ryan from underneath them.
In fact, if Atlanta passes on Ryan at 3, I think this is a very likely scenario.
I'd actually rather see the Pats draft Ryan over McFadden if those are their options, and trading down is impossible. Ryan will definitely have trade value this year and next year at this time. You can't say the same about McFadden.
Of course, there's the matter of a big cap hit for a backup QB.....
Highly unlikely. Baltimore is thinking QB, but they're not going to draft Brohm a round too early to get one. They could try to trade into the latter part of the round, but at least one, probably two, and possibly all three of Brohm, Henne, and Flacco will be there when they draft in the second round (#38), and there's not a lot separating them. The Ravens might well have Flacco rated as their #2 QB.