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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.a lot of people have compared this dynasty to the Yankees recent dynasty. they do seem to fit
First of all, the Bears only won 7 championshps between 1921-46 and I was more of a fan of the Providence Steam Rollers back in those days . I don't remember Snuffy McOld**** but the Rollahs had Twiggy O'Shifty and he could run like the ****ens.I really hate to be the one to rain on this parade because I'm a Celtics fan, but IMO when we say things like this while ignoring some rather important differences it just comes off as homerism. How do you respond when someone says Otto Graham is the greatest QB of all time winning 7 Championships in 10 years when the league had 8 teams? Or bring up the dozen or so CHI championships back in the 30's and 40's. Or say they'd like to see Brady be a QB and a LBer like Snuffy McOldf*** did in 1922.
Nobody takes those arguments seriously from CHI fans and others (for the most part), but then we turn around and sell the same thing because we're Celtic fans.
The NBA had 8 teams when Russell started playing, the NBA was barely more than an intramural league trying to survive and not go bankrupt. Not the sort of league drawing international talent that kids work their whole life to get to. Just based on odds from number of teams it's harder to win 4 today then 8 when Russell played.
Russell was a great no doubt, but trying to compare his championships to the modern day just doesn't fly. Saying he played and coached in his era just makes people dismiss his era.
You mean these guys, right?What Yankees "recent dynasty"?
They've only won one this century.
Bill Russell addressing the Celtics before the 1969 7th game in LA - It's going to be fun to see them get all those balloons out of here one at a time.
I really hate to be the one to rain on this parade because I'm a Celtics fan, but IMO when we say things like this while ignoring some rather important differences it just comes off as homerism. How do you respond when someone says Otto Graham is the greatest QB of all time winning 7 Championships in 10 years when the league had 8 teams? Or bring up the dozen or so CHI championships back in the 30's and 40's. Or say they'd like to see Brady be a QB and a LBer like Snuffy McOldf*** did in 1922.
Nobody takes those arguments seriously from CHI fans and others (for the most part), but then we turn around and sell the same thing because we're Celtic fans.
The NBA had 8 teams when Russell started playing, the NBA was barely more than an intramural league trying to survive and not go bankrupt. Not the sort of league drawing international talent that kids work their whole life to get to. Just based on odds from number of teams it's harder to win 4 today then 8 when Russell played.
Russell was a great no doubt, but trying to compare his championships to the modern day just doesn't fly. Saying he played and coached in his era just makes people dismiss his era.
Bobsyouruncle should watch this video.
1969 alone (forget the other 10 NBA titles, the 2 NCAA's and the Olympic Gold) is the greatest example of a human being WILLING a Championship.
He's obviously more biblical to you, because this sounds like a rant about blasphemy."Saying he played and coached in his era just makes people dismiss his era".
So how many other player/coaches won NBA titles "in his era". Oh yeah, none.
How many BLACK player/coaches won NBA titles "in his era"? Oh yeah, none.
How many black player/coaches were there in ANY major American sport "in his era"? Oh yeah, none.
He also won back to back NCAAs and an Olympic Gold.
11 NBA Titles, 2 NCAA titles, 1 Olympic Gold.
First black head coach in the NBA.
First black head coach in ANY major American sport. (How many social barriers has Brady broken?)
(Do you have ANY understanding of what that meant - - Do you know what he had to battle against - - even to live in the Massachusetts suburbs "in his era"??)
And he won 9 in Wilt's face (or chest, because he was 4 inches shorter).
Bill Russell helped his team beat Chamberlain's teams because Russell studied geometry and angles and put that study into practice on the court. No one before or since played defensive angles and positioning better than Bill Russell. No one studied angles of rebounding better than Bill Russell. He outthought opponents and was the most cerebral player in NBA history.
He is the most prolific Champion in American modern major sports history. And he did it by using his mind.
You are arguing against a BIBLICAL figure.
I didn't dismiss Russell's accomplishments, please don't put words in my mouth.It amazes me that a Celtics fan of any age would try to dismiss the accomplishments of Bill Russell.
There's a thread around here somewhere that provided a great Russell interview from back in the day. I'll have to look around for it some time.
I'm sorry if it bothers anyone, but Russell's Celtics' achievements top them all, in any sport and in any era, by a country mile. I dismiss everyone else.
Wait, what? Is this where we start talking about how all sports other than football are stupid and suck?
Ahhh like no
I like other sports and people here can also. However, in terms of performance, football is a much more complex issue than other sports. Baseball follows as second.
In medicine I like family practice doctors and cardiologists............and can realize there is a difference between lancing a boil and a heart transplant.
1. I couldn't care less if he was the first black coach in any major American sport (and he wasn't) when discussing how great a player he was.
I didn't dismiss Russell's accomplishments, please don't put words in my mouth.
a lot of people have compared this dynasty to the Yankees recent dynasty. they do seem to fit
Yes Shmessy, I was responding to you comparing Brady's 4, to Russell's 11. As if you can just subtract the difference. Would Brady or anyone else winning 11 championships today in a league with over 30 teams and talent from around the world be considered equal to, or greater than Russell's accomplishment? You know the answer. So obviously those championships need context.Post #28:
I really hate to be the one to rain on this parade because I'm a Celtics fan, but IMO when we say things like this while ignoring some rather important differences it just comes off as homerism. How do you respond when someone says Otto Graham is the greatest QB of all time winning 7 Championships in 10 years when the league had 8 teams? Or bring up the dozen or so CHI championships back in the 30's and 40's. Or say they'd like to see Brady be a QB and a LBer like Snuffy McOldf*** did in 1922.
Nobody takes those arguments seriously from CHI fans and others (for the most part), but then we turn around and sell the same thing because we're Celtic fans.
The NBA had 8 teams when Russell started playing, the NBA was barely more than an intramural league trying to survive and not go bankrupt. Not the sort of league drawing international talent that kids work their whole life to get to. Just based on odds from number of teams it's harder to win 4 today then 8 when Russell played.
Russell was a great no doubt, but trying to compare his championships to the modern day just doesn't fly. Saying he played and coached in his era just makes people dismiss his era.
Yes Shmessy, I was responding to you comparing Brady's 4, to Russell's 11. As if you can just subtract the difference. Would Brady or anyone else winning 11 championships today in a league with over 30 teams and talent from around the world be considered equal to, or greater than Russell's accomplishment? You know the answer. So obviously those championships need context.
Basketball is as complex as football is, they're just completely different. In football, every player's job is mapped out for him on every play. In basketball, every coach and player has to react and adjust constantly with every pass or dribble. Each player also has to play offense and defense. But we can agree to disagree on that.
However, using the perceived complexities of football to demean Russell's accomplishments is just silly.