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    I would like to see the team get a veteran backup QB instead of having to rely on Cassell or Guiterrez to play.

    It looks as if 2008 will be the year where teams saw what the Giants did to the Pats OL and may be blitzing more often than ever.

    With that being said,If somehow Brady does get injured on a blitz/sack even if Tom is out only for a quarter or two I would like to see a veteran backup for the first time in several years since Flutie,Huard and Miller were aboard.

    I think of the Veteran QBs out of a job right now,Gus Frerotte may be the best backup of a poor bunch or maybe Chris Simms becomes available if the Bucs cut him with all of thier QBs they have now.

    Are you satisfied with the QB corps we have right now after Brady or are you like me and want a vet ready to take the reigns in case of an emergency?.

    I would trade Cassell to a team for a lower round draft pick say 5th or 6th or maybe a 6th and 7th round pick and grab a vet from what is out there,I think Guiterrez would be my pick to stick around.
     
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    Re: Anyone see a need for a backup veteran QB to grab in Free Agency ?

    Nope.

    Nothing out there better than what we have. Some guys with mostly bad experience and no familiarity with the system doesn't represent an upgrade. I would hope they find another diamond in the rough in the draft, perhaps even one who could sneak onto the PS. I would not trade Cassel unless someone blew my doors off AND I really liked Gutierrez progression.

    Hopefully they will figure out a more consistent way to pass protect and run block, maybe even via talent upgrade, so that our remarkably durable QB <knock on wood> doesn't have to finish the season nursing nagging injuries FOR LIKE THE UMPTEENTH FREAKIN' SEASON IN A ROW!!!

    The mental drain on a guy like Brady who takes his job incredibly seriously is tough enough without getting the snot beat out of you on a fairly regular basis. I know they don't allow a ton of sacks unless we fact the Giants in a Superbowl, but they still allow way too many hits and knock downs, at times inexplicably. Sooner or later that is bound to cost us. It has to STOP.
     
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    Re: Anyone see a need for a backup veteran QB to grab in Free Agency ?

    I'll say it first i guess.

    Randy Moss wants Daunte Culpepper.



    There i said it.
     
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    Re: Anyone see a need for a backup veteran QB to grab in Free Agency ?

    Teams have been blitzing the hell out of Brady for a long time. It rarely results in a victory. It worked in the Super Bowl because the collapse of the offensive line was so complete and rapid. That's not something that'll happen very often.
     
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    Re: Anyone see a need for a backup veteran QB to grab in Free Agency ?

    Dammit, you beat me to it.
     
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    Re: Anyone see a need for a backup veteran QB to grab in Free Agency ?

    It's too bad the Redskins picked Todd Collins back up. It would of been nice to get him and have him finish up his career with his hometown team and perhaps a superbowl ring.....:cool:
     
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    Re: Anyone see a need for a backup veteran QB to grab in Free Agency ?

    Gus Frerotte is AWFUL. And Gruden used to LOVE Chris Simms, yet now he has brought in about 7 QBs ahead of him. That should tell you something.
     
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    Re: Anyone see a need for a backup veteran QB to grab in Free Agency ?

    I'm not 100% satisfied with Cassell and Guiterrez but I would not pick up

    a veteran quarterback. Both our players have some experience with the

    Pats system. A veteran would be starting from scratch. If Brady got

    hurt, Cassell would be inserted and the system modified to suit Matt's

    talents.
     
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    Brunell is the only FA QB out there that wouldn't make me cringe if I had to see him under canter. With all the needs on defense, there's no way he comes to town with the salary he'd demand.
     
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    Chris Simms or Mark Brunell would be the only ones I consider.. Other than that.. stay what we got,and let us pray that Brady is healthy again..
     
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    It would be interesting if they brought in Tim Rattay, who is a FA. Back in 2000 when they were evaluating QB to pick late in the draft, they were said to have narrowed the choices down to Tim Rattay and Tom Brady. They send the late Dick Rehbein, the QB coach at the time, out to work both players out, and he determined that Brady was the guy. How different things would be if he had liked Rattay.

    Rattay is smaller than they usually like in a QB (although they did have Flutie), but his career numbers aren't terrible for a backup. He is supposed to be a smart guy, and would probably come cheap.
     
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    With Flutie and Vinny T, we had backup qb's who could still play decently in a pinch, wanted to come to Boston (either because of BB or fondness of the area), and would play for little money.
    I don't see any vet qb right now who would meet the above 3 criteria; and its not worth spending big bucks on a backup vet.
    And at this point, I think we either have to trust Cassell as a backup , or let him go. There's no point continuing to develop him if we don't think he's an adequate backup
     
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    I completely agree that we need a veteran QB on this team.

    Of course, we never want to think about Tommy Terrific going down with injury, but if it ever came to that, while I wish well for Cassel, I don't think he has it.

    We've seen it time and again the past few seasons where veteran QBs can do well if forced into the starting role, just look at the Redskins last year, or the Eagles with Jeff Garcia the year before.

    I still wouldn't touch Daunte Culpepper though.
     
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    If you think that the Giants beat the Patriots by Blitzing, you weren't watching the SB. The Giants beat the Patriots by sending a 4-5 man rush. That's not blitzing. Blitzing is when you send more men than the O-line can pick-up. Meaning more than 5.

    I don't see the Pats adding a vet QB because I believe that they feel that Cassel could come in if needed.
     
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    Is trent Green available?
     
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    Backups are backups because they don't have IT. Lots of starters don't have IT either in case you haven't noticed.

    Garcia was playing for a starters job. And he was and is being compensated a lot more than Bill wants to spend on a backup. That was why he let Huard go. When you have a durable franchise QB making the big bucks you don't usually overspend on a backup, and the best of those go to teams who will overspend because there is a real shot that they will need them. And they also often go to systems or coaches they have some familiarity with.


    Cassel has been in the system for 3 years and is entering his 4th. That wouldn't have happened unless Bill sees enough in him in practice to believe he has the capacity to run this team reasonably well in a backup role. I know people over react wildly when he enters a game and doesn't throw a TD pass on the first play from scrimage. Backups who come in cold seldom do. Even Brady didn't. Guttierez looks to have some promise too. Part of the reason they are here is to develop - because in a QB starved league there mere continued presence here builds some value. If that value exceeds their value on this roster they will be moved. Until then, unless they regress IN BB's OPINION they will remain.

    And that leaves no room on the roster for a veteran project, which is what anyone else would be. All of them have flaws in their games too or they would be starting. And somethimes it takes longer to rehab a guy with ingrained flaws than it does to deal with a blank slate with some talent and potential upside.

    Don't know if any of you followed Vinny's saga in Carolina last year, but that was all Vinny could bring to the table beyond his name recognition. Doug acknowledged when he left it was because Cassel had passed him on the depth chart and he believed that left us in good hands backup wise. When Garcia's back froze up last season the Bucs season as good as ended weeks shy of even they playoffs. Gruden is living the adage that if you think you have more than one starting QB on the roster, you probably don't have any.

    These guys know what they are doing. Fans on the other hand just want a name, prefereably at every backup position, even if the name has never shown it can win either. The Rattay mentions always make me chuckle. We look at a guy and pass and that means we liked him...He's shown occasional flashes but he's never stuck or beat out even horrendous rookies and aging JAGS. Once he left SF no one has hung onto this guy for more than a few months, and there has to be a reason. He's a FA again and has been one off and on since the end of 2006. If Bill had wanted him here he would have been here. Carr, Joey, Daunte...all these guys have proved to be is losers. Brunnel will still want to have a real shot to start and a deal that reflects that. I think Gruden fried Simms and if he ever gets away from him he will want a shot to start too since that is his only way back if in fact there is one.

    If we have a couple of million left to waste on a veteran backup, I'd just as soon invest it in upgrading the Oline or acquiring a durable blocking TE who can still catch in hopes of keeping the franchise upright.
     
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    Apparently he believes he is...
     
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    funny stuff right there :D
     
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    Has 'The Tuner' cut Glenn (sic) Beck, future All-Pro, yet? I've been away from football for a couple months.
    (Yes, I know what happened in THAT game)
     
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