AFCE contract news: D'Bust signs D'extension

[Synovia]

He's no better than #3 LT in the AFCE.

Hell, just a quick look at the AFC in general:

Thomas
Clady
Long
Gaither
Oher
Light
Roos

Every one of those is better than D'Bust. McNeil may be better, depending upon the season. Vollmer may be better.

But the Jets just gave him an extension as if he's an elite LT. Good work!

No, they're absolutely not. Light isn't even close. Neither is Oher, or Roos. Nor is Gaither. Thomas is, and Clady is in the conversation. Long is a better run blocker but not as good at pass pro as Ferguson.

 

[Rob0729]

Thanks!

So an experienced QB can handle pressures?

An inexperienced one would probably not fare as well and they would turn into hits &/or sacks.

Gotcha!

Ummm.... One of Brady's greatest strengths is holding onto the ball to the last second so the receivers can get open. The greats can do that. The averages and below averages can't. Since Brady, by design many times a game, holds onto the ball an extra second or two and doesn't release it until the defenders are nearly on him, the Pats' o-line are going to give up a lot of pressures. Many of those pressures are on Brady.

 

[Rob0729]

No, they're absolutely not. Light isn't even close. Neither is Oher, or Roos. Nor is Gaither. Thomas is, and Clady is in the conversation. Long is a better run blocker but not as good at pass pro as Ferguson.

Long must really suck at pass blocking because Ferguson is average at best. When the Jets don't throw even 20 times in half their games it makes their pass blocking look much better than it really is.

 

[Kontradiction]

Long must really suck at pass blocking because Ferguson is average at best. When the Jets don't throw even 20 times in half their games it makes their pass blocking look much better than it really is.

On the flip side, when they pass fewer times that the vast majority of teams out there and your starting LT (the guy that just got the huge payday) still gives up more sacks than two other starting LT's in your division, then that really says something.

 

[Rob0729]

On the flip side, when they pass fewer times that the vast majority of teams out there and your starting LT (the guy that just got the huge payday) still gives up more sacks than two other starting LT's in your division, then that really says something.

Especially when the Jets late in the year forced teams to play run almost exclusively because their run to pass ratio was something like 5 or 6 to 1.

 

[Calciumee]

31 pages of an extension of the Jets Suck thread


Lets all get a few things right:

- DF isn't elite, he is ok, but NOT elite!
- Faneca sucks (supposedly)
- The Jest f***ing suck!

 

[Triumph]

If Ferguson was cut and Faneca kept you would be saying the exact opposite today.

Its called the Jersey Sure.

Leon Washington and Thomas Jones are no good now, but Tomlinson the "Sulker" is a Beast. Mark Sanchez, from this day forward will be referred to as the "Appointment."

 

[Calciumee]

Its called the Jersey Sure.

Leon Washington and Thomas Jones are no good now, but Tomlinson the "Sulker" is a Beast.

Jones is past it

And LdT will be the Jest's Dillion Revive his career (as a whiner)

 

[Too_Funny]

Hard to pressure the QB when he takes two steps and hands off the ball most of the game. Brady threw the ball 201 more times than Sanchez did. That's happen when a team doesn't trust their QB to win games (or not to lose games). They don't throw the ball.

Rookie QB's don't throw the ball a lot.

 

[Too_Funny]

Long must really suck at pass blocking because Ferguson is average at best. When the Jets don't throw even 20 times in half their games it makes their pass blocking look much better than it really is.

Stats tell me Brick was a top 10 pass blocking LT.

You watched 19 Jets games last season?

Damn, you watched more Jets games than Pasterisk games.

 

[BSR]

Rookie QB's don't throw the ball a lot.

Of all rookie QBs to have started 15 or more games, Sanchez has the least pass attempts of any of them.

Player Season Finder Query Results | Pro-Football-Reference.com

 

[Ring 6]

Equally fun fact.

He gave up the same amount of pressures as Vollmer & played over 400 more snaps.

He gave up 7 less pressures than Light and played over 500 more snaps.

He was the 4th best rated 16 game starter at LT last season.

Vollmer gave up 1 sack. Ferguson gave up 6 sacks.
Light gave up 2 sacks.
You now want to judge elite LTs as the ones who give up a lot of sacks even though their team rarely passes, because of a few less 'pressures'? That isnt even an official statistic, btw.
Let me guess, we are trusting the great ProFootballFocus now that even admits it is flawed?

 

[Ring 6]

Stats disagree with you.

My eyes disagree with you. The few Jets games you may have tuned in to last season doesn't really mean much to me.

Which stats?

 

[Rob0729]

Stats tell me Brick was a top 10 pass blocking LT.

You watched 19 Jets games last season?

Damn, you watched more Jets games than Pasterisk games.

The Jets were dead last in pass attempts last year. Of course his stats would be very good in term of sacks and pressures. Unless you show me stats based on per pass attempt, the overall season stats mean nothing.

Sixteen teams had at least 150 more pass attempts than the Jets. According to people on this site, Ferguson gave up 6 sacks on 393 attempts. If the Jets passed the median amount of times of the league for the 2010 and he kept the same sacks perattempt average, Ferguson would have given up 8.29 sacks last year. That is why overall stats are deceptive.

 

[Ring 6]

Stats tell me Brick was a top 10 pass blocking LT.

You watched 19 Jets games last season?

Damn, you watched more Jets games than Pasterisk games.

What stats?

 

[BradyFTW!]

Last season, the Pats attempted 592 passes. The Jets attempted 393. No **** the Pats tackles 'give up' more pressures. D'Brick would have to suck terribly (as opposed to being average, which he is) to even be in the same ballpark.

Claiming that a linemen had an elite pass-blocking year when his team didn't even throw 25 times per game is just ******ed.

 

[Ring 6]

Lets get some real stats into the mix here.
ProFootballFocus is the Podunk Press and ProFootballWeekly is the NY Times.
PFW stats come from stats inc, and have been relied upon for decades longer than there was a pro football focus

According to PFW Ferguson allowed
8.0 sacks in 2009
4.0 in 2008
13.25 in 2007
10.5 in 2006

In 2009 he also had 8 penalites for 60 yards which includes 5 false starts and 2 holds.

Matt Light allowed 2 sacks last year and 7.5,6.5,7.5 the prior 3 years in order.

That is 23.5 in 4 years (9.5 in the last 2) compared to 35.75 fior Ferguson (12 in the last 2)
Ferguson has allowed more than 50% more sacks in the past 4 years than Matt Light.

Light also had 2 penalties for 20 yars, 0 false starts and 1 hold.

Jake Long 5 sacks in 09 ad 2.5 in hi 08 rookie year. 1 hold 2 false starts in 09.

Oh and PFW credits Faneca with 6.5 sacks., yup less than DBust.

 

[Ring 6]

Last season, the Pats attempted 592 passes. The Jets attempted 393. No **** the Pats tackles 'give up' more pressures. D'Brick would have to suck terribly (as opposed to being average, which he is) to even be in the same ballpark.

Claiming that a linemen had an elite pass-blocking year when his team didn't even throw 25 times per game is just ******ed.

And Brady was sacked 16 times, Sanchez 26.
If DBust was resigned 'because he will protect Sanchez' and Sanchez was sacked the 10th most frequently of NFL Qbs AND Ferguson was responsible for the most of them, something doesn't compute.

 

[Ring 6]

I dont think it will be easy to find a LT in the entire league that has given up more than 35.75 sacks in the last 4 seaons.

 

[Too_Funny]

Lets get some real stats into the mix here.
ProFootballFocus is the Podunk Press and ProFootballWeekly is the NY Times.
PFW stats come from stats inc, and have been relied upon for decades longer than there was a pro football focus

According to PFW Ferguson allowed
8.0 sacks in 2009
4.0 in 2008
13.25 in 2007
10.5 in 2006

In 2009 he also had 8 penalites for 60 yards which includes 5 false starts and 2 holds.

Matt Light allowed 2 sacks last year and 7.5,6.5,7.5 the prior 3 years in order.

That is 23.5 in 4 years (9.5 in the last 2) compared to 35.75 fior Ferguson (12 in the last 2)
Ferguson has allowed more than 50% more sacks in the past 4 years than Matt Light.

Light also had 2 penalties for 20 yars, 0 false starts and 1 hold.

Jake Long 5 sacks in 09 ad 2.5 in hi 08 rookie year. 1 hold 2 false starts in 09.

Oh and PFW credits Faneca with 6.5 sacks., yup less than DBust.

Link to PFW's analysis of OT's?