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  1. TomBrady'sGoat

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    So I came up with this while browsing Jets Insider. I posted my thoughts, but not a single person responded. They instead only responded to their resident Pats troll, calling him names and blaming him for dragging down their site. The irony was not lost on me.

    Well, since those Jets fans were useless I turn to my PatsFans brethren:

    In a previous thread I predicted the Jets to fall to 7-9 while Miami rises to 9-7. After looking up these stats I found some basis for my earlier prediction.

    What does everyone think? Are the Jets any different, or will they suffer the same fall? Will Miami jump back up to playoff contention? Is NE pretty much guaranteed the division title? Would 3rd place be a successful season for buffalo (I say yes)?
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    I do think the Jesters fall back this year. I just dont see any teams coming up to replace them.

    Buffalo lost too much.
    Miami still doesent have a QB.
    The Jesters schedule and I am sure Penny will get a bruise again so that alone will kill them.
  3. mgcolby

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    To me the Jets are tied to Pennington and his health (which applies to most teams and their starting QB). Think about it with a healthy Pennington they usually win 9 or 10 games without a healthy Pennington they win about 25% of their games.

    So IMO if Chad stays healthy they win 9 or 10 games this season if isn't then I guess we'll find out if Clemens is ready.
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    I like our three-team division.

    Though I'm seeing a very, very bad season for Miami.
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    Simple explanation for what happened:

    You finish last, and next year you play the last place teams.

    You finish second, and next year you play the second-place teams.

    That would make teams who are not truly improving, but merely treading water, bounce up and down in the standings.
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    Biggest problem for the Jets last year was stopping the run. They ranked #24 in the league in rushing yrds allowed and a dismal 27th overall in yards allowed per carry.

    As far as I can tell, they haven't done anything to improve in that area and it will kill them in 2007.

    They also had one of the luckiest seasons in recent NFL history with regard to injuries to starting players. They were unbelievably healthy all last season. That's unlikely to happen two years in a row.
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    I agree that it comes down to Pennington. Every year that he has played the majority of the games they have come in either second or first in the division. Every year that he hasn't they have come in last. So really the question for the Jets next year is can Pennington stay healthy? If I were a Jet fan I would not be very confident that he can.
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    They did draft David Harris who seems to be a pretty good run stopper.
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    Linebacker play against the run wasn't really the issue. It was weakness at the point of attack, particularly defensive tackle.
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    Part of the problem is that they were trying to stuff DeWayne Robertson into the NT position, which he had never played before. I think they need that true stud NT for their defense to become legitimate.
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    I agree. They don't have anybody big enough to play traditional two-gap NT. Those guys aren't readily available out there.

    The other issue is that their defense seems to be poorly structured for the 3-4 in general. I like Vilma as a player but he's not big enough to be a run plugger in the 3-4. Harris's problem seems to be the opposite: Looks like he has the size to play ILB in this scheme but he's not nearly quick enough to cover the middle of the field in passing situations.

    All in all, the Jets defense got by on good fortune last year. One or two injuries to their front 7 and they might be a very bad defense this coming year.
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    Oops...must be a typo..cause you obviously mean buffalo...you know the team that lost it's RB, 2 LB's, and #1 CB, while adding only 2 linemen castoffs and a running back in the draft that would have been a late first round pick a year ago...
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    They also added Posluszny and Wendling.
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    Wait until they have to line up against

    Moss
    Stallworth
    Welker
    Washington
    Watson

    Maroney in the Backfield.....:eek:
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    I already covered Buffalo with the "three team division" comment. Nevermind winning it, Buffalo doesn't even make the AFC East this year.
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    Umm, all that lineup would be good for is a penalty for too many receivers on the field...
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    Not if we have Maroney playing QB.;)
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    There's a penalty for too many recievers on the field?

    The real problem would be that one of those guys would have to play OL.
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    Yeah, I knew I was oversimplifying it, but I couldn't get what I said to flow well otherwise.
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    #12 Jersey

    The "surprise" element that the Jets enjoyed last year is gone. Teams will be ready for them this year, but tI think the Jets will be prepared for that. Mangini saw what happened in 2002 the year after New England won their first SB and I think he's going to do a marvelous job of avoiding that trap.

    However as someone said earlier, Pennington's health is key for the Jets.

    Look for a big year from Brad Smith.
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    i thought they reached a little for wendling, but they were much needed pick-ups. Still, that teamlost A lot of productive vets, and rookies have a habit of not producing fully right away...
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    I think that, when all is said and done, the AFC East will finish out as follows:

    1. New England
    2. Buffalo
    3. Jets
    4. Fins

    MIA will be just that this year (IMHO).... MIA, I believe that they'll have a top ten pick again next year.... Saban just did too much (or not enough, depending) to that team in too short a time.

    NYJ are "doing it right"... rebuilding, gaining strength... .but I don't think Pennington lasts the season... and without Pennington throwing the ball, I just think that the Jets are sunk. If Pennington goes out in weeks 1 - 4, they'll struggle to win 6 games.... even with Pennington, I think that they will have to play better than last year to win 9 games.

    BUFF, I think... will surprise us all. I like what they're doing up there. They are getting rid of the cancers, cutting fan faves to make way for system players, drafting smart, picking up the FAs that they think can help them now and in the future and, in general, just rebuilding correctly. I don't think they have a shot against us... but I do think that they have a shot at being in the wild card hunt in the last quarter of the season (for that sixth spot).... I'd say a lot of teams had better watch out for the Bills this year.... I think they'll surprise some folks.

    Just my thoughts (which are as worthless as any other fans)... but I'm not sure why the Bills get no respect at all.
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    Lets put this to rest - THE BILLS WILL NOT BE BETTER THAN THE JETS!

    The Bills will be lucky if they are not one of the top 5 worst teams this year,The team lost 3 great and VERY important players and although they did well in the draft it will take a few years to regain their strength back as a threat in this division.

    Mark it down - Bills LAST in the east.

    Regardless of how banged up the Jets get,they will win at least 8 games this year,likely a few more.
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    I agree..
    1. Pats
    2. Jets
    3. Fins
    4. Bills
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    Disable Jersey

    Pats
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    Even though the Bills lost key players, they have an OK young QB whom the new (last year's) coaching staff seems able to handle. They drafted well, adding youthful vigor. Enough to surpass the fading Phins who also lost players and who'll be adjusting to yet another "next Don Shula" coaching staff.
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    Wait, so according to this the Dolphins will come in second next year? Aqua will be thrilled.
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    Everytime I see your Avatar I loose my lunch.
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    HAHA!;) Good stuff.
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    Wendling? I know many of us fans really liked him, but he DID last until late (6th round?). Who's right and who's wrong? My money is on the personnel directors of the 32 teams who didn't think very highly of him in a weak draft.
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    I'm not saying he's great or anything but he is one of the bigger names to look out for. It wouldn't be the first time a good player came out of the sixth round.

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