Welcome to PatsFans.com

A recent trend and the 2008 AFC East

Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by TomBrady'sGoat, May 2, 2007.

  1. TomBrady'sGoat

    TomBrady'sGoat Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2006
    Messages:
    1,769
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -0

    So I came up with this while browsing Jets Insider. I posted my thoughts, but not a single person responded. They instead only responded to their resident Pats troll, calling him names and blaming him for dragging down their site. The irony was not lost on me.

    Well, since those Jets fans were useless I turn to my PatsFans brethren:

    In a previous thread I predicted the Jets to fall to 7-9 while Miami rises to 9-7. After looking up these stats I found some basis for my earlier prediction.

    What does everyone think? Are the Jets any different, or will they suffer the same fall? Will Miami jump back up to playoff contention? Is NE pretty much guaranteed the division title? Would 3rd place be a successful season for buffalo (I say yes)?
  2. TheSeymonsta

    TheSeymonsta Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2007
    Messages:
    247
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    I do think the Jesters fall back this year. I just dont see any teams coming up to replace them.

    Buffalo lost too much.
    Miami still doesent have a QB.
    The Jesters schedule and I am sure Penny will get a bruise again so that alone will kill them.
  3. mgcolby

    mgcolby Woohoo, I'm a VIP!!! PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2005
    Messages:
    5,606
    Likes Received:
    10
    Ratings:
    +12 / 0 / -0

    To me the Jets are tied to Pennington and his health (which applies to most teams and their starting QB). Think about it with a healthy Pennington they usually win 9 or 10 games without a healthy Pennington they win about 25% of their games.

    So IMO if Chad stays healthy they win 9 or 10 games this season if isn't then I guess we'll find out if Clemens is ready.
  4. Pujo

    Pujo Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2005
    Messages:
    6,572
    Likes Received:
    4
    Ratings:
    +4 / 0 / -0

    I like our three-team division.

    Though I'm seeing a very, very bad season for Miami.
  5. oldrover

    oldrover Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2005
    Messages:
    1,070
    Likes Received:
    2
    Ratings:
    +2 / 0 / -0

    Simple explanation for what happened:

    You finish last, and next year you play the last place teams.

    You finish second, and next year you play the second-place teams.

    That would make teams who are not truly improving, but merely treading water, bounce up and down in the standings.
  6. Mooch

    Mooch Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2005
    Messages:
    222
    Likes Received:
    4
    Ratings:
    +4 / 0 / -0

    Biggest problem for the Jets last year was stopping the run. They ranked #24 in the league in rushing yrds allowed and a dismal 27th overall in yards allowed per carry.

    As far as I can tell, they haven't done anything to improve in that area and it will kill them in 2007.

    They also had one of the luckiest seasons in recent NFL history with regard to injuries to starting players. They were unbelievably healthy all last season. That's unlikely to happen two years in a row.
    Last edited: May 2, 2007
  7. zippo59

    zippo59 Rookie

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2006
    Messages:
    5,072
    Likes Received:
    2
    Ratings:
    +2 / 0 / -0

    I agree that it comes down to Pennington. Every year that he has played the majority of the games they have come in either second or first in the division. Every year that he hasn't they have come in last. So really the question for the Jets next year is can Pennington stay healthy? If I were a Jet fan I would not be very confident that he can.
  8. zippo59

    zippo59 Rookie

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2006
    Messages:
    5,072
    Likes Received:
    2
    Ratings:
    +2 / 0 / -0

    They did draft David Harris who seems to be a pretty good run stopper.
  9. Mooch

    Mooch Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2005
    Messages:
    222
    Likes Received:
    4
    Ratings:
    +4 / 0 / -0

    Linebacker play against the run wasn't really the issue. It was weakness at the point of attack, particularly defensive tackle.
  10. zippo59

    zippo59 Rookie

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2006
    Messages:
    5,072
    Likes Received:
    2
    Ratings:
    +2 / 0 / -0

    Part of the problem is that they were trying to stuff DeWayne Robertson into the NT position, which he had never played before. I think they need that true stud NT for their defense to become legitimate.
  11. Mooch

    Mooch Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2005
    Messages:
    222
    Likes Received:
    4
    Ratings:
    +4 / 0 / -0

    I agree. They don't have anybody big enough to play traditional two-gap NT. Those guys aren't readily available out there.

    The other issue is that their defense seems to be poorly structured for the 3-4 in general. I like Vilma as a player but he's not big enough to be a run plugger in the 3-4. Harris's problem seems to be the opposite: Looks like he has the size to play ILB in this scheme but he's not nearly quick enough to cover the middle of the field in passing situations.

    All in all, the Jets defense got by on good fortune last year. One or two injuries to their front 7 and they might be a very bad defense this coming year.
  12. Welker83

    Welker83 Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2006
    Messages:
    439
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0



    Oops...must be a typo..cause you obviously mean buffalo...you know the team that lost it's RB, 2 LB's, and #1 CB, while adding only 2 linemen castoffs and a running back in the draft that would have been a late first round pick a year ago...
  13. zippo59

    zippo59 Rookie

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2006
    Messages:
    5,072
    Likes Received:
    2
    Ratings:
    +2 / 0 / -0

    They also added Posluszny and Wendling.
  14. TheSeymonsta

    TheSeymonsta Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2007
    Messages:
    247
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    Wait until they have to line up against

    Moss
    Stallworth
    Welker
    Washington
    Watson

    Maroney in the Backfield.....:eek:
  15. Pujo

    Pujo Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2005
    Messages:
    6,572
    Likes Received:
    4
    Ratings:
    +4 / 0 / -0

    I already covered Buffalo with the "three team division" comment. Nevermind winning it, Buffalo doesn't even make the AFC East this year.
  16. Pujo

    Pujo Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2005
    Messages:
    6,572
    Likes Received:
    4
    Ratings:
    +4 / 0 / -0

    Umm, all that lineup would be good for is a penalty for too many receivers on the field...
    Last edited: May 2, 2007
  17. zippo59

    zippo59 Rookie

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2006
    Messages:
    5,072
    Likes Received:
    2
    Ratings:
    +2 / 0 / -0

    Not if we have Maroney playing QB.;)
  18. betterthanthealternative

    betterthanthealternative Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2006
    Messages:
    2,208
    Likes Received:
    24
    Ratings:
    +58 / 2 / -0

    There's a penalty for too many recievers on the field?

    The real problem would be that one of those guys would have to play OL.
  19. Pujo

    Pujo Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2005
    Messages:
    6,572
    Likes Received:
    4
    Ratings:
    +4 / 0 / -0

    Yeah, I knew I was oversimplifying it, but I couldn't get what I said to flow well otherwise.
  20. Ochmed Jones

    Ochmed Jones Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2004
    Messages:
    5,750
    Likes Received:
    9
    Ratings:
    +14 / 2 / -0

    #12 Jersey

    The "surprise" element that the Jets enjoyed last year is gone. Teams will be ready for them this year, but tI think the Jets will be prepared for that. Mangini saw what happened in 2002 the year after New England won their first SB and I think he's going to do a marvelous job of avoiding that trap.

    However as someone said earlier, Pennington's health is key for the Jets.

    Look for a big year from Brad Smith.

Share This Page

unset ($sidebar_block_show); ?>