A Quarter Century of Domination

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  1. borg

    borg In the Starting Line-Up

    From 1985 regular season to present (1986 SB to 2010 SB)

    Most Super Bowl Appearances:

    6 - Patriots
    5 - Broncos
    4 - Giants
    4 - Bills
    3 - Steelers
    3 - Cowboys
    3 - 49ers

    Most Super Bowl Wins:

    3 - Patriots
    3 - Giants
    3 - Cowboys
    3 - 49ers
    2 - Broncos
    2 - Steelers
    2 - Redskins

    Teams that reached Super Bowl in 80's, 90's, 00's:


    Best Super Bowl streak (last 25 yrs) :

    Patriots- 5 appearances in 11 years (3-2)
    Broncos- 5 appearances in 13 years (2-3)

    AFC East Championships (last 25 yrs) -

    10 - Patriots
    6 - Bills
    5 - Dolphins
    2 - Colts
    2 - Jets (Pathetic)
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  2. talking about the past this way only means one thing
  3. Fixit

    Fixit Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    That one of the resident wet blankets will chime in?

    I agree.
  4. eagle eye

    eagle eye In the Starting Line-Up

    #85 Jersey

    BB always says its all about the next game.
  5. MoLewisrocks

    MoLewisrocks PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    No, what he actually says he is or we as in the team are focused on the next game. It's OK for fans or god forbid even mediots to stop and smell the roses once in a while along the way...we're not part of the collective "we" he's talking about.

    Bill never second guesses or emotionally unleashes on players or beats dead horses into oblivion, either. But that doesn't stop certain fans or mediots from wasting endless hours on doing just that...
  6. Tunescribe

    Tunescribe PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    #61 Jersey

    And of course, BB also has a special fondness for football history and record-setting moments. He would appreciate the OP.
  7. Fixit

    Fixit Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    Yeah, but he's whiffed on some draft picks.
  8. edgeofepic

    edgeofepic Practice Squad Player

    The stats also reflect how badly the Patriots laid an egg in SB42. They could have distinguished themselves not only as the best professional team in the history of sports but if you plug in an extra win to the SB stats it really would have distinguished us from the rest. Eff Assante for dropping that ball.
  9. letekro

    letekro In the Starting Line-Up

    This is a very loose use of the word "domination." Over the 14 year period from 1987 -2000, the Pats went 95-128.
  10. MoLewisrocks

    MoLewisrocks PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Fixed that for you Fixit...it's early yet. LOL
  11. Pewsterbaby

    Pewsterbaby Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    It's 5 Super Bowl appearances in 12 years, not 11. That's the stat I throw out there in arguments with fans of other teams. That's a sweet run.

    And the blame doesn't rest on Samuel dropping that high ball. No doubt he was shocked the ball came right at him and not the receiver, who was a good 2, 3 yards away on the sideline. I mean, that Eli pass was way off target, or the receiver chumped the route. Samuel was like,"Holy crap. What was that? Oh man, it was the ball. What was it doing there in the first place?"
    You wanna blame somebody, blame MANKINS for getting *****slapped by Tyree all game long. Mankins was a turnstyle. Tyree spent the whole game in the Pats backfield.
  12. Pewsterbaby

    Pewsterbaby Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    That's just spin. He's not gonna discuss legacy & stats until he's retired and they're finally tallied. Anyone who thinks Bill, or any pro coach, doesn't look at past season numbers of teams and individual players (like on pro football reference.com) throughout the years, is paying to much attention to what's said by Bill to the press.
  13. letekro

    letekro In the Starting Line-Up

    I blame Justin Tuck's catch. :rolleyes:
  14. eom

    eom In the Starting Line-Up

    change thread title to quarter century of somewhat better, plz.
  15. borg

    borg In the Starting Line-Up

    You and Polian can circle jerk each other over regular season wins. Add Shula in there for a triple handy. History will look back final games, not week 3 standings.
  16. PatsFanSince74

    PatsFanSince74 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    I don't look at it that way and neither do most observers of the NFL. You're conflating too many periods with too many great teams. (And, it's five SB appearances in 12 years.)

    Taking the 1985 season as a starting point (people usually talk of "seasons" when doing this kind of analysis, so the period you are referencing begins with the 1985 season), the Niners won three SB's between 1986 and 1994 and the Cowboys won three between 1993 and 1996. The Broncos, Giants and Redskins all won two each between 1986 and 1998. Saying that the Pat's "dominated" that time is just silly and more than a little embarrassing (this is the kind of statement that other teams' boards pick up, like we picked up the Jets prediction that they will go 15--1 this year).

    There is no doubt that you can make the statement that the Pats dominated the 2000's with five trips to the Conference Championship, four trips to the SB and three rings. Only the Steelers with two Rings can even claim to be in the discussion, and then only briefly.

    Your use of 10 AFC East Championships in 25 years in comparison with other teams is specious. Of those 10, seven came in the nine years between 2001 and 2009. The Bills won five between 1990 and 1995, a period of time that the Patriots hardly dominated.

    I think the broader statement that can accurately be made of the Pats is that since the Krafts acquired the team in 1994, the Pats have become one of the premier franchises in the league. Then I think it's fair to place the Pats in the context of the history of the SB era by observing that only the Cowboys (eight) and Steelers (seven) have gone to more SB's and that only the Cowboys (five), Steelers (six) and Niners (five) have won more. I also think noting, as you do, that only the Pats, Steelers and Giants have gone to SB's in each of the preceding three decades is a good and fair point that can be made in this context.

    Those statements would stand scrutiny and be accurate. Conflating a 24 year period in which many fine teams "dominated" at various times and saying that one team "dominated" the entire quarter century is just wrong.

    Finally, to me the great unwritten story of this team is that Belichick and Brady have a chance to do what no other HC/QB tandem in the history of the SB era has accomplished: win a SB together in a second decade. That's where I'm focused.
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  17. RayClay

    RayClay Hall of Fame Poster

    #75 Jersey

    Nice snapshot, but we've hardly had a quarter century of dominance.[/rodrust].

    I'm happy Billy Sullivan got to see a Super bowl run before he died in '85, he certainly deserved it.

    If you're talking dominance, the late 70's Fairbanks teams rivaled the current outfit, but they couldn't cash it in.

    We certainly have a great team this decade but combining that with two teams from the previous two decades that had nothing to do with each other is just a statistical coincidence.

    And they had a dominant Defensive line starting in '61 anchored by all time great Houston Antwine, so go vote!:D

    PATSYLICIOUS Pro Bowl Player

    #12 Jersey

    I wouldn't call it dominance, but it is very nice to have had the best overall team of the last 25 years.

    Just hilarious that the Jets are tied with the Colts in fewest AFCE titles since '86 when the Colts haven't been in the division for the last 9 years.

    The team is also in good shape for the future if our last 2 drafts pan out the way I think they will and we make good use of the 2 1sts + 2 2nds next year. Both are favorable if's IMO.
  19. livinginthe past

    livinginthe past Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    #12 Jersey

    I don't know.

    I look at all those playoff appearances and SB wins one one hand.

    On the other I look at belichicks habit of drafting 'midget corners' and various other picks I didn't have in my my mock draft.

    I think its about even.
  20. borg

    borg In the Starting Line-Up

    I chose 25 years because it is the Silver Anniversary of the Patriots first Super Bowl appearance.
    Sure, dominance is a subjective term. The fact is that the Patriots were playing in the Super Bowl 24% of the games over last 25 years. No one was better.
    Over the history of 44 Super Bowl games, only Pittsburg and Dallas had more appearances. The fact that the Patriots are #3 on that list, all because of their past 25 years, is pretty impressive as well.
    As far as the AFC East goes, NE and Buffalo were the only real deals, converting regular season success into the bid dance card. Miami was a fraud.
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