OT: Sucks, Curse of Len Bias

Ok I take it back. Maybe there is a curse... or a minor hex at least.
(woot got the 100th post of the thread)

Real World said:

Huh? One of the best Celtics teams in years? That team was awefull. They played in the Leastern Conferance, and went to it's finals. Whoopdie doo. That team sucked, and most everyone knew that. .

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Okay Mr Know it all.. you can spit on tha team all you wish..sayt that te team is awful that it sucks.. but what team was better than that team in the last 15 years?? You can say big deal to it all...and make fun of that but Danny Boy has yet to get to that point at all..so you are basically worshipping the manure that is now celtic basketball. so while you mock what that team has done..the it''s been the best team in years. ..and if you really KNEW the game you would agree.
Let's start
92/93----48-34 That was the first year without Bird..Reggie Lewis collapsed in the playoffs..died that summer. 48-34 Not bad..maybe that team MIGHT have been better..but that is a long way in the past.
93/94----32-50 A year without McHale and Lewis and did not make teh playoffs. A big drop down.
94/95----35-47----Last team in the playoffs; last year at the Garden..eliminated quickly. ONLY a bit better, but hardly a good team.
95/96----33-49..ML Carr took over and again a drop.
96/97----15-67 A pitiful low point in Celtic history. The Celts do not get Duncan---Pitino comes to the rescue...sort of
97/98----36-46--Walker is a bright spot as the team improves a great deal, but still is in need in many positions.
98/99----19-31 Short season..paul Pierce slides down in the draft and is a steal.
99/00---35/47 Again, moves by Pitino but really very little traction and solid play.
01/02---36/46 Pitino leaves after a few months, OBrien takes over and the team seems to be starting to play better,
02/03---49-33 O'Brien's first year and the team gels and gets to teh East Finals. Certainly the best team in many years before or aft. They played as a unit..TEAM basketball and while they were in need of a point guard or big man, the team had the other parts together.
03/04---44/38 Almost on par with the former team, they went out in the second round as Danny Boy cut the team's knees off emotionally with his entrance into the scene.
04/05---36-46 Danny's first year, basically dismantling the team while they raised prices because it was a playoff team LOL
05/06---45-37 Doc's first year..a late Walker infusion helped get the team to the playoffs, but down to defeat in teh second round.
06/07----33-49 More moving pieces around and gpoing backward...
07/08----24-58...even worse as the continued not to improve.

So what team was better than the 02/03 team that you claim sucked?? and was awful?? That team played D..and had role players..and while they did NEED a point guard and a big man..with those they would have gone further..but Danyy Boy knew better and dismantled the team..and has built nada.

Real World said:

Also, you can't build a team without talent. The talent is first necessary so you can actually aquire the peices to build the team you feel will compete. .

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As much as you need talent..you need to have a concept of what a team is..look at the Grizzlies, the Clippers and many teams that have talented players..they draft high and do little..why?? That Celtic team also played D...now the team knows D as the letter after C..It is pathetic!! They have no concept of team and roles in teh team and none of playing D.

Real World said:

reason the Celtics are in the conversation for marquee players this offseason is because DA has designed it that way. Expiring contracts, picks, and most importantly young talent that he drafted.

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And the marque players are going to help?? LOL...Allen is a solid player..but hardly fills in with what is needed. The team will win a few more games..but that is it. What is sickening is how so many support a product that stinks..and is no better. I see on thr board many who make fun of the Lion fans and support their totally awful management...I agre they should NOT..and it is why it is no better. If they walked away I think things would change there. Same with fraud Ainge. Keep supporting him and see what happens..the same as what he has done since he got here nada. Be smarter than you are and supporting manure.

That 03-04 team was deeply flawed and there was no way it was ever going to win a championship (nothing else matters). This was the same team from the year before. The team lived and died on the 3 point shot. When it played NJ. in the playoffs, two key members of the Celtics would never be the same players. First, A. Walker was destroyed, no amount of counseling or sports psychology was ever going to help him overcome the thrashing he endured in this series. Secondly, Paul Pierce was being mentioned in the same breath as Kobe Bryant prior to this series. As good as Paul has been, he was also knocked down a peg in this series and was never mentioned again as one of the best. The current team Ainge has assembled has a better chance of going deeper into the playoffs then that team that you heap praise on.

scout said:

That 03-04 team was deeply flawed and there was no way it was ever going to win a championship (nothing else matters).

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That team as it consisted wouldn't have..BUT I also would not expect a REAL GM would leave it as it was and to DO what it takes to get players TO win a championship. What that team was missing was a poiint guard and a defensive center/rebounder. The team played defense and was a strong cohesive unit. Ainge wanted to do it his way and destroyed the team...all along telling the fans that THAT wasn't what he was doing.

scout said:

This was the same team from the year before. The team lived and died on the 3 point shot. When it played NJ. in the playoffs, two key members of the Celtics would never be the same players. First, A. Walker was destroyed, no amount of counseling or sports psychology was ever going to help him overcome the thrashing he endured in this series. Secondly, Paul Pierce was being mentioned in the same breath as Kobe Bryant prior to this series. As good as Paul has been, he was also knocked down a peg in this series and was never mentioned again as one of the best.

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That was the series when Danny Boy was introduced as the new GM. I believe his entrance into things totally undercut what the team was about. The coaches, players knew the ax was coming on all of them. What blame do you put on that poor timed announcement?? I'm not sure the team would have won the series but never would they have been so pitiful. In a game that is very emotional, cutting the teams knees off, having players and coaches wonder about their future basically killed that team. It was one of the worst momnents in Celtics history. Undercutting one's own team in the playoffs is never a good idea; he should have been named AFTER the series was over. That you think two players went down a great deal because of that series is interesting..but it also points to the entrance of Mr Ainge. It was difficult playing the Nets, but being distracted by the entrance of a new GM who totally hated a few on the team, had to have contributed a great deal to what occured in that series.

scout said:

The current team Ainge has assembled has a better chance of going deeper into the playoffs then that team that you heap praise on.

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The current team even WITH the Allen trade is going nowhere...better chance as it stands??? NADA...A real GM would have seen that the team was very cohesive but had only a few needs and over the next few years would have gotten the parts to go the distance. O'Brien's teams played D...these teams are like matadors...can't stop anyone. This team is laughable even with Allen. Just good enough to keep his rearend in town; in many he would be GONE!!! Keep worshiping what Danny is doing and the mediocrity will continue. And if nothing else matters..you are insuring a championship will not happen in the near future.

Fine, you vehemently dislike Ainge. And your reasoning on why Walker and Pierce weaknesses were exposed, thus undercutting them as players that they were to become, was because..............of the announcement of the New GM! Bravo, someone's credibility has been exposed. I guess we will have to wait for this season to play out and see who eats crow.

scout said:

Fine, you vehemently dislike Ainge. And your reasoning on why Walker and Pierce weaknesses were exposed, thus undercutting them as players that they were to become, was because..............of the announcement of the New GM! Bravo, someone's credibility has been exposed. I guess we will have to wait for this season to play out and see who eats crow.

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I doubt they'll be much crow eating..there will be no banner for a long time..the team will improve, get fannies in teh seats, generate a lot of pub, but having 3 aging stars is NOT an equation of winning a championsip..far from it..it will get lots of hope up..but will fall short...but the Celtic fans that are excited know nothing of past championships and what it takes to win it all...Yes, Ryan is sort of back on board..but prematurely..the team will be better of course (can't get much worse..) but it's all about getting fannies in the seats..generating a buzz...hope..but to me it's all false hope..until Ainge actually wins something..puts up another banner, he's just a punk with an overinflated ego who knows nothing..

Pats726 said:

I doubt they'll be much crow eating..there will be no banner for a long time..the team will improve, get fannies in teh seats, generate a lot of pub, but having 3 aging stars is NOT an equation of winning a championsip..far from it..it will get lots of hope up..but will fall short...but the Celtic fans that are excited know nothing of past championships and what it takes to win it all...Yes, Ryan is sort of back on board..but prematurely..the team will be better of course (can't get much worse..) but it's all about getting fannies in the seats..generating a buzz...hope..but to me it's all false hope..until Ainge actually wins something..puts up another banner, he's just a punk with an overinflated ego who knows nothing..

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I know its only two exhibitions, but how is your appetite? Today, Allan scored 28. Last game Garnett was a monster. I guess we'll wait and see.

The Celts blew out the Knicks by 40 points last night before an almost sellout crowd. Its only exhibition, but for any doubters, what kind of seasoning do you like with your crow?

I am a senior at UMD (where big LB went to school) sorry just thought i should put it out there. GO WIZARDS!

Pats726 said:

That team as it consisted wouldn't have..BUT I also would not expect a REAL GM would leave it as it was and to DO what it takes to get players TO win a championship. What that team was missing was a poiint guard and a defensive center/rebounder. The team played defense and was a strong cohesive unit. Ainge wanted to do it his way and destroyed the team...all along telling the fans that THAT wasn't what he was doing.
That was the series when Danny Boy was introduced as the new GM. I believe his entrance into things totally undercut what the team was about. The coaches, players knew the ax was coming on all of them. What blame do you put on that poor timed announcement?? I'm not sure the team would have won the series but never would they have been so pitiful. In a game that is very emotional, cutting the teams knees off, having players and coaches wonder about their future basically killed that team. It was one of the worst momnents in Celtics history. Undercutting one's own team in the playoffs is never a good idea; he should have been named AFTER the series was over. That you think two players went down a great deal because of that series is interesting..but it also points to the entrance of Mr Ainge. It was difficult playing the Nets, but being distracted by the entrance of a new GM who totally hated a few on the team, had to have contributed a great deal to what occured in that series.
The current team even WITH the Allen trade is going nowhere...better chance as it stands??? NADA...A real GM would have seen that the team was very cohesive but had only a few needs and over the next few years would have gotten the parts to go the distance. O'Brien's teams played D...these teams are like matadors...can't stop anyone. This team is laughable even with Allen. Just good enough to keep his rearend in town; in many he would be GONE!!! Keep worshiping what Danny is doing and the mediocrity will continue. And if nothing else matters..you are insuring a championship will not happen in the near future.

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HELLO! Celtics just crushed the Pacers. Tinsley pissed off Paul Pierce and he went freakin' wild, even did pushups between free throws. Oh yea, what do you think of Ainge now?

Ainge should thank Kevin McHale for building him a good team. I am a Wolves fan along with a Nets fan and I thought the Wolves got nothing in return for one of the best players in the league. Ryan Gomes has been garbage and Al Jefferson has been a stiff with the Wolves.

In hindsight, this turned out to be a blessing in disguise. If the Celtics ended up with Greg Oden or Kevin Durant, they wouldn't have traded for Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett. It would be much like last year, only with a supremely talented youngster added to the mix. A healthy Oden or Durant would've made the Baby Celtics at best a #6 seed in the East. The revamped, new Big 3 version has a legit chance to be the #1 seed in the East.