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The whole sordid story bugs me.. from the onset. From the Refs losing track of footballs, the chain of custody of the footballs in question, the ill timed late night leaks, failure to retract the information, the kangaroo court that judged Brady, ignoring the science.. to the NFL refusing to release their data from last year.

The whole thing incredibly pisses me off, it was an equipment issue and those charged with monitoring equipment **** the bed, but were praised.. Walt Anderson we love you.

Just got my blood pressure up again..
 
The 16lbs psi from the Jets game just shows how very little the refs ever paid to ball inflation or process. I would not be surprised if most refs just gave the balls a squeeze and added/subtracted whatever they wanted.


Leaving the balls in a hotel room and needing them rushed back by police escort shows how little attention refs to process.
 
The whole sordid story bugs me.. from the onset. From the Refs losing track of footballs, the chain of custody of the footballs in question, the ill timed late night leaks, failure to retract the information, the kangaroo court that judged Brady, ignoring the science.. to the NFL refusing to release their data from last year.

The whole thing incredibly pisses me off, it was an equipment issue and those charged with monitoring equipment **** the bed, but were praised.. Walt Anderson we love you.

Just got my blood pressure up again..
A perfectly accurate and succinct summation. I would add only this: I'm as incredibly, totally tired of this entire sordid ordeal as anyone could possibly be. I read the endless, detailed posts that continue to debate this subject and, quite honestly, I have no idea how anyone can still muster the effort to do so.
 
A perfectly accurate and succinct summation. I would add only this: I'm as incredibly, totally tired of this entire sordid ordeal as anyone could possibly be. I read the endless, detailed posts that continue to debate this subject and, quite honestly, I have no idea how anyone can still muster the effort to do so.

Anger drives me on this travesty of justice.. the whole issue has gotten so muddled and confused, need to remember the actual issue(s)...
 
Agreed.

Money is not about a conspiracy, nor is ego and power. I always asked these 2 questions:

1. Was Mike Kensil at the game on 10.16.14?

2. How did ref Bill Leavy allow the balls to be that far over the 13.5 limit, if the weather that day was in the low 60s and the balls returned to a slightly higher temp at, say 70 degrees, inside the stadium?

Lastly, why was Bill Leavy demoted in 2013, only to be PROMOTED after the 2014 season and why were both he and Kensil's offices moved on Park Ave?

Who promotes a recently demoted ref, for special consulting services if the ref was so poor at his job?

Could it be Bill Leavy knows that Kensil took some of those balls at the Jets request to try to cheat Brady and the Pats>?

You'd have to be ****faced to not see the gauge at around 16 PSI.

Lastly, how arrogant and sloppy is it that Wells put that in the report, apparently to show some kind of seed of intent AFETR 10.16.14 for Brady to order Jastremski to deflate balls for god knows what reason, but in the Wells Report itself from the game that day, ,Brady is quoted as speciyuing the PSI range of 12.5 - 13.5 because he was so annoyed?

Why would he ask to doublecheck the game manual and thre rule, if he wanted it below 12.5 for whatever the reason may be?

The whole discussion of PSI has never come up in the history of brady's career at any time and he had to doublecheck what it was because 4 balls were so egregiously over-inflated, giving the Jets an advantage.

It's just amazing to me.

Was Mike Kensil at the 10.16.14 Jets vs Pats game? Was he? The only way to find out, apparrently, is to drop a defamation suit and ask him on a federal stand.

The last obvious dead giveaway that nothing happened to the footballs vs the Colts is the idea McNally would have HAD to have been present to see if the refs added air to the balls at all, because it wouldn't make sense for McNally to tamper with the balls after Brady blessed them, mere hours earlier. So, if there is no security footage of McNally standing there looking over the refs shoulders as they check the PSIs, then why would he take it upon himself, in awe of Brady, to tamper with the QBs preferences? FOr ****s and giggles?

I mean, does Goodell really think intelligent people who aren't even Pats fans, are all going to believe this?

Thee are so many tells in the Wells Report, its not even funny. They erred in the fact they used the 10.14.16 game to show intent that brady is uptight about the PSI and then cherrypicked old texts, strung that together with the 10.16 game, which somehow meant between 10.16 and January, but only at home games, all of a sudden, Brady orchestrated this scheme?

Really? Brady has to have the ball at 11.5 or 11 to start a game to be a HOF QB? We're supposed to believe this? Not to mention, anyone who has ever thrown a football would rather have it harder, not softer. A slower rotating ball gets to its target slower. Duh.

It's just so preposterous.

If you wanted to soften the balls, just have Vince roll on the bag during the national anthem for chrissakes.

Also, why would a part time guy like that lie to BB, Kraft and Brady? He wouldn't.

Exactly.

And is it really a conspiracy theory when we say the burden of proof is on the NFL to show that they AREN'T trying to stack the cards against them? Everyone knows rock hard footballs are NOT to the liking of the players and I think 16psi might even be beyond the Wilson specs.

There's not a whole lot of hard evidence of Brady doing anything in DefameGate

But we do have evidence of the NFL giving preferential treatment to the Jets outright lying and deceit to tar, feather and impede the Patriots.

So much evidence that I think it's fair to say it's a fact the NFL itself is biased against the Pats and for the Jets.

Don't believe me? Just ask Jay Feely - who's equipment crew was altering his footballs to make them go further, were caught and given a slap on the wrist with no inference of Feely's involvement despite the fact that he openly admits he routinely tips the ball boys.

Feely: NFL slandered Brady 'with no evidence'

So by my way of thinking of it, with such a long, proven track record of conspiring against the Patriots and in support of the Jets, can the NFL prove they DIDN'T tamper with the footballs?

Heck - even if somehow you make the same leap of logic that Goodell did on Brady keeping his cellphone as Wells approved - what did Goodell do when the Jets QB was involved in a case of sexual harrassment involving two Jets employees?

Nothing. Simply fined him $50,000 for refusing to cooperate by refusinig to turn over the phone with the actual evidence on it.

Former Jets massage therapists sue Brett Favre, alleging sexual harassment

So no, it's not a conspiracy theory to think that the NFL itself is inherently unfair
 
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Exactly.

And is it really a conspiracy theory when we say the burden of proof is on the NFL to show that they AREN'T trying to stack the cards against them? Everyone knows rock hard footballs are NOT to the liking of the players and I think 16psi might even be beyond the Wilson specs.

There's not a whole lot of hard evidence of Brady doing anything in DefameGate

But we do have evidence of the NFL giving preferential treatment to the Jets outright lying and deceit to tar, feather and impede the Patriots.

So much evidence that I think it's fair to say it's a fact the NFL itself is biased against the Pats and for the Jets.

Don't believe me? Just ask Jay Feely - who's equipment crew was altering his footballs to make them go further, were caught and given a slap on the wrist with no inference of Feely's involvement despite the fact that he openly admits he routinely tips the ball boys.

Feely: NFL slandered Brady 'with no evidence'

So by my way of thinking of it, with such a long, proven track record of conspiring against the Patriots and in support of the Jets, can the NFL prove they DIDN'T tamper with the footballs?

Heck - even if somehow you make the same leap of logic that Goodell did on Brady keeping his cellphone as Wells approved - what did Goodell do when the Jets QB was involved in a case of sexual harrassment involving two Jets employees?

Nothing. Simply fined him $50,000 for refusing to cooperate by refusinig to turn over the phone with the actual evidence on it.

Former Jets massage therapists sue Brett Favre, alleging sexual harassment

So no, it's not a conspiracy theory to think that the NFL itself is inherently unfair

People just say "conspiracy", but really it's about control, money, ego and power, which is what Spygate and Deflategate are.

You don't need a tin foil hat to know the way the world works. The world is about money. How to get it, how to keep it, and how to get more of it. That's not me speaking, but that's how some or most people work, including those at the highest levels of the NFL.

Goodell needs a team in Europe right away. As much as these owners are filthy rich for non of us to relate to, it doesn't mean they think they're getting good return on their investment, say, as compared to Kraft.

Kahn is not getting the return on his investment, but the Pats dominance blows a broadside hole in Goodell's parity pitch to London investors. Hence, why the Jaguars have not moved yet, but

And, see, the Jaguars move is key because two BRAND NEW team in Europe at once (you can't have an uneven amount of teams), is WAY too risky (not that Jax in London is not).

Next, Kraft's reign is like a financial and business dream that somehow unfolded perfectly, which I am sure many are very jealous of.

But, look at Kroenke from the Rams. Are we supposed to believe he moved back to LA by accident? Absolutely not. He had a cheap lease that expired, the stadium is technically outdated after 20 years and the city or state was not going to help do anything about it, so he leveraged it.

His cheap STL lease expired and he leveraged that up against knowing LA needed a team. Oakland and SD are too cheap, so Kroenke took advantage.

Someone like a Woody Johnson has PSLs for sale, but no one is really buying, because quite frankly, they are stupid and a rip off of the fans.

But, he has those to try to break even on what he owes for sharing Met Life Stadium, as he got the crap end of that deal with regards to the Maras having the power there.

Christ, they've only hosted 1 playoff game in 30 years since 1986, which was essentially by default because the Pats needed to make some tweaks, after having a mediocre 2002 season.

So, they've had no playoff revenue of any kind. Compared that to the Pats. Kraft sometimes has TWO postseason games, but a guaranteed ONE. That's beyond unusual to know that going into an NFL season. No other team, other than NE can say that. Every year.

On top of that, the Pats rub it in his face every year, even if the Jets win at home with some meaningless regular season SB win they cherish for the entire offseason.

They're insecure, embarrassed and cannot stand to play second fiddle to not only the Giants, but anyone from Boston.

These aren't accidents or conspiracies, or even coincidences...Goodell took a shot at helping to smear and punish the Pats because he had willing cohorts in the Ravens and Colts.

Harbaugh hatched the idea, Pagano and Grigson got the approval from Irsay and Goodell went along with it because he didn't need to be involved. That's why he sent Troy Vincent to Foxborough and Goodell was in Seattle during title game weekend in January of 2015.

It's also why Grigson asked Sean Sullivan to send him an email that said "everyone knows NE deflates footballs"......It removes Grigson from the Harbaugh-->Pagano duo.

Or, at least he thought.

If "everyone knows" and the Pats are clearly watched like a hawk, with the Pats knowing this, why on earth would the Pats do this and WHY did it take until AFTER Brady suggested Harbaugh "check the rule book", to address this supposed cheating and advantage?

Get these people on a federal stand and we'll see texts, emails and phone calls all back and forth between then leading up to the game, and thereafter.

PS I also think at some point Well's work was compromised when Goodell realized it wasn't enough and that is when Pash started "wordsmithing" the report, which is why Wells said "Brady co-operated", but only 2 months later, somehow he didn't because he bought a new phone.

So, even though Wells is a slimeball, I think his being pissed at the public's reaction to his work, with NFL manipulation of said work, probably ticked him off.

Wells will never do work for Goodell again.
 
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Exactly.

And is it really a conspiracy theory when we say the burden of proof is on the NFL to show that they AREN'T trying to stack the cards against them? Everyone knows rock hard footballs are NOT to the liking of the players and I think 16psi might even be beyond the Wilson specs.

There's not a whole lot of hard evidence of Brady doing anything in DefameGate

But we do have evidence of the NFL giving preferential treatment to the Jets outright lying and deceit to tar, feather and impede the Patriots.

So much evidence that I think it's fair to say it's a fact the NFL itself is biased against the Pats and for the Jets.

Don't believe me? Just ask Jay Feely - who's equipment crew was altering his footballs to make them go further, were caught and given a slap on the wrist with no inference of Feely's involvement despite the fact that he openly admits he routinely tips the ball boys.

Feely: NFL slandered Brady 'with no evidence'

So by my way of thinking of it, with such a long, proven track record of conspiring against the Patriots and in support of the Jets, can the NFL prove they DIDN'T tamper with the footballs?

Heck - even if somehow you make the same leap of logic that Goodell did on Brady keeping his cellphone as Wells approved - what did Goodell do when the Jets QB was involved in a case of sexual harrassment involving two Jets employees?

Nothing. Simply fined him $50,000 for refusing to cooperate by refusinig to turn over the phone with the actual evidence on it.

Former Jets massage therapists sue Brett Favre, alleging sexual harassment

So no, it's not a conspiracy theory to think that the NFL itself is inherently unfair

O. Henry couldn't have come up with a better story line.

The NFL* and the MSM sports media have so effectively branded the Pats as cheaters, that the irony is that it is the Pats who are actually the victims of cheating rather than the other way around.
 
O. Henry couldn't have come up with a better story line.

The NFL* and the MSM sports media have so effectively branded the Pats as cheaters, that the irony is that it is the Pats who are actually the victims of cheating rather than the other way around.

Also, once ESPN and the media realized any negative Pats coverage makes the money, it's been in their best interest to lie or fib to keep the story alive for clicks.

I know we all know this at this point, but it could not be more obvious. I still say if Kraft had sued the Herald in 2008, none of this would be going on. It would have had industry-wide reverberations and Goodell would have obviously taken note.

Kraft is too nice at times, especially in these situations.

I do agree the real cheating is Goodell doing it to our team with other franchises in tow, colluding and almost forcing Goodell to do something, even if it means lying outright.
 
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That is correct. I forget his name, but it was listed in that piece. If I am Brady, I ask my attorneys to call him to the stand to testify in the defamation suit.

Eric Kester


Deflate-Gate: An NFL Ball Boy's Perspective on Preparing Footballs - NBC News

Eric Kester, who was a ball boy for the Chicago Bears in 2003, says he can't speculate about the controversy dubbed "Deflate-Gate," but he remembers how the preparation worked — starting with the delivery of factory-fresh balls a few days before a game.

"We would then work with the quarterbacks to customize the balls to their liking. This involved scrubbing them with stiff horsehair brushes to rub off the leather's slippery silicone sheen, and occasionally inflating or deflating the balls a very small amount, which I believe is legal to a degree. Quarterbacks are very particular about the way a ball feels in their hand, and we worked meticulously to match their particular preferences," Kester said.

Two hours before kickoff, he would bring the balls to the referees' locker room for inspection.

"I recall them having a pressure gauge in the locker room, but most often they just squeezed the balls, turned them over in their hands a few times each, and inspected the laces. I don't recall them ever rejecting one of our balls," he said.
 
I believe that most of the other 31 fanbases aren't even aware of the "16 PSI" issue in the NYJ home game. I know that every time I bring it up to anyone in PA or OH, no one even knows what the hell I'm talking about.

How the NFL managed to sweep this under the rug is beyond me. It's really the one and only real proof that we have that the balls weren't being inspected properly. Roger Goodell's "play dumb" act ("so the game was in New York, then?") somehow managed to work, which is both disgusting and unethical.
 
They didn't do it last season. If they did we would have heard about it. What makes you think they'd pick this year as the year to bone the Pats on this again?

And it would be extremely suspicious that the Pats would get caught up in another scandal like this. Even to people who are Deflategate truthers. If the Pats get railroaded again, it will be because of some other perceived infraction of the rules.
If the Pats get railroaded again, it will be because they keep winning.
 
I believe that most of the other 31 fanbases aren't even aware of the "16 PSI" issue in the NYJ home game. I know that every time I bring it up to anyone in PA or OH, no one even knows what the hell I'm talking about.

How the NFL managed to sweep this under the rug is beyond me. It's really the one and only real proof that we have that the balls weren't being inspected properly. Roger Goodell's "play dumb" act ("so the game was in New York, then?") somehow managed to work, which is both disgusting and unethical.

It's also the subject of discussion from which Wells parsed out most his "suspicious" text messages leaving out that context and providing his own context. People bought that hook, line, and sinker.

John Dowd ripped Wells for this unethical behavior.
 
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I believe that most of the other 31 fanbases aren't even aware of the "16 PSI" issue in the NYJ home game. I know that every time I bring it up to anyone in PA or OH, no one even knows what the hell I'm talking about.

How the NFL managed to sweep this under the rug is beyond me. It's really the one and only real proof that we have that the balls weren't being inspected properly. Roger Goodell's "play dumb" act ("so the game was in New York, then?") somehow managed to work, which is both disgusting and unethical.

It also proves this was a bagjob and he didn't even read the Wells Report. I don't think it was play dumb, I think he is DUMB, due to arrogance. He's apparently too dumb to not see the idea that McNally doesn't travel, which means Jastremski would be the one ducking into an opposing team's bathroom to do this. LMAO

I mean, Goodell is so crazy with power, he makes the average American's opinion, dumber than dirt.

I could not believe he did that. How does he not know the facts of the report he paid for? I mean, that in itself is proof this can't be used as how he rules for punishment.

I think they thought that it would show intent of Brady wanting to make sure they never got over-inflated again after 10.16.14, but they are so lazy and arrogant, they can't see that Jastremski's text the next day to McNally, actually debunks that and the approach there.

Jastremski would have blamed McNally for not deflating, not saying "the refs ****ed us", the latter quote implying this inaccuracy at times by some ref groups, is not uncommon. It's what we all expected. If a football or two is at 12.3 or 12.1 or whatever, it's not doublchecked with a gauge every time. It's just by feel by the refs. Walt Anderson likely lied, too. Goodell and all gameday officialls also likley knew it wasn't really a true protocol and probably have ordered all refs to keep quiet, not spilling the beans on the realities of pregame protocols, which actually makes for the perfect plot by Harbaugh/Pagano/Grigson.

It's also why 4 of the 12 Colts balls, at the very least anyway, were under 12.5 as well and in violation.

The editing out of the entire text exchange is very suspicious and should be to any objective interested party.

Also, McNally would have had to have seen air ADDED to the balls before the Colts game, if he took it upon himself to deflate Brady's footballs, if there was a scheme.

Otherwise, why would a part time guy who likely wouldn't be ordered to do ANYTHING to the balls after brady blesses them, as a Pats fan as well, touch the balls at all? Just for fun? Boredom before he walks to the field? Laughable.

Since the security footage was available before the Ravens game and not in the report, this would lead one to believe it didn't match their wants (similar to the PSI data needing to be released as they said it would from last season), which would have been McNally using the bathroom at a similar time doing the exact same thing.

Didn't happen in the Ravens game, hence not in the report. I mean, there are so many easy tells in this thing, it;s hilarious how lazy and sloppy they were.

Wells had access to the Ravens pre game footage, which would have showed McNally using the bathroom in the EXACT SAME WAY, to support their premise of a scheme, but it's nowhere in the report. Again, very suspicious. I am not even a lawyer, and that's the first thing I would have done if I was Wells...Compare and contrast pre game activity from BOTH pieces of security footage. Again, it didn't happen.

The security footage stays on site for 10 days before being dumped to an off site server for future purposes like in case of a lawsuit for liability in stadium grounds. He could have had access to that, but since they got the "juicy" out of context sarcastic texts, they felt they didn't need real evidence, which is why it took them 3 months to piece it together going BACKWARDS from their texts, all wrapped up tight into a nice little Sheriff Goebbels package that Sheriff Goebbels wanted.

They must take Goodell all the way and win. He cannot get away with this.
 
In October, Brady has to be informed by Jastremski that someone has put an extra 3.0 psi in his footballs, because he didn't know. All he knew was that his footballs weren't right.

Three months later, he's hatched a "scheme" to take 0.2 psi out of his footballs. Because the guy who couldn't tell the difference between 13.0 and 16.0 can clearly tell the difference between 12.5 and 12.3.
 
It's also why Grigson asked Sean Sullivan to send him an email that said "everyone knows NE deflates footballs"......It removes Grigson from the Harbaugh-->Pagano duo.

Or, at least he thought.

If "everyone knows" and the Pats are clearly watched like a hawk, with the Pats knowing this, why on earth would the Pats do this and WHY did it take until AFTER Brady suggested Harbaugh "check the rule book", to address this supposed cheating and advantage?

Get these people on a federal stand and we'll see texts, emails and phone calls all back and forth between then leading up to the game, and thereafter.

The "everyone knows" story was a weak basis for an accusation and investigation. Wells asked the two Colts ball boys where they heard this story that, apparently, "everyone knows" and neither could remember who told them. Wells either didn't look for or couldn't find anyone to corroborate that story. I don't think any other accusations like that showed up in ESPN's 90 anonymous sources story. That seems a little odd, because you would think some current or retired ball boy from the Bills, Jets, or Dolphins (or any other team) would have some story about questionable behavior by the Patriots with the footballs that they would share with Wells or the ESPN writers, who were prepared to believe anything. It's a small point, but if there is no basis for the accusation, then an objective investigator would start looking at the motives of the accusers.

An "everyone knows" story is like one of those high school stories that are usually a myth, but everyone accepts them, like "Everyone knows Johnny Switchblade drinks a fifth of whiskey each morning before school." If a vice principal ever decided to try and track down that story, they would find that no, no one every saw Johnny actually drinking, never saw a bottle, and never smelled whiskey on his breath. After locating the source of the rumors, it might come out that Johnny once joked about that, but never actually did it. Someone overheard the joke, the story grew from there, but there was never anything to it. Unless Wells and Goodell were investigating this story. Then they would decide the story was true, despite there being no evidence, and suspend Johnny Switchblade from school for 4 weeks.
 
The "everyone knows" story was a weak basis for an accusation and investigation. Wells asked the two Colts ball boys where they heard this story that, apparently, "everyone knows" and neither could remember who told them. Wells either didn't look for or couldn't find anyone to corroborate that story. I don't think any other accusations like that showed up in ESPN's 90 anonymous sources story. That seems a little odd, because you would think some current or retired ball boy from the Bills, Jets, or Dolphins (or any other team) would have some story about questionable behavior by the Patriots with the footballs that they would share with Wells or the ESPN writers, who were prepared to believe anything. It's a small point, but if there is no basis for the accusation, then an objective investigator would start looking at the motives of the accusers.

An "everyone knows" story is like one of those high school stories that are usually a myth, but everyone accepts them, like "Everyone knows Johnny Switchblade drinks a fifth of whiskey each morning before school." If a vice principal ever decided to try and track down that story, they would find that no, no one every saw Johnny actually drinking, never saw a bottle, and never smelled whiskey on his breath. After locating the source of the rumors, it might come out that Johnny once joked about that, but never actually did it. Someone overheard the joke, the story grew from there, but there was never anything to it. Unless Wells and Goodell were investigating this story. Then they would decide the story was true, despite there being no evidence, and suspend Johnny Switchblade from school for 4 weeks.


There was a conversation between McNally and Jastremski where McNally told J that he (meaning his boss the equipment manager) must be working his balls over hard. It's a pun. He is referring to J's testicles. It's a joke. J tells McNally "I've got a big needle for you". It's also a pun. The needle referred to his "big" penis. Wells (Inspector Clouseau) questioned what the "big needle" was being used for. Obviously, that "needle" must be up to no good. The idiot took a **** joke for evidence of a conspiracy and people bought it including a couple of judges. This idiotic accusation might be the dumbest accusation of wrong doing in the history of mankind.
 
There was a conversation between McNally and Jastremski where McNally told J that he (meaning his boss the equipment manager) must be working his balls over hard. It's a pun. He is referring to J's testicles. It's a joke. J tells McNally "I've got a big needle for you". It's also a pun. The needle referred to his "big" penis. Wells (Inspector Clouseau) questioned what the "big needle" was being used for. Obviously, that "needle" must be up to no good. The idiot took a **** joke for evidence of a conspiracy and people bought it including a couple of judges. This idiotic accusation might be the dumbest accusation of wrong doing in the history of mankind.

They were also clearly mocking brady's perfectionism regarding how he wants the footballs to be prior to gametime.

Anyone with a high school diploma can see that, which is why they removed the context around the text exchange.

Goodell isn't fooling anyone.
 
If the Pats get railroaded again, it will be because they keep winning.

What Sheriff Goebbels is doing is still illegal. Defrauding the NFL customer by lying and colluding with other NFL teams is illegal.

It is not only for their competitive gain, but from Sheriff Goebbels's point of view, it is for financial gain to get the Jaguars in London sooner rather than later.

He has spent the last decade telling London investors that a dynasty and the Pats are done, there is great parity, and that a team like jax can win a Super Bowl.

10 years later, that is only not the case, but the N American market is over-saturated witha horrendous TNF product and some teams not seeing the ROI they expected, while Kraft leads the way.

The only reason the pathetic Skins and Cowboys also rake it in is because of longstanding fanbases and the brands formed decades earlier.
 
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