Would you like Coby Fleener as a no2 TE?

Ivan said:

and Brady wanted nothing to do with him when it mattered down the stretch. .

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Denver and Philadelphia games somewhat disagree with this and the last 3 games of the season he was injured.

I'm not advocating for him or anything, i'd be all for bringing someone else in, hell i'd even rather give AJ Derby a chance and save $2m in cap space. But unless it is Antonio Gates I think people should temper expectations of the #2 TE when the offense isn't a 2-TE passing offense.

JMC00 said:

Denver and Philadelphia games disagree with this

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And then he didn't have a single reception for the 6 games that followed those two games, I.e..the rest of the season.

JMC00 said:

You people that thought he was gonna have some huge impact fooled yourselves... Not me. I only saw him as a backup to Gronk and possibly another big red zone target...

As for him getting half his stats in games Gronk missed, well then he met my expectation of being a competent backup to Gronk and stepping up when Gronk was out...

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Ok, but here's the thing, I thought he sucked all along so I don't know you're referring to as you people. If 9 drops in two games is your idea of a competent backup I don't know what to tell you other than it's not good, especially when you add in his non existent blocking.

Fleener isn't all that much better. Bad blocker, bad hands, doesn't do much after the catch. Dwayne Allen would be a better fit..and cheaper.

JMC00 said:

Denver and Philadelphia games somewhat disagree with this and the last 3 games of the season he was injured.

I'm not advocating for him or anything, i'd be all for bringing someone else in, hell i'd even rather give AJ Derby a chance and save $2m in cap space. But unless it is Antonio Gates I think people should temper expectations of the #2 TE when the offense isn't a 2-TE passing offense.

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I think Belichick would love a good move TE because it really enables the no huddle offense, that's why he gave the murderer big money, the problem is finding one. Unlike many here I would look hard at Bennett if the Bears release him. I would take a long look at a Allen as well.

dannydyn said:

Antonio Gates at vet min is a MUCH better option.

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If Gates is willing to take the veteran minimum, he is going to remain a Charger.

Actually, I think if I am going for a Colts TE, I might go for Dwayne Allen. He is coming off a down year (probably because of the QB situation), but he was a great red zone target in 2014. He will come much cheaper than Fleener.

Rob0729 said:

Actually, I think if I am going for a Colts TE, I might go for Dwayne Allen. He is coming off a down year (probably because of the QB situation), but he was a great red zone target in 2014. He will come much cheaper than Fleener.

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Yeah, Allen is potentially the better TE but could come cheaper due to the issues last year and injury I believe. I would take Allen over Fleener too.

That said, I think Fleener could be successful here too. Just don't wanna pay much for him.

dannydyn said:

Antonio Gates at vet min is a MUCH better option.

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Have to disagree Cousin. Gates approaches 40 (35) and Fleener is 27. Fleener has averaged 5o catches in the last three seasons and he has not been the featured receiver. This year Luck has been injured and he still had a decent year. AH was NOT a blocker. He got in the way. Fleener is 6'6" and 251lbs with 4.51 speed. He is bigger to get in the way. Did Chandler block anybody?

This of him as the AH "H" back with more speed and size. Hernadez ran a 6.83 3 cone to 7.02 for Fleener, but Fleener's 10 yard split was only 1.56 to 1.65 for AH. AH ran a 4.64 40 again compared to 4.51. Fleener would be our second fastest receiver after Edelman.

Think upgrade on Chandler and a real Red Zone nightmare with Gronk.

Again, Fleener is still young and can upgrade his blocking skills. I do not know if Gates is much of a blocker.

Fleener has played in every game the last three years. Gates missed 5 games in 2015. You sure Gtaes is MUCH better? In the past your are correct but age is apparent and the Chargers will resign Gates anyway.
DW Toys

Money wise would rather kick the tires on Dwayne Allen.

Jamie Collins would probably get bored of owning him in practice all week long.

I like Allen over Fleener too, but I think that a move TE (basically a big receiver) can be more useful than a traditional TE. If you want your TE to block you use Williams!

JMC00 said:

You people that thought he was gonna have some huge impact fooled yourselves... Not me. I only saw him as a backup to Gronk and possibly another big red zone target...

As for him getting half his stats in games Gronk missed, well then he met my expectation of being a competent backup to Gronk and stepping up when Gronk was out...

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Chandler was a 30/40 catch guy 400yds 5 TD guy here at most.

Whether it be due to injury, Brady's trust or just not comfortable in the offense he didn't meet those expectations.

I knew he had very average hands but they were sub-standard here.

I think Fleener would be an upgrade.

I think Fleener wouldn't want to come here anyway. He's still young enough to go get paid and have more opportunities to catch the ball elsewhere. That won't be the case here, especially if Forte signs and an outside threat. Allen would make more sense for both players and team. As for blocking, Gronk and Williams do ok.

robertweathers said:

Chandler was a 30/40 catch guy 400yds 5 TD guy here at most.

Whether it be due to injury, Brady's trust or just not comfortable in the offense he didn't meet those expectations.

I knew he had very average hands but they were sub-standard here.

I think Fleener would be an upgrade.

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I think the idea of a move TE appeals to McDaniels. Chandler is an almost 4.9 40, or about as fast as Nate Solder. If you are an "H" back you need to have some speed to get open. Fleener's ten yard split was actually faster than Hernandez and he is 6'6" and 251lbs. With 4.51 speed he is a threat.

Picture this formation. Gronk and Fleener light up tight and split out in motion presnap. Now Wade Phillips, what do you do?

Actually the best think they can do to get some elbow room for Gronk so that he is not triple teamed (see playoffs) is Fleener.

I think Allen gives you no more than Chandler in skill set or production.

I will go one better. Cousins on this forum hate this move but add Mike Wallace to Gronk and Fleener. He is a CAP cut in Minn. With Tannehill in two years he caught 140 passes and had 15TDs. That is with the very inconstant Tannehill on a losing Team! The Vikings staff say he has been a good soldier but they are a run first and noodle armed QB Team. He is only 29. I would take him over any WR we can get at #60 in the Draft that will take a few years to develop.

Picture Fleener and Gronk tight with Wallace split wide and JE in the slot. Now in the backfield you have Lewis and maybe Forte. Lewis had 36 catches in 7 games. Forte is capable of even more. The problem for the offense was that when Blount or even Bolden came in, the defense relaxed on running back in the pattern.

Now you have to build the O Line and consider a few FA there.

Fleener changes the dynamic of the Offense. Hey we can't get them all but it is a nice thought.
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DW Toys said:

I think the idea of a move TE appeals to McDaniels. Chandler is an almost 4.9 40, or about as fast as Nate Solder. If you are an "H" back you need to have some speed to get open. Fleener's ten yard split was actually faster than Hernandez and he is 6'6" and 251lbs. With 4.51 speed he is a threat.

Picture this formation. Gronk and Fleener light up tight and split out in motion presnap. Now Wade Phillips, what do you do?

Actually the best think they can do to get some elbow room for Gronk so that he is not triple teamed (see playoffs) is Fleener.

I think Allen gives you no more than Chandler in skill set or production.

I will go one better. Cousins on this forum hate this move but add Mike Wallace to Gronk and Fleener. He is a CAP cut in Minn. With Tannehill in two years he caught 140 passes and had 15TDs. That is with the very inconstant Tannehill on a losing Team! The Vikings staff say he has been a good soldier but they are a run first and noodle armed QB Team. He is only 29. I would take him over any WR we can get at #60 in the Draft that will take a few years to develop.

Picture Fleener and Gronk tight with Wallace split wide and JE in the slot. Now in the backfield you have Lewis and maybe Forte. Lewis had 36 catches in 7 games. Forte is capable of even more. The problem for the offense was that when Blount or even Bolden came in, the defense relaxed on running back in the pattern.

Now you have to build the O Line and consider a few FA there.

Fleener changes the dynamic of the Offense. Hey we can't get them all but it is a nice thought.
DW Toys

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Providing they get the line to the point that they can pass block longer than 1.7 seconds Wallace here is intriguing but I dont think they'll meet his market rate ....$4m/per?

It's gonna be difficult to find a #2 TE good in both blocking and catching passes. In my opinion catching is the skill set I would look for this spot, and try to improve his blocking whomever the player is. A pure blocking TE in the line doesn't offer any pass catching threat and it's easy to scheme against.

DW Toys said:

Have to disagree Cousin. Gates approaches 40 (35) and Fleener is 27. Fleener has averaged 5o catches in the last three seasons and he has not been the featured receiver. This year Luck has been injured and he still had a decent year. AH was NOT a blocker. He got in the way. Fleener is 6'6" and 251lbs with 4.51 speed. He is bigger to get in the way. Did Chandler block anybody?

This of him as the AH "H" back with more speed and size. Hernadez ran a 6.83 3 cone to 7.02 for Fleener, but Fleener's 10 yard split was only 1.56 to 1.65 for AH. AH ran a 4.64 40 again compared to 4.51. Fleener would be our second fastest receiver after Edelman.

Think upgrade on Chandler and a real Red Zone nightmare with Gronk.

Again, Fleener is still young and can upgrade his blocking skills. I do not know if Gates is much of a blocker.

Fleener has played in every game the last three years. Gates missed 5 games in 2015. You sure Gtaes is MUCH better? In the past your are correct but age is apparent and the Chargers will resign Gates anyway.
DW Toys

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We've seen Fleener play at the NFL level, so why are you wasting time with combine numbers?

I'd look at Watson before Gates

other's I would consider:
Zach Miller
Dwayne allen


but my first choice would be to draft

varjao said:

It's gonna be difficult to find a #2 TE good in both blocking and catching passes. In my opinion catching is the skill set I would look for this spot, and try to improve his blocking whomever the player is. A pure blocking TE in the line doesn't offer any pass catching threat and it's easy to scheme against.

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the blocking TE becomes less of an issue if Develin comes back to the roster

DW Toys said:

I think the idea of a move TE appeals to McDaniels. Chandler is an almost 4.9 40, or about as fast as Nate Solder. If you are an "H" back you need to have some speed to get open. Fleener's ten yard split was actually faster than Hernandez and he is 6'6" and 251lbs. With 4.51 speed he is a threat.

Picture this formation. Gronk and Fleener light up tight and split out in motion presnap. Now Wade Phillips, what do you do?

Actually the best think they can do to get some elbow room for Gronk so that he is not triple teamed (see playoffs) is Fleener.

I think Allen gives you no more than Chandler in skill set or production.

I will go one better. Cousins on this forum hate this move but add Mike Wallace to Gronk and Fleener. He is a CAP cut in Minn. With Tannehill in two years he caught 140 passes and had 15TDs. That is with the very inconstant Tannehill on a losing Team! The Vikings staff say he has been a good soldier but they are a run first and noodle armed QB Team. He is only 29. I would take him over any WR we can get at #60 in the Draft that will take a few years to develop.

Picture Fleener and Gronk tight with Wallace split wide and JE in the slot. Now in the backfield you have Lewis and maybe Forte. Lewis had 36 catches in 7 games. Forte is capable of even more. The problem for the offense was that when Blount or even Bolden came in, the defense relaxed on running back in the pattern.

Now you have to build the O Line and consider a few FA there.

Fleener changes the dynamic of the Offense. Hey we can't get them all but it is a nice thought.
DW Toys

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Fleener will likely resign with the Colts. The price tag for TE's is already pretty high this offseason and I'm sure the Colts and their dipshit GM will be willing to pay Fleener as a TE1 more than the Patriots would as a TE2. Secondly, Fleener has poor hands and is not a good route runner so he wouldn't be a good fit for the Patriots despite the athleticism.

Allen is a much better football player than Chandler IMO, saying they have the same skill set is silly. I also think he'd be better fit for this offense than Fleener would be (based on hands, route running and blocking).

Wouldn't hate them signing Wallace, almost anything would be an improvement over what they have now.