Reiss: Stomach bug ended Rufus Johnson's season

Triumph said:

Could be Ebola too.

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Don't be stupid. I am not suggesting that. I am just saying it isn't a simple stomach bug. Only an idiot would believe that story with three players missing three plus games each.

rochrist said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but no one has reported Wendell as having this thing, whatever it is. For that matter, Reiss qualifies his report as 'I'm not sure it's the same illness' in his report about Johnson. So we don't actually know that the way you've couched it is accurate. But, assuming it is, why would that be so hard to believe? I'm willing to bet it hasn't happened to any other team THIS year, but I'd be willing to bet that it's happened before. And whatever it is, it isn't the flu. I'm not sure what all these other possibilities are though that meet the described symptoms.

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Again name me the player on any other team who has been out for 3-4 weeks with an "illness". The Pats have had three.

It is hard to believe because I have never seen a single player in the NFL missing three plus games because of illnesses that wasn't MRSA, cancer, or mono or something more serious than a virus. The Pats have had three this year.

It doesn't have to be something as serious as MRSA, but it isn't a simple bug either.

And on that note, when has a player had to rehab offsite for a week to get his strength and weigh back after a stomach bug like Collins is doing?

Rob0729 said:

Don't be stupid. I am not suggesting that. I am just saying it isn't a simple stomach bug. Only an idiot would believe that story with three players missing three plus games each.

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I don't believe youre not an idiot.

Keep banging your MRSA drum.

Triumph said:

I don't believe youre not an idiot.

Keep banging your MRSA drum.

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Huh?!? When am I beating a MRSA drum? I said I don't believe it is MRSA. I just said I don't believe it was a simple stomach flu either. I think it something worse than the flu, but not as bad as MRSA.

And I don't care who you think because I know you are an idiot if you think I am beating the MRSA drum when I said repeatedly I don't believe it is MRSA.

Reading comprehension, buddy. Get some.

Rob0729 said:

Again name me the player on any other team who has been out for 3-4 weeks with an "illness". The Pats have had three.

It is hard to believe because I have never seen a single player in the NFL missing three plus games because of illnesses that wasn't MRSA, cancer, or mono or something more serious than a virus. The Pats have had three this year.

It doesn't have to be something as serious as MRSA, but it isn't a simple bug either.

And on that note, when has a player had to rehab offsite for a week to get his strength and weigh back after a stomach bug like Collins is doing?

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Obviously it isn't a simple bug. No one has said it was. I'm not sure where you're trying to go with this? Is it unusual? Absolutely? Ok, now what?

rochrist said:

Obviously it isn't a simple bug. No one has said it was. I'm not sure where you're trying to go with this? Is it unusual? Absolutely? Ok, now what?

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If you are agreeing with me, then why are you trying to argue with me? I not sure where YOU are trying to go with this.

Rob0729 said:

If you are agreeing with me, then why are you trying to argue with me? I not sure where YOU are trying to go with this.

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I guess I'm arguing with the vague impression that something VERY STRANGE is going on. I think it's fairly unusual, but I bet there's more of it around than you're aware of. They're just unlucky this year.

Rob0729 said:

Huh?!? When am I beating a MRSA drum? I said I don't believe it is MRSA. I just said I don't believe it was a simple stomach flu either. I think it something worse than the flu, but not as bad as MRSA.

And I don't care who you think because I know you are an idiot if you think I am beating the MRSA drum when I said repeatedly I don't believe it is MRSA.

Reading comprehension, buddy. Get some.

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Because you have used the term, just you individually, twice as much in this one thread as has the entire rest of the Board community in every post for the past five years. It is like some kind of propaganda tactic. Just keep bringing it up in the context of a denial and you build its credibility.

I don't know why you continue to ignore the medical information that's being brought by knowledgeable people here. Nor do I know what a "simple stomach bug" is...viruses are all pretty simple organisms, regardless of the impact that have on humans. And yes, it is not uncommon for a virus that attacks the digestive system to lay people to waste for weeks and leave them dehydrated and with less muscle mass. An office worker could go back to work from that faster than a professional athlete, and people are very different in their degree of illness and rapidity to recovery.

Rob0729 said:

Huh?!? When am I beating a MRSA drum? I said I don't believe it is MRSA. I just said I don't believe it was a simple stomach flu either. I think it something worse than the flu, but not as bad as MRSA.

And I don't care who you think because I know you are an idiot if you think I am beating the MRSA drum when I said repeatedly I don't believe it is MRSA.

Reading comprehension, buddy. Get some.

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You started a separate MRSA thread last week. If you do not believe Collins has MRSA why even bring up the possibility?

Now again, the same moronic nonsense in this thread. Youre are not a Doctor and god help us if your were.

AndyJohnson said:

How much money you have doesn't matter to a virus


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Viruses attack anyone i know this, but you cant tell me 3 players get knocked out for an extended period of time (2 for the season) because of it.

betterthanthealternative said:

Because you have used the term, just you individually, twice as much in this one thread as has the entire rest of the Board community in every post for the past five years. It is like some kind of propaganda tactic. Just keep bringing it up in the context of a denial and you build its credibility.

I don't know why you continue to ignore the medical information that's being brought by knowledgeable people here. Nor do I know what a "simple stomach bug" is...viruses are all pretty simple organisms, regardless of the impact that have on humans. And yes, it is not uncommon for a virus that attacks the digestive system to lay people to waste for weeks and leave them dehydrated and with less muscle mass. An office worker could go back to work from that faster than a professional athlete, and people are very different in their degree of illness and rapidity to recovery.

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Yes, I used the word MRSA when I said that everyone said it isn't MRSA and I accept that there isn't a MRSA outbreak in the Patriots' locker room. Clearly I am trying to implicate it is MRSA when I say that I don't believe it is MRSA. It is master plan to discredit the Patriots into making everyone think there is a MRSA outbreak.

And where am I disagreeing with anyone who has medical knowledge on this issue other than I accidentally stated that MRSA was a virus where it clearly isn't.

Triumph said:

You started a separate MRSA thread last week. If you do not believe Collins has MRSA why even bring up the possibility?

Now again, the same moronic nonsense in this thread. Youre are not a Doctor and god help us if your were.

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I stated last week that I heard on the radio from Chris Gasper that there are rumors going around that there was a MRSA outbreak. I was just stating what I heard on the air. BTW, Dale Arnold reiterated the rumor later in the week. If you have a problem with MRSA being brought up, blame the media who started it.

And I didn't start this thread. I am just stating something unusual is going on here because the Pats have had one player go to IR from a stomach flu and two others miss 3 plus weeks due to illness. Something is going on here more than we know. I don't think it is MRSA.

And with some of the ridiculously stupid negative crap you have posted on this site over the years, I bet many people here wish I was your doctor.

I dont get why Rob getting jumped here. He brought up MRSA a few weeks ago after Chris Gasper said he heard whispers it was going around in the locker room. It was a legitimate discussion to have, esp considering our best defensive player (in my eyes) was rumored out with an illness.


It could be just a terrible bug going around, but multiple professional athletes missing significant time because of it just sounds strange.

rochrist said:

I guess I'm arguing with the vague impression that something VERY STRANGE is going on. I think it's fairly unusual, but I bet there's more of it around than you're aware of. They're just unlucky this year.

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And then you agree with me. I am not saying anything any different. Maybe just a different tone.

None of us knows what's going on, but I don't just buy the official explanation (which really isn't official anyway since it is reporters reporting sources). I have never seen anything like this ever.

AzorianPats said:

I dont get why Rob getting jumped here. He brought up MRSA a few weeks ago after Chris Gasper said he heard whispers it was going around in the locker room. It was a legitimate discussion to have, esp considering our best defensive player (in my eyes) was rumored out with an illness.


It could be just a terrible bug going around, but multiple professional athletes missing significant time because of it just sounds strange.

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Thanks. When the media are bringing up MRSA rumors and you have not one, not two, but three players with long term illnesses, I don't get why more people aren't questioning what is going on here.

I think the MRSA rumors have been debunked, but there is something strange here. With Johnson getting IRed due to illness and no sign of Collins with him missing his third game, I don't know why it is wrong to question what is going on here.

I have been watching the NFL for three decades and I have never seen anything like this.

For the record, im going to assume Wendell didnt end up on IR with what they're saying Johnson has. He was doing that show on CSNNE with Giardi and Koppen up until they placed him on IR.

I do research on infectious diseases in my day job.

To me this sounds like norovirus. As others have said, it doesn't discriminate with respect to its host. It has evolved to infect and then cause severe vomiting so it can spread itself to the next host.

Usually the body clears the infection pretty quickly, 1-2 weeks at most. Collins has been out longer than that but I doubt he is still infected. The problems for Collins specifically are loss of strength and dehydration which can last longer than the infection, and is probably a primary reason he hasn't come back.

The larger problem is the possibility of noro spreading to other team members. An individual may have no symptoms of a norovirus infection but could still shed the virus asymptomatically for weeks. This is incredibly serious for the success of the team this year and is absolutely a reason to keep Collins out for as long as possible. Team doctors can detect whether he is still shedding virus and shouldn't let him around anyone as long as that is the case. Obviously we can't have anyone else suffer from this, so we should err on the side of caution as much as possible. Our current playoff seeding certainly helps give us this luxury. Here's an abstract (many other similar out there too) talking about this sort of thing.

Shedding of norovirus in symptomatic and asymptomatic infections. - PubMed - NCBI

Like others have said, sending Rufus Johnson to IR could just be a case of needing that roster spot and not knowing how long he'll be infectious. Collins is critical to our success, so they're going to take different measures with him.

A couple other things: "Stomach bug" is a catch-all term that often means norovirus if it's a viral bug, but could be bacterial if it's from food poisoning (see Chipoltle recently). If this were MRSA it'd be extremely hard to hide it from the media, look at what happened to Tampa Bay a couple years ago; that was a huge deal.

Rob0729 said:

I am just saying it isn't a simple stomach bug. Only an idiot would believe that story with three players missing three plus games each.

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Since he was around during his illness, there is no reason to lump Wendell in this group.

There are a near limitless number of things that it could be if all we rule out is "stomach bug" (whatever that really means) and MRSA, so saying what it isn't doesn't do much. What are you saying the illness is?

maybe c. diff? :-\

C. diff: Causes, Symptoms, and Treatments

It's a very serious disease that is very hard to treat until recent treatments using stool transplants (yes, stool transplants), and even with that, think it's considered a very serious disease.

Not a virus, bacterial, but is up there with MRSA for difficulty to treat with antibiotics.

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TB_Helmet said:

I do research on infectious diseases in my day job.

To me this sounds like norovirus. As others have said, it doesn't discriminate with respect to its host. It has evolved to infect and then cause severe vomiting so it can spread itself to the next host.

Usually the body clears the infection pretty quickly, 1-2 weeks at most. Collins has been out longer than that but I doubt he is still infected. The problems for Collins specifically are loss of strength and dehydration which can last longer than the infection, and is probably a primary reason he hasn't come back.

The larger problem is the possibility of noro spreading to other team members. An individual may have no symptoms of a norovirus infection but could still shed the virus asymptomatically for weeks. This is incredibly serious for the success of the team this year and is absolutely a reason to keep Collins out for as long as possible. Team doctors can detect whether he is still shedding virus and shouldn't let him around anyone as long as that is the case. Obviously we can't have anyone else suffer from this, so we should err on the side of caution as much as possible. Our current playoff seeding certainly helps give us this luxury. Here's an abstract (many other similar out there too) talking about this sort of thing.

Shedding of norovirus in symptomatic and asymptomatic infections. - PubMed - NCBI

Like others have said, sending Rufus Johnson to IR could just be a case of needing that roster spot and not knowing how long he'll be infectious. Collins is critical to our success, so they're going to take different measures with him.

A couple other things: "Stomach bug" is a catch-all term that often means norovirus if it's a viral bug, but could be bacterial if it's from food poisoning (see Chipoltle recently). If this were MRSA it'd be extremely hard to hide it from the media, look at what happened to Tampa Bay a couple years ago; that was a huge deal.

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Everything I've seen is more like 2-3 days for norovirus, not weeks. Which is why I'd question it being that. Frankly, it people weren't saying it was a virus, it sounds something like amoebic dysentary, That would certainly last long enough and be disabling enough to match this.