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The "new" allegations: Stealing playcall sheets and screwing with communications.


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I feel that too many people here are focusing too much on the rehashed Spygate stuff in the OTL report. We all know what the deal is regarding that and how none of it was actually cheating or even breaking the rules until at least the 2006 memo, and even then it just mattered where signals were filmed. Thats all a known commodity and that "news" will blow over soon enough because it is nothing new. The same applies to the weird gamesmanship of Belichick allegedly having spies at the team airports to see who is making the trip. Not against the rules in any way, and actually kind of funny. That stuff will all blow over.

The important thing to come out of today is the allegation that the Patriots had been habitually stealing playsheets from opponents locker rooms and interfering with the wireless communication of other teams. While there have been quiet whispers about these kinds of things from disgruntled teams nothing ever came out of them because there was nothing to cooberate them.

But I feel today's report is different. Now I want to preface this with saying that I don't believe that the Patriots actually did anything improper. But keep in mind that the report was the end result of an investigation by a highly esteemed and all around upstanding investigative journalist. One who has won two Pulitzers and a Peabody award. He is not a hack and does not seem to be the kind of guy who would outright lie and fabricate information. If he claims to have sources from former team employees and coaches then I am hesitant to outright dismiss them. And while they are the dreaded "unnamed sources" don't forget the immense importance of anonymous sources in journalism and how critical they are for any real shot at investigative reporting in pretty much any context. You cannot just always throw away anonymous sources out of hand. Especially when reported by as credible a journalist as this man appears to be. And also especially when it isn't one, or two, but apparently dozens.

At the same time people are claiming that this is just damage control by Goodell. I don't believe it because this report alleges that Goodell is even more corrupt then ever and literally in the pockets of the Patriots, letting them skate on numerous rules violations. I hardly believe he would want ESPN to be trashing him so thoroughly. So I don't know if it's really retaliation by him.

So this is what we as Patriots fans now have to be concerned about. These are the claims that will be on the nightly news and cast a shadow over the team going forward. That the team stole playsheets, allowing them to know the first 12ish plays of a team, and interfered with wireless communication. These acts would indeed be outright cheating. So where did these allegations come from, who made them, and is there any drop of truth in them?

So, that's where we are. And it f.uckig sucks more than I can articulate, especially since we were feeling so damn good about Brady being vindicated.
 
Nothing is really new here. Jimmy Johnson said he did the playbook thing, and Bill Walsh was known for the communication thing.

All of this stuff falls in the fun "gamesmanship" category that used to exist. But since the money got huge and Goodell took over, it became the No Fun League - coaches too, not just players. Now everything is a serious violation of league integrity.

Well, unless it involves the Jets, then it's just gamesmanship.

Remember when Jay Howell was caught with pine tar in the 1988 NLCS? He was suspended for 1 game, and we all had a good laugh about it. How does Goodell handle that in today's NFL?
 
If these are issues, then could you imagine the outrage if a team who was great for fifteen years because they rewarded for sucking and got a once-in-a-generation QB, decided to throw a season, so they would be guaranteed another fifteen years with a second once-in-a-generation QB? Man that would make these seem petty and silly.
 
Could you imagine if these owners were as good at owning successful football teams as they were at smearing and discrediting the New England Patriots?
 
If these are issues, then could you imagine the outrage if a team who was great for fifteen years because they rewarded for sucking and got a once-in-a-generation QB, decided to throw a season, so they would be guaranteed another fifteen years with a second once-in-a-generation QB? Man that would make these seem petty and silly.
I agree more than words can express
 
All of this stuff falls in the fun "gamesmanship" category that used to exist. But since the money got huge and Goodell took over, it became the No Fun League - coaches too, not just players. Now everything is a serious violation of league integrity.

Precisely. Read about coaches in the 70s and 80s and there are fawning references to all sorts of line stepping and rule breaking. ****, you'll hear glowing reports of things players are being coached to do on the field. It's only when the Patriots do anything that it becomes a big deal.

Imagine a baseball team being caught definitively stealing the signs from the 3rd base coach, or perhaps a runner on second tipping off the batter what the catcher called.... that's basically what is at stake here, except in our fantasy world all the other teams feign horror that anyone would desecrate their hallowed game in such a manner. No wonder they always seem to know what pitch is coming. :rolleyes:
 
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What do these former coaches/players have to hide? Out yourself and own up to anything illegal you did or saw someone else do. Cowards
 
What a surprise....unsubstantiatable rumors from anonymous people unveiled as part of the ongoing smear campaign!
 
Everyone knew the Patriots would send someone into the locker room before the game to steal playbooks. So, they would either make fake plays or just let them steal it, instead of either not leaving it there or having someone stay in the locker room.
 
People have been alleging that the Patriots steal their playcall sheets and jam their communications for ages. People have alleged that other teams do the same stuff for even longer than that. To date, nobody has dug up anyone willing to go on the record about either claim, which makes all of this still a bunch of unsubstantiated nonsense, alongside "the Pats plant listening devices in opposing locker rooms" and random other crap that has no actual evidence behind it. The one time someone thought they had a source willing to go on the record re: shenanigans (Matt Walsh re: walkthrough taping), he ultimately admitted that he didn't have what he insinuated he might have, and the truth was actually pretty innocuous and well within the rules.

Just because the OTL report spoke to some former coaches doesn't mean it was the former coaches who put this stuff out there. This is the same outlet that reported 11 of 12 balls being 2 PSI under as a fact from unnamed sources, and it's the same article that unambiguously--and wrongly--claims that filming signals is illegal.

There's nothing new here, no matter how much ESPN would like to pretend otherwise. At least the SI article had the sense to acknowledge that 90% of the **** it was throwing out there wasn't actually against the rules and was the same kind of gamesmanship that every celebrated coach in league history had a hand in, to some extent or another.

But now outrage culture has infected football, just like it's infected everything else. Being delivered warm Gatorade is now 'proof' that the Pats are operating outside the boundaries of sportsmanship and violating the sacred spirit of the game.
 
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What a surprise....unsubstantiatable rumors from anonymous people unveiled as part of the ongoing smear campaign!

The reporter is internationally renowned and has won two Pullitzer prizes. It be foolish to just dismiss him.
 
The ironic thing is that if this ever starts to go anywhere real, Goodell is going to be on the Pats' side in denying everything because this makes him look at least as bad as it tries to make NE look.
 
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