Anonymous NFL Owner: Deflategate Has Been ‘Embarrassing To Our League’

RayClay said:

Had Kraft appealed, we would be sitting 0-2 on appeals now.

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Most likely we would.
But that is a straw person.

Advocates of appealing saw it as supporting his QB, not winning the appeal. As a result of Kraft surrendering he fed ammo against Tom's reputation to the outside of NE fan base. I know because I've heard it.

RayClay said:

32 people appointed Goodell and gave him unlimited power over them. Commissioners have had this power for decades.

No one who didn't find a way to fire Goodell before, assuming they were clairvoyant and knew he was going to go insane, was right. Nevertheless, it would take over 20 owners, not 1.

I think Kraft, after settling the CBA and negotiating all the media contracts, assumed Goodell was at least appreciative, if not in his control. I think Kraft was shocked at the initial charge and more shocked at the punishment, so was I. he's from the business world, when a powerful person relies on someone to do all he takes credit for, it's not logical to turn around and screw him.

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Do you disagree that Kraft should have learned from Spygate?
Do you disagree that Goodell is the only Commissioner that has abused the power, and stretched it beyond what any other had, thereby in essence granting himself more power than he was given?
Do you disagree that with as much as is at stake for the Commissioner of the NFL that is not unreasonable to expect them to hire one who will no go insane? He didn't change, he was always this guy.

RayClay said:

Had Kraft appealed, we would be sitting 0-2 on appeals now.

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You have no way of knowing that.
First you do not know the result, and second you do not know what impact that appeal would have had on Brady's.
You can't say "I'm right he shouldn't do it because I know what the result would have been, and therefore I'm right" Well, Lester Munson could, but you are smarter than that.

PatsWickedPissah said:

Most likely we would.
But that is a straw person.

Advocates of appealing saw it as supporting his QB, not winning the appeal. As a result of Kraft surrendering he fed ammo against Tom's reputation to the outside of NE fan base. I know because I've heard it.

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NFL used it in the Brady case.
"The Patriots were penalized, and Robert Kraft chose not to appeal" used as a piece of evidence of guilt.

AndyJohnson said:

You have no way of knowing that.
First you do not know the result, and second you do not know what impact that appeal would have had on Brady's.
You can't say "I'm right he shouldn't do it because I know what the result would have been, and therefore I'm right" Well, Lester Munson could, but you are smarter than that.

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So you still think Goodell would have been a fair arbiter to

one person with no union behind him,
who he'd just finished talking to at the owners meeting.

That's your right, believe what you want.

AndyJohnson said:

"The Patriots were penalized, and Robert Kraft chose not to appeal" used as a piece of evidence of guilt.

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How would, Patriots and Kraft lose appeal, have been seen?

RayClay said:

How would, Patriots and Kraft lose appeal, have been seen?

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We'll never know. Could not be worse.

RayClay said:

So you still think Goodell would have been a fair arbiter to

one person with no union behind him,
who he'd just finished talking to at the owners meeting.

That's your right, believe what you want.

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Again,you don't know.
Would Goodell treat his boss the way he treats a player?
If Bob Kraft testified that nothing happened, would Goodell say he has no credibility?
If Kraft brought the Dorito Dink and Deflator in and they testified, wold that affect things?
If Kraft paid for his own independent investigation, and/or scientific analysis that shot down Exponent, would Goodell dismiss it?
This is his boss, not a representative of the enemy (the players).
You have no way at all of knowing how differently it would have gone.
The mere fact that Goodell and the other owners coerced him to not appeal says he had a chance.

RayClay said:

How would, Patriots and Kraft lose appeal, have been seen?

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Certainly no worse than admitting guilt.
What if he had raised valid points? What if he had won, even a little?
What if he lost, but the manner in which Goodell analyzed the evidence pointed away from Brady?
Nothing could have been worse for Brady that "Owner of NEP gives up"

AndyJohnson said:

Do you disagree that Kraft should have learned from Spygate?
Do you disagree that Goodell is the only Commissioner that has abused the power, and stretched it beyond what any other had, thereby in essence granting himself more power than he was given?
Do you disagree that with as much as is at stake for the Commissioner of the NFL that is not unreasonable to expect them to hire one who will no go insane? He didn't change, he was always this guy.

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Between 2007 and the present, Kraft was seen as the hero of the league, who negotiated the greatest media contracts ever and saved the league from the lockout from his wife's sick bed.

He was seen as the most powerful owner in football, if not all sports and his nick name was assistant commissioner. This is very easily proved by contemporary news articles, not by revisionist history that says nothing between 2007 and 2015 happened.

PatsWickedPissah said:

Most likely we would.
But that is a straw person.

Advocates of appealing saw it as supporting his QB, not winning the appeal. As a result of Kraft surrendering he fed ammo against Tom's reputation to the outside of NE fan base. I know because I've heard it.

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Conversely, Brady would have gone into the appeal, with his team just having lost an appeal of the same charge.

AndyJohnson said:

Certainly no worse than admitting guilt.
What if he had raised valid points? What if he had won, even a little?
What if he lost, but the manner in which Goodell analyzed the evidence pointed away from Brady?
Nothing could have been worse for Brady that "Owner of NEP gives up"

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He never admitted guilt.

find me that quote.

RayClay said:

Between 2007 and the present, Kraft was seen as the hero of the league, who negotiated the greatest media contracts ever and saved the league from the lockout from his wife's sick bed.

He was seen as the most powerful owner in football, if not all sports and his nick name was assistant commissioner. This is very easily proved by contemporary news articles, not by revisionist history that says nothing between 2007 and 2015 happened.

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That has nothing to do with Goodell.
Are you implying that since Kraft was effective in his role as an owner that means he should forget that Goodell royally screwed him in spygate? That makes no sense.

RayClay said:

He never admitted guilt.

find me that quote.

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Refusing to exercise your right to appeal is tantamount to admitting guilt, and the NFL lawyers used it that way in the Brady case.

RayClay said:

Conversely, Brady would have gone into the appeal, with his team just having lost an appeal of the same charge.

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You don't know that, and even if that were true, the team would have lost an appeal over 'more probably than not balls were deflated' not over Brady being 'generally aware'.

Its funny that Kraft admitted he was wrong and fans still want to argue he wasn't.

Clonamery said:

We'll never know. Could not be worse.

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I don't know, I think the NFLPA has a pretty good case with Brady. considering the judge and the populace would only know that we had lost an appeal on the very same charge I think it could have been worse.

AndyJohnson said:

Its funny that Kraft admitted he was wrong and fans still want to argue he wasn't.

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He admitted he should never have placed his faith in the league. You say he should have.

RayClay said:

He admitted he should never have placed his faith in the league. You say he should have.

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Huh?
Never should have placed faith in the league means he should have appealed.
You are saying he was right to put faith in the league and not appeal.

These are his words

I first and foremost need to apologize to our fans, because I truly believe what I did in May, given the actual evidence of the situation and the league’s history on discipline matters, would make it much easier for the league to exonerate Tom Brady.

“Unfortunately, I was wrong.”

He clearly says he was wrong in May. You are telling him he wasn't.

The bottom line was that Goodell and the other owner were blowing smoke up Kraft's butt for years and he was sucking it in. In reality, he had little or no influence or respect regarding competitive matters because he failed to stand up for BB in 2007 and call out the bully then. Contrast that with the influence supposed nobodies like Woody Johnson and Bisciotti have over on field punishments and you see where Kraft really stands.We will never know whether if he protested when the punishment came out would have any effect but we sure have a good idea how not protesting like a pathetic wimp turned out. Just wait for the next time Goodell and his henchmen fabricate another scandal to get BB, I have no doubt that if Bob is still around the results will the same.