Brady will be suspended by Roger Goodell for role in DeflateGate, announcement expected next week

PatsfanTN · May 11, 2015

Just watched reiss on the Herd, both he and Colin are hearing that it will come down today.

hambone1818 · May 11, 2015

PatsfanTN said:
Just watched reiss on the Herd, both he and Colin are hearing that it will come down today.

Wells report was released at almost exactly 1pm. I'd be surprised, if it's due today, if they didn't do the same with any penalties. Gives the talking heads the better part of the day--and all the peak news hours--to yell and scream at each other.

Sicilian · May 11, 2015

hambone1818 said:
Wells report was released at almost exactly 1pm. I'd be surprised, if it's due today, if they didn't do the same with any penalties. Gives the talking heads the better part of the day--and all the peak news hours--to yell and scream at each other.

It's also late enough that the west coast is in full swing too.

SVN · May 11, 2015

latest from florio

http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports...-brady-unavoidable-will-come-early-this-week/

“So what’s Tom hiding on his phone?” he continued. “He’s deliberately choosing conduct detrimental to the league, that’s what it is to fail to cooperate with this investigation, per se, conduct detrimental to the league. He’s choosing that. So if he’s choosing that, what would have happened if he’d gone the other path and surrendered the text messages and emails, what’s hiding on his phone?”

The argument that Brady didn’t want his private messages to surface is rendered fairly weak as Florio points out that the data collection company assigned to go through his phone “uses recipient names, sender names and search terms to draw up that information,” meaning that messages not relevant to the investigation are kept private.

“They did this with the Ray Rice case when Robert Mueller, the former FBI director, was brought in to find out what the NFL knew and when the NFL knew it,” Florio said. “Everybody turned over their phone. The commissioner turned over his phone, everybody turned over their phone, the Ravens, they turned over the phones no questions asked, no hesitation. The forensic firm lifted off the relevant information with the search terms and the recipient search and that was that, so if there are sensitive, private email messages between Tom Brady and his wife, his mom, anyone, those would be protected, unless he was admitting to his wife that he knows all there is to know about this and they’re just crossing their fingers and hoping they don’t get caught.

Can someone ask florio why jaz and his mom's messages were put in the report and if florio can gurantee nothing will come out of the phone messages which is private to TMZ or such later.? Why didnt D&C ask this?

hambone1818 · May 11, 2015

SVN said:
latest from florio

http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports...-brady-unavoidable-will-come-early-this-week/

So maddening.
“I look at it this way,” Florio said. “This investigation is dead without the text messages exchanged by Larry and Curly [John Jastremski and Jim McNally], they’re dead. They don’t have enough evidence to do anything based on the science. The science is junk on this, the text messages are what allowed them to come to the conclusion that something happened that shouldn’t have happened.

Why can't people get this through their thick skulls: if the science is junk on this then these context-devoid text messages mean NOTHING! If the Pats balls weren't tampered with, and there's nothing convincing in the report suggesting they were, then the texts are unneccesary garbage that merely show a couple of dunderheads talking **** back and forth.

Ugh, so maddening.

Soul_Survivor88 · May 11, 2015

Carmine Carcieri ‏@CESPN1 50s51 seconds ago Queens, NY
According to @JasonPhilCole, word around the league is Brady is likely to be hit with a heavy suspension that will be cut down to 2-3 games.

sieglo · May 11, 2015

Chiuba E. Obele said:

Please add a picture of Manning in there for sexually assaulting that trainer by dropping his junk onto her face.

SteveBsFan · May 11, 2015

I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but maybe Brady doesn't want to hand over his phone because the one thing more valuable than his brand is his wife's. Perhaps he has some stuff on his phone he doesn't want random people having access to? (doesn't even have to be scandalous, can just be simple nudes).

I know he can delete them, but who the hell knows if they can recover them or not.

Ring 6 · May 11, 2015

SteveBsFan said:
I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but maybe Brady doesn't want to hand over his phone because the one thing more valuable than his brand is his wife's. Perhaps he has some stuff on his phone he doesn't want random people having access to? (doesn't even have to be scandalous, can just be simple nudes).

I know he can delete them, but who the hell knows if they can recover them or not.

He handed over his phone during the interview, he just did not let them keep it.

The reason is clear, and as defensible as it gets.
The NFLPA collectively bargained that the NFL does not have subpoena power over them.
If Brady, as one of the leaders of the NFLPA (first named plaintiff in anti-trust suit) gives in and allows them to take his phone, precedent is set, and every future player trying to protect his rights will be subject to "Brady allowed it".

On another note, and as it so obvious from this report, the worst thing an innocent man can do is hand over a device that can be used to create evidence.
The only tie to Brady in this whole report is that a text mentioned 'he' was determined by Wells to be talking about Brady, when Jastremski said it was someone else AND THY CALLED AND CORROBORATED IT.
This was a search to find things that were vague, issue a ruling on what they meant, then turn them into evidence. They clearly were attempting to find texts by Brady that they could interpret in a way to support their conclusion, and then also call Bray a liar when his explanation of what the text meant 'wasn't credible'.

SteveBsFan · May 11, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
He handed over his phone during the interview, he just did not let them keep it.

The reason is clear, and as defensible as it gets.
The NFLPA collectively bargained that the NFL does not have subpoena power over them.
If Brady, as one of the leaders of the NFLPA (first named plaintiff in anti-trust suit) gives in and allows them to take his phone, precedent is set, and every future player trying to protect his rights will be subject to "Brady allowed it".

Very good point.

Personally, I think the phone thing is absurd, but I think the whole investigation is. I know I'm not alone with that thought, so I won't go off on a rant about it, but it is just becoming tough to be a fan of the NFL. If not for Belichick's constant FU's to the league, I'm not even sure I could watch the sport any longer. Once he retires, and we have some generic ass-kissing coach, I may wash my hands of the league.

JohninLynn · May 11, 2015

Who in their right mind would hand over any personal info/data/devices to the leak machine that is the NFL??

hambone1818 · May 11, 2015

Chiuba E. Obele said:
Carmine Carcieri ‏@CESPN1 50s51 seconds ago Queens, NY
According to @JasonPhilCole, word around the league is Brady is likely to be hit with a heavy suspension that will be cut down to 2-3 games.

Ugh, this would be disgusting. So suspension of 4-6, appealed to Goodell who reduces it to 2-3 and that's it?

If it plays out like that I'll be pissed. Not gonna stop watching the NFL, that'll never happen, but this league is a f*cking joke if that's the way it plays out. What an absolute sh*tshow, a witch hunt and framejob, simple as that.

The Gr8est · May 11, 2015

hambone1818 said:
Ugh, this would be disgusting. So suspension of 4-6, appealed to Goodell who reduces it to 2-3 and that's it?

If it plays out like that I'll be pissed. Not gonna stop watching the NFL, that'll never happen, but this league is a f*cking joke if that's the way it plays out. What an absolute sh*tshow, a witch hunt and framejob, simple as that.

I would stop watching. I already boycott any Superbowl that the Pats are not in; no sour grapes, I just don't want to support the league.

If someone close to you dies, you can go into denial and insist they are not dead but it doesn't change reality.

IF Brady is forced to accept a suspension with no more evidence than there is now, then the league is already dead.

JohninLynn · May 11, 2015

Brady gets suspended, Jimmy G lights it up....Pats could then trade either for a boatload of draft picks....

Oh, and how many of these Brady haters would trade their mother to have him?

Ring 6 · May 11, 2015

hambone1818 said:
Ugh, this would be disgusting. So suspension of 4-6, appealed to Goodell who reduces it to 2-3 and that's it?

If it plays out like that I'll be pissed. Not gonna stop watching the NFL, that'll never happen, but this league is a f*cking joke if that's the way it plays out. What an absolute sh*tshow, a witch hunt and framejob, simple as that.

Until Brady rejects Goodell's ruling and takes it to court.
Part of me wants the punishment to be severe so that Brady and the NFLPA has to take this to court.
Personally, a suspension of 1 play would justify that.

RobertWeathers · May 11, 2015

JohninLynn said:
Brady gets suspended, Jimmy G lights it up....Pats could then trade either for a boatload of draft picks....

Oh, and how many of these Brady haters would trade their mother to have him?

So true. If Kraft put Brady on the market with the exception of the Colts and maybe the Steelers, every team would want him. Those are the same fan bases that are calling him a cheater.

Hypocrites.

SeanBruschi54 · May 11, 2015

If any of that is true Im done with the NFL. They will not get my viewings for other games nor will they have me pay extra for Redzone etc.

The Gr8est · May 11, 2015

JohninLynn said:
Brady gets suspended, Jimmy G lights it up....Pats could then trade either for a boatload of draft picks....

Oh, and how many of these Brady haters would trade their mother to have him?

Nice thought, but it wouldn't restore the credibility of Goodell and the NFL.

hambone1818 · May 11, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
Until Brady rejects Goodell's ruling and takes it to court.
Part of me wants the punishment to be severe so that Brady and the NFLPA has to take this to court.
Personally, a suspension of 1 play would justify that.

Yeah, I'm with you, I've been hoping that all along. But we've seen over and over--Spygate being the most glaring example--that folks in the league lay down rather than make waves.

The fact that Goodell can ask his buddy to commission an 'independent' investigation, that he can then rule on punishment, and is then the sole individual who can hear an appeal, is so incredibly wrong it makes me furious. But as much as I want Brady to appeal any suspension and fight it in court, history doesn't suggest he'd drag it out like that.

I hope I'm wrong, but I could see 4-6, appealed to 2-3 and that's the end of it. What a joke that'd be.

Sciz · May 11, 2015

It's so dirty yet not surprising at all that they'd intentionally give a harsher initial punishment so it has a better chance of partially holding up upon appeal.

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