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Still in the post-SB glow, I'm thinking about Wes Welker and Logan Mankins, two guys that should have been on the roster in a more perfect world. I wonder how they took the latest championship, as a personal matter; and whether they have any regrets that they weren't on the team that finally brought the Lombardi home.

NFL is a business, and the players don't really have a lot of degrees of freedom in choosing their employers. Belichick is tougher to stick with than most. He has a history of cutting ties with players he values when their salary gets out of line with what he feels they can provide. Sentimentality doesn't come into play for him. And he doesn't pay for past performance, only for what he expects going forward.

To stay in Foxboro, as your play declines, you have to give money back. Bruschi took a pay cut in his last years. Troy Brown did too. Matt Light did too; and I suspect Light probably retired a year or two earlier than he really had to, once the Pats decided they didn't need him anymore. That's what it costs for core Pats players to actually finish their careers here.

Turns out, the Pats wanted to keep Welker on terms that sounded like a legitimate offer. He chose Denver instead. He could easily have played the role of Danny Amendola on the 2014 roster, if he'd been willing to put up with the likely decline in pay. Instead, he's been buried on the Denver depth chart, taking too many hits to the head, courtesy of Peyton, and seriously contemplating retirement as a result.

Mankins negotiated his contract tough and refused to cut his salary, making him a target for the Tampa trade. If he had given back some of his salary, no question he would have gotten a ring in 2014 instead of exile to the horrific Bucs. He left a serious gap on the line that we're still looking to fix.

Contrast the outcome of the Welker and Mankins contract negotiations with the Vince Wilfork deal. Wilfork is in the last years of his career, too, and he's a pale reflection of the player he was even just two years ago. But, to his credit, he pounded out a reduced contract with upside incentives (that he met and earned). And even as his play declined, the Pats valued his locker room presence enough to keep him around on those terms.

Wilfork will be asked, again, to take a pay cut this offseason. And it's hard to argue that his game hasn't declined. If his pride isn't too bruised by the idea of sinking deeper on the depth chart, and playing for less money, he could have a shot at another ring or two as the elder statesman on the team.

I am disappointed that Welker never got a ring with the Pats. He deserves one. Shockingly, Mankins never got a SB ring either, drafted in 2005. He deserves one too. His soul is still part of the team. If he'd taken a cut (I wonder how much they asked him to take), by now he would have it too.

So, I wonder if either Welker or Mankins regret it. If they had it to do over again, would they be willing to leave a million dollars on the table to stay with the franchise? Two million? Or are they satisfied with how it worked out? After all, a Championship is forever. A little taste of immortality.
 
The only deserving ones are the current Pats players, coaches, owner, and us fans.:D

Even Jake bequette deserved one from all that criticisms and naked pictures of Belichick...........:confused:
 
We won the game. But, we could have lost the Super Bowl with either of those two guys on the team. Who knows what might have happened if one or both of them was on the team? Luck and circumstance play such a huge role in winning a Super Bowl. A bad penalty at the wrong time or a dropped pass on a sustained drive is the difference between winning the Super Bowl and losing it. Fate is a strange beast and I'm bloody glad that neither of them was on the team to mess with the apple cart. We won and that's all that matters. And I disagree with you completely. These guys did not deserve a ring because they didn't earn it.
 
Would not have won with Butterfingers McGhee dropping passes. Brady would throw 160+ targets at Welker if he was out there is a wheel chair so it made sense to take him away from Tom. He just can't get it done these days.
 
I have no problems with players trying to get every dollar they can even if it means leaving town. I rarely have a problem with the Pats letting a player go due to money because they are usually cutting bait at the right time.

I don't feel bad for either Welker or Mankins. They made their choices and they have to live with them. They may or may not regret making them. Either way, I still like and respect them as players.
 
I would not mind at all if Mankins is given a ring. He was there all thru Camp and I know it is a stretch but helped transition the new Oline coach and helped the rookie oline that did make the team.
 
Am I the only one who thinks not having them is a reason NE won the Super Bowl, again, after 10 years?
Yes, in fact for guy everyone seems to love to hate WW seems to be in a lot of posters heads. Did we really need another WW thread?

Some of you guys are like his puppet.
 
No one deserves a ring they do not earn. Being on a team that came close but didn't finish doesn't make you deserving of the ring that team won when, without you, it finished.
The only players deserving of a ring are the ones that get them, by earning them.
Both of the players mentioned in this post had their chance to earn a ring or rings, and would have if their own play hadn't contributed heavily to not finishing in the 2 SBs they played in.
 
Welker and mankins deserve nothing. They chose to move on.
 
I'm done.
Thanks for taking a shot at me though, I'm sure that has something to do with contracts to deal with.
Its not even moving on to me.
Its that they did not contribute to a ring. You either do or don't. The fact that the team you were on won once you left is not a ringing endorsement of your worth either.
 
The Patriots won because they improved defensively and played some really good football when,it mattered the most, not because Welker and Mankins weren't playing for them. The idea that not having two really good football players helps you win is ******ed.
 
Getting rid of them produced championship, its all that matter.
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The Patriots won because they improved defensively and played some really good football when,it mattered the most, not because Welker and Mankins weren't playing for them. The idea that not having two really good football players helps you win is ******ed.

I stand by what i said, Welker is no longer in the prime of his career and Mankins was getting too expensive and was starting to slip.The offense is better off without them.
 
@shmessy you can dislike it, but you can't argue with the results. The team couldn't get over the hump when he was "The Guy."
 
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