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I don't think McDaniels really knows how to use the 2-TE offense nearly as effectively as Bill O'Brien did. He split Wright out wide way too much. The really glory years of Gronk-AHern were under O'Brien in 2010-2011. In 2012 injuries kept them from being on the field together for more than 3 full games (games 1, 6 and 7), and then the roof fell in. He needs to learn how to use Wright, who has the potential to be a major asset.
This is an interesting observation that probably should be explored further. It's one that I haven't thought about. I think most of us have forgotten that BOB was the real architect of the initial 2 TE offense.

Probably needs its own thread since the Josh McDaniel haters are going to want to go to town on this. ;), especially after such a choppy offensive effort last night. I'm certainly NOT a hater, but one could really criticize a lot of his red zone choices last night, though we will never know how many of those plays were eventually called by Brady on the LOS

Not the first time it's happened - he threw up the terrible interception at the end of the 1st half against Detroit, another underthrown ball with Gronk wide open in the end zone. In both cases Brady was under some pressure - more in the Detroit situation - and threw with his weight falling backwards. Leaving points off the board when in the red zone at the end of a half is a major no-no, and for Brady to do it twice in 3 games is pretty inexcusable. It's got to stop.

Brady's not perfect. He never has been. What we forget is that most of the time he's simply LESS imperfect than all of his contemporaries. They ALL throw some really inexplicable passes sometimes, even Manning and Rodgers. I'm sure we will see that number increasing as Brady enters his dotage. But that being said, for the next 3 or 4 years there STILL won't be more than a handful of QB who will be better than him, and as long as he's here, he will be good enough to QB this team to a superbowl. Maybe not "carry" a team to a championship, but good enough to lead one there.

Lets remember that the elite Tom Brady has never won a superbowl.

Browner has had almost as big an impact as Revis, IMO. That's his game - get physical. And it's exactly what the Pats need. A lot of the penalties have been ticky-tack stuff, but some of it is just the price for playing his type of game. The Pats have been 8-1 since he game off suspension, and with the exception of the Green Bay game they have basically beaten the crap out of every top receiving combo they have faced (Green-Sanu-Gresham, Marshal-Jeffery-Bennett-Forte, DThomas-Sanders-JThomas-Welker, Hilton-Wayne-Nicks-Fleener, Johnson-Tate-Pettigrew-Ebron and now Allen-Floyd-Royal-Gates). And if Kyle Arrington had been healthy against GB then I think Browner would have made Devante Adams his ***** by the end of the game.

Browner's coverage has been very, very good. The Malcolm Floyd TD catch and 28 yard reception were just great plays made against very solid coverage:

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I'm a bit less effusive about Browner and his effect. In my view his greatest impact is the kind of flexibility his skill set allows the secondary to practice. The match ups he can present, and the coverages and disguises he allows. As an individual CB, he's the kind of guy Josh would abuse if he could single him out on a consistent basis. I think Patricia realizes this and doesn't allow it to happen. And in so doing it, gets us seeing the "good' Browner mostly and only a minimum of the "bad" Browner.

For Browner he couldn't have wound up in a better place for his career. Like I said he has some unique skills for a CB, but like I've also said, he has flaws that can be exposed if allowed. If he'd had gone to a team like Raiders or Jets, he'd have been the butt of fans hatred after watching him get beat deep several time a game.

Jamie Collins is playing at the level that I expected him right now, and has been playing at a very high level for the past 6+ games. He had rough opener against Miami with some fundamentals problems, and then had to deal with a thigh injury. But since the Cincinnati game he has been playing at a Pro Bowl level, IMO. He stepped in as the defensive signal caller against Buffalo as well, and he really started elevating his play around the Denver game.
There is a reason why I chose his number at the start of TC. I see what he can become down the road. As he improves, that rare kind of potential looks even more reachable, since its become clear that he wants to be that great and seems to have the work ethic to reach it.

Now hopefully over the next couple of years, Easley begins to evolve into the impact Warren Sapp like DT I envisioned. I'm hoping that his pedestrian but not bad play is due to a combination of dealing with injuries old and new, plus the need for him to play so much DE. Also the example of Hightower's slow start gives me patience to wait on him.


2 wins out of the next 3 (Miami, @Jets, Buffalo) guarantees at least a #2 seed. Denver has @SD and @Cincinnati next. We obviously need to take care of business, but should hopefully be ok.
Amen, brother, but watching teams like the Raiders, Jets, and Jax rise up on odd weeks to beat their supposed betters makes one cautious. And Buffalo and Miami are better teams than most here give them credit for. It wouldn't take much of a slip cause a defeat in a game we SHOULD win. I'm happy to have them both at Gillette.
 
As I am doing errands this morning listening to the radio, and got bits and parts of what was being said, but enough to realize that this was a bunch of guys stepping up; Bolden, Casillas,Wilson,Siliga,Branch etc. and many others who just did their job.. the mix and match on the defense was impressive. This is probably one of the best team wins in a long time, nothing really that spectacular, but a lot of guys contributing and doing their job.

The Browner penalty was bullshyt, and can say that with a reasonable degree of certainty as it seems to be agreed upon by most of the players who turned into mediots.. imo the answer is not another replay, but more officials that will confer before deciding on whether there is a need for a flag or not.. but the owners are too cheap to add to the payroll..

My issue is stupid penalties, and the need to clean it up some of the stuff is flat out stupid.. if they do not sooner or later it will bite them in the ass, in a big time situation.

One thing I do know that this team is extremely well coached and BB is getting them to play for him... if you could measure "heart" it would be off the charts.. I love this team.
 
Brady's not perfect. He never has been. What we forget is that most of the time he's simply LESS imperfect than all of his contemporaries. They ALL throw some really inexplicable passes sometimes, even Manning and Rodgers. I'm sure we will see that number increasing as Brady enters his dotage. But that being said, for the next 3 or 4 years there STILL won't be more than a handful of QB who will be better than him, and as long as he's here, he will be good enough to QB this team to a superbowl. Maybe not "carry" a team to a championship, but good enough to lead one there.

Lets remember that the elite Tom Brady has never won a superbowl.

We don't need him to be perfect. Just to be efficient, and to avoid key mistakes. Like heaving the ball up off your back foot under pressure in the red zone within the 2 minute warning, when points are at even more of a premium. Twice.
 
14. Pretty scary thinking about this defense with Highower and Jones back. We already got a glimpse of what we've missed this season with Siliga coming back and flashing. With Branch, Siliga, and Chris Jones all playing so well, it looks like we will have a relatively fresh Vince Wilfolk ready for the playoffs

i like being scared in this manner :D

and on bradys int from what i remember he threw under pressure and more or less chucked it up there hoping the gronk would catch it
He wasn't under enormous pressure. It looks like he panicked a bit and threw it off his back foot. Just a really bad throw.
 
He wasn't under enormous pressure. It looks like he panicked a bit and threw it off his back foot. Just a really bad throw.
I think he got flushed out of the pocket and like you said panicked and made a bad throw. that back foot will get ya almost every time, just as drew bledsoe
 
We don't need him to be perfect. Just to be efficient, and to avoid key mistakes. Like heaving the ball up off your back foot under pressure in the red zone within the 2 minute warning, when points are at even more of a premium. Twice.
With a solid defense, that formula won them 3 Super Bowls.....
 
We don't need him to be perfect. Just to be efficient, and to avoid key mistakes. Like heaving the ball up off your back foot under pressure in the red zone within the 2 minute warning, when points are at even more of a premium. Twice.

It wasn't in the red zone, but the same thing happened in Indy. Not a great trend, but something he should get figured out.
 
It wasn't in the red zone, but the same thing happened in Indy. Not a great trend, but something he should get figured out.
I agree. 5 picks in 5 games is a slight cause for concern. Some of those throws were just bad.

However in that stretch the team went 4-1 against playoff-caliber teams with 3 of them road games and averaged 32.6 ppg. Brady threw 12 TDs and had a QB rating of almost 95.

I'll complain but not too loudly..:)
 
We don't need him to be perfect. Just to be efficient, and to avoid key mistakes. Like heaving the ball up off your back foot under pressure in the red zone within the 2 minute warning, when points are at even more of a premium. Twice.
One thing that I usually say separate the elite/top QBs from the QBs in the tier under them is knowing when to just take the sack. Brady needs to get back to that. Unless it's 4th down don't just throw the ball up like that under pressure. Take the sack or throw it out of bounds.
 
It wasn't in the red zone, but the same thing happened in Indy. Not a great trend, but something he should get figured out.

Which was actually worse because it was on our side of the field and led to a quick easy TD for Indy. Sometimes you just have to take a sack and live to see another down. Turning the ball over like that can be game killer. It's lucky both were at the end of the half and not at the end of the game
 
This is an interesting observation that probably should be explored further. It's one that I haven't thought about. I think most of us have forgotten that BOB was the real architect of the initial 2 TE offense.

Probably needs its own thread since the Josh McDaniel haters are going to want to go to town on this. ;), especially after such a choppy offensive effort last night. I'm certainly NOT a hater, but one could really criticize a lot of his red zone choices last night, though we will never know how many of those plays were eventually called by Brady on the LOS

There is little reason for any extensive discussion of Josh. He is very unlikely to be here next year.
 
There is little reason for any extensive discussion of Josh. He is very unlikely to be here next year.
Interesting. I didn't think that there was much chance for Josh to get a NFL job this off season, and I don't think there is any chance for him to leave for a college job. While I think there a future for him to be a HC in the NFL, it still might be early for him. Though BOB's relative success in Houston improves the relative bad rep former BB assistants have as HC's.gi

Even though he had an interview last off season, I've always thought that part of his agreement with BB to come back was that he give him a few years so he could have some stability in his staff. I figure BB has about 5 years left and Josh could simply take over as his long term #2. Just a thought
 
There is little reason for any extensive discussion of Josh. He is very unlikely to be here next year.

Premature ejaculation of an offensive coordinator

2016 more likely

All said he like many OCs fancies himself too clever by far. The 1st goal line misfire by the Pats is one example. Running Vereen up the middle too often is another.

Another item Josh should consider is start Gray & use Gray (a faster guy outa the blocks) on goal line plays. Use Blount 3rd QTR and beyond to punish a tiring D into "quitting".
 
Another item Josh should consider is start Gray & use Gray (a faster guy outa the blocks) on goal line plays. Use Blount 3rd QTR and beyond to punish a tiring D into "quitting".

I can't agree with this enough. Gray is faster to the hole, requires less space and is better at plowing through traffic at the line. Why in hell is he not in the game early on or for short yardage plays? Blount is certainly good enough to get some early carries and is a fantastic closer, so I'm not kicking him to the curb, but the usage makes no sense to me.
 
I think part of the subpar performance of the o-line had to do with the way the pats used Blount after the first drive. On their first drive, Blount had 7 carries for 5.6 yards per carry, chewing up almost 8 minutes of game time. For the rest of the first half, Blount only had 4 carries, and when he did get the ball it seemed telegraphed to be a run play. The SD defensive line had two keys: If Blount is in there, play stout and watch your gaps; no Blount, pin your ears back and try to run Brady over (Note: I don't count Vereen as a real run threat, so the pin your ears back still applies with him in there.)

It wasn't until late in the game the pats used Blount a little more wisely: The play-action TD to Edelman.

It just seems that pats get a little too pass happy for long stretches.

As far as the defense goes, excellent performance. I can take a few penalties from Browner because he brings so much to this defense. And Revis and Collins were brilliant lat night.
 
I can't agree with this enough. Gray is faster to the hole, requires less space and is better at plowing through traffic at the line. Why in hell is he not in the game early on or for short yardage plays? Blount is certainly good enough to get some early carries and is a fantastic closer, so I'm not kicking him to the curb, but the usage makes no sense to me.

Someone is being intentionally stubborn. I can't imagine they are that daft to not see what everyone else can. There is absolutely no reason he shouldn't be used more than he is. Gray has shown that he is good enough to piggy back defenders for those 2-3 extra yards. His usage the past 3 weeks is seriously baffling.
 
Even more worrying to me is that he's done it twice in the past 3 games.

I like to look on the bright side. I figure that 99.5% of the time Tom Brady does NOT play like Geno Smith. :)

What is maddening, though.... he's throwing those brain dead picks when he doesn't need to be a hero. Just a field goal is a great outcome. Gotta stop forcing those throws.

If he wants to be a hero, convert a third down on the first series after the half.... :)
 
The only negative thing about this game after having digested it for a while now is the failure to use all of the receivers by Brady... he still seems to be focusing on Gronk/LaFell/Edelman(20 of the 28 receptions) to much and ignoring Wright/Amendola/Hooman/RB's...

Seems there could be more diversification to create confusion for the opposing defenses... do it now before the tournament starts..
 
Josh could simply take over as his long term #2. Just a thought

Was wondering this myself... how patient is Josh, and do we really want him as our next HC?
 
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