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TomPatriot · Nov 11, 2014

Rob0729 said:
BTW, Felger cannot shut up. Whenever a customer calls, Felger dominants the conversation.

It must be scintillating: "Buddy, do you want fries with that shake?"

TomPatriot · Nov 11, 2014

Rob0729 said:
Feels the excuse making in the media for Luck is ridiculous. . . . Says the weapons are way better than Brady's.

Rob Gronkowski says hello.

Ring 6 · Nov 11, 2014

Oswlek said:
Andy, I haven't been condescending in the least. As I wrote above, my intentions are entirely genial. I'm simply passing along that this statement:

Is wrong. It's not opinion, it is factually incorrect. And that's perfectly OK.

No it's not wrong. Those calculations are based on the cumulative plays. They lack the context necessary to be accurate.
They also adjust based on how opponents rank wirhin the same formula which exacerbates the flaws.
I don't dispute as statistics go these are more meaningful than many others but it is still an attempt to claim you can accurate analyze football by stats which you cannot.

My point isnot wrong but you think if is because you do not understand my point

Ring 6 · Nov 11, 2014

crew1954 said:
I disagree with the bold parts, at least on certain occasions. If a team's D is just matadoring the ops O to the end zone and a QB is matching the opposition TD for TD only to lose by a point 41-40 when he misses a 2 point conversion as the clock runs out, that is meaningful, to me. If the wheels fall off for a half on the entire team and the QB then puts on a clinic to catch up from down 28-0 only to lose 41-40, that is meaningful ( sort of like Brady vs. SFO last year).

As for winning, we are back to the argument that Bob Griese and Eli, to name just 2, were better than any of their less winning peers.

I should have said "by and large" because there are exceptions.
Bob frieze is a great example because he certainly was a better qbs than many in his era that out up more numbers

Eli is a bad one because he has not won consistently.

Archeryaddict12 · Nov 11, 2014

TomPatriot said:
Rob Gronkowski says hello.

Weapons, not weapon. Plural ace

TomPatriot · Nov 12, 2014

Archeryaddict12 said:
Weapons, not weapon. Plural ace

Plural or singular, it's nice to have the best weapon on the field.

ausbacker · Nov 12, 2014

Gronkowski > Allen & Fleener
Hilton > Edelman (although you can make a case Edelman is the better all round footballer)
LaFell > Wayne
Bradshaw > Vereen, Bolden, Gray
Ridley on IR > Richardson

On this year's form I look at the collection of weapons like this. The Patriots "weapons" continue to be vastly underrated by the masses. Great.

TomPatriot · Nov 12, 2014

ausbacker said:
The Patriots "weapons" continue to be vastly underrated by the masses. Great.

And by Greg Bedard, a good reporter. But there's more to understanding football than watching film.

luuked · Nov 12, 2014

ausbacker said:
Gronkowski > Allen & Fleener
Hilton > Edelman (although you can make a case Edelman is the better all round footballer)
LaFell > Wayne
Bradshaw > Vereen, Bolden, Gray
Ridley on IR > Richardson

On this year's form I look at the collection of weapons like this. The Patriots "weapons" continue to be vastly underrated by the masses. Great.

As always it will come down to how well we can create mismatches and win 50:50 situations.

No one would pick Edelman over DT when asked straight but if you put Julian in the right situation and have the talent to take care of DT and suddenly the supremacy of Denvers offense means nothing.

I have absolute trust in our coaching staff to put our players in the positions they need to be to win that game.

crew1954 · Nov 12, 2014

AndyJohnson said:
I should have said "by and large" because there are exceptions.
Bob frieze is a great example because he certainly was a better qbs than many in his era that out up more numbers

Eli is a bad one because he has not won consistently.

Just looking at Griese's numbers, its amazing how much the game has changed.

Griese's best quantitative passing numbers came in 1968 where in13 games he completed 186/355 for 21 tds with 16 INTs. and 2473 yards in a 5-7-1 campaign.

In 1973, with a record of 12-1 in 13 games he was 116/218 17/8 Tds/INTs 1422 yards.

That was about the month of October's QB numbers for Peyton, Luck and Brady ( except the INTs)

RobertWeathers · Nov 12, 2014

crew1954 said:
Just looking at Griese's numbers, its amazing how much the game has changed.

Griese's best quantitative passing numbers came in 1968 where in13 games he completed 186/355 for 21 tds with 16 INTs. and 2473 yards in a 5-7-1 campaign.

In 1973, with a record of 12-1 in 13 games he was 116/218 17/8 Tds/INTs 1422 yards.

That was about the month of October's QB numbers for Peyton, Luck and Brady ( except the INTs)

Its crazy. In 1977 Griese led the NFL in passer rating with an 87.8.

In 2014 that sucks.

rochrist · Nov 12, 2014

robertweathers said:
Its crazy. In 1977 Griese led the NFL in passer rating with an 87.8.

In 2014 that sucks.

That was when a team was allowed to play pass defense.

oldrover · Nov 12, 2014

Rob0729 said:
This thread has gotten off topic a bit. Can we get back to the most important thing to come out of today's Bedard segment?!? Felger is a douche.

Actually, though, my wife had to ask me about Felger the other morning when I used the name in context. "Excellent coffee, hon... now's it's time to push out a Felger."

Ring 6 · Nov 12, 2014

crew1954 said:
Just looking at Griese's numbers, its amazing how much the game has changed.

Griese's best quantitative passing numbers came in 1968 where in13 games he completed 186/355 for 21 tds with 16 INTs. and 2473 yards in a 5-7-1 campaign.

Again a big part of the misconception. Picking the year he threw for the most yards and calling it his best is just wrong.

In 1973, with a record of 12-1 in 13 games he was 116/218 17/8 Tds/INTs 1422 yards.

That was about the month of October's QB numbers for Peyton, Luck and Brady ( except the INTs)

How do you think Peyton Manning would do in 1973, when there was no protection of the QB, holding was not an acceptable means of pass blocking and as much contact as you could get was allowed on receivers until the ball was in the air?

woolster22 · Nov 12, 2014

AndyJohnson said:
How do you think Peyton Manning would do in 1973, when there was no protection of the QB, holding was not an acceptable means of pass blocking and as much contact as you could get was allowed on receivers until the ball was in the air?

Way to play up the extremes! How about we go back to rules of '01? Panty Manning wouldn't throw for two thirds of his numbers. Hell, early nineties?

Manning wouldn't have played pro ball in the seventies, his head would have fallen off half way through his college career. Not to mention the towel boy would have gotten real tired cleaning up all that puke and diarrhea from his uniform.

Plus there was that sexual assault thing. Somebody may have taken liberties with hand/arm/shoulder as retribution.

crew1954 · Nov 13, 2014

AndyJohnson said:
Again a big part of the misconception. Picking the year he threw for the most yards and calling it his best is just wrong.

How do you think Peyton Manning would do in 1973, when there was no protection of the QB, holding was not an acceptable means of pass blocking and as much contact as you could get was allowed on receivers until the ball was in the air?

That is why I used the term "quantitative' to qualify my use of the word "best" and further qualifed the statement by saying best quantitative "NUMBERS"

Manning? I think he would have done ok or even been one of the best of the pocket passers, if he had/has intestinal fortitude to put up with the hits. I know Brady would have put up with the beating.

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