BradyManny
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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.You're right, this Giants defense is better. If it makes people feel good to pretend otherwise, so be it. But, stop the BS of belittling those who are taking a more honest approach. So if you must, please go on pretending that the front seven of Jason Pierre-Paul (16 1/2 sacks), Osi Umenyiora (who returned last week), (a finally healthy) Justin Tuck, Mathias Kiwanuka, Chris Canty, Michael Boley, and Jimmy Kennedy isn't a top three front seven. I, and most others, will know otherwise, and it will make the hoped for win all the more sweet.
P.S. It's really comical how some are ready to throw out the stats when it comes to a very average Patriots defense (i.e. yards don't matter). But a real big time defense like the Giants? Well, they suck - the stats say so.
I have a suspicion that if we win, Gronk will be Super Bowl MVP. And his performance will have gone down as legendary on a banged up ankle.
Stop, just stop.
Regular Season:
Balt: 12-4, 16.6 PPG allowed (3rd), YPP allowed 17.4 (11th)
NYG: 9-7, 25 PPG allowed (25th), YPP allowed 15.9 (14th)
Pats: 13-3, 21.4 PPG allowed (15th) YPP allowed 19.4 (2nd)
The teams overall YPP rankings:
Reg. Sea. ///// Last 3
Balt: 3.0 (4th) 3.7 (8th)
NYG: 0.4 (14th) 9.7 (2nd)
Pats: 6.2 (2nd) 9.4 (3rd)
Bellow is copied from another post (ianvamp, very awesome breakdown).
"The next week and a half we'll hear a TON about defenses (especially the Giants') getting after the QB. Let's see just how effective each team has been the last 5 games of the season (which is the Giants' win streak):
NYG
at NYJ: NYG: 5 sacks, 7 TFL, 6 QB hits; NYJ: 2 sacks, 7 TFL, 3 QB hits
vs Dal: NYG: 6 sacks, 7 TFL, 7 QB hits; Dal: 2 sacks, 5 TFL, 7 QB hits
vs Atl: NYG: 2 sacks, 5 TFL, 7 QB hits; Atl: 1 sack, 6 TFL, 5 QB hits
at GB: NYG: 4 sacks, 4 TFL, 5 QB hits; GB: 1 sack, 6 TFL, 7 QB hits
at SF: NYG: 3 sacks, 5 TFL, 6 QB hits; SF: 6 sacks, 5 TFL, 12 QB hits
TOTALS:
NYG: 20 sacks, 28 TFL, 31 QB hits
Opp: 12 sacks, 29 TFL, 34 QB hits
NE
at Den: NE: 4 sacks, 5 TFL, 4 QB hits; Den: 2 sacks, 5 TFL, 3 QB hits
vs Mia: NE: 5 sacks, 6 TFL, 8 QB hits; Mia: 4 sacks, 4 TFL, 8 QB hits
vs Buf: NE: 2 sacks, 3 TFL, 4 QB hits; Buf: 4 sacks, 4 TFL, 3 QB hits
vs Den: NE: 5 sacks, 10 TFL, 8 QB hits; Den: 0 sacks, 1 TFL, 2 QB hits
vs Bal: NE: 3 sacks, 5 TFL, 7 QB hits; Bal: 1 sack, 2 TFL, 3 QB hits
TOTALS:
NE: 19 sacks, 29 TFL, 31 QB hits
Opp: 11 sacks, 16 TFL, 19 QB hits
So even though the Pats lost Andre Carter (all-pro, team sack leader), and even though the Giants' D-line is playing out of its mind, during each team's last 5 games, the Giants and Patriots have gotten almost the same exact amount of pressure on the opposing QB. However, the Pats' O-line has yielded far fewer tackles for loss and QB hits than the Giants' O-line has.
Granted, a lot of that was the Giants facing the 49ers, but hey, the Pats had to face a bunch of good sack teams too. Here's where their opponents ranked in terms of sacks:
NYG
NYJ: t17th (35)
Dal: t7th (42)
Atl: t19th (33)
GB: t27th (29)
SF: t7th (42)
AVG: 15.4th (36.2)
NE
Den: t10th (41)
Mia: t10th (41)
Buf: t27th (29)
Den: t10th (41)
Bal: t3rd (48)
AVG: 12th (40.0)
So the Pats' OL yielded less pressure than the Giants' OL did over the last 5 games, despite the Pats facing teams that were better at putting pressure on and getting into the backfield.
In conclusion, as good as the Giants have been at putting pressure on the QB during their awesome 5-game stretch, the Pats have been *JUST AS GOOD* over that same period of time; moreover, the Pats' OLine has been significantly better, especially given the caliber of defenses they've faced over that five game stretch, at keeping opposing pressure at bay."
People throw out the regular season for the Giants claiming their are now a completely different team, yet want to look at the Pats defense during the regular season. Are you really about to say that the Pats defense hasn't improved? Really? Give me a break. Hell, just watch the Pats-Giant match up earlier this season and realize we weren't playing well, didn't score at all in 2+ quarters, yet came very close to winning that game. There's nothing to fear....
I was referring to your assessment of the Pats defense vs the Giants defense. Maybe you have a real and valid reason for thinking that there is such a disparity between the two, but it would stand to reason you'd try to present such facts. Instead you throw out some names and imply that those that disagree with you are being homers. Maybe dishonest is the wrong word, but you presented no real facts to back your opinion, which appeared to be little more than an attempt to stir things up.I'm a Patriots fan. Why would I lie about my assessment of their defense? My assessement may be incorrect, but it's not dishonest.
I was referring to your assessment of the Pats defense vs the Giants defense. Maybe you have a real and valid reason for thinking that there is such a disparity between the two, but it would stand to reason you'd try to present such facts. Instead you throw out some names and imply that those that disagree with you are being homers. Maybe dishonest is the wrong word, but you presented no real facts to back your opinion, which appeared to be little more than an attempt to stir things up.
Throw the stats away - for the thousandth f-cking time, this is not the same Giants defense Osi Umenyiora has returned and Tuck has become healthy. People around here want to contribute the Patriots "turnaround" to the return of Spikes and Chung, well, news flash - Umenyiora and a healthy Tuck are studs. Per NY Post: First, the Giants got healthier. Defensive coordinator Perry Fewell has said “our pass defense is our pass rush,’’ and his pass rush got energized by the return of Osi Umenyiora and Justin Tuck’s return to relative health. Now able to get pressure by using only their four linemen, the Giants were able to hold down the fort on the back end of the defense without committing extra bodies to blitzes.
This healthy version of the Giant's defense just held the Falcons to 2 points, the vaunted Packers to 20 points, and the 49ers to 17 points.
P.S. If not for two big plays by Vernon Davis the 49ers would have been held to hardly no points. Smith was befuddled by the Giants pass rush & the 49ers only scored 3 points on the second half.
I agree with your assessment of the Giants defense for the most part. I'm just confused as to what is leading you to believe that the Pats defense, which has seemingly put up comparative numbers, is somehow average. The problem with bringing up names is that it provides no real means of comparison for other posters to use to carry on a conversation about this with you. Actually in your post you pretty much dismisses a previous posters attempt to show how similar the defenses are by saying stats don't matter. If all you're willing to accept for proof is names, then there's clearly nothing anyone can do to convince you otherwise since the only "big" name the Pats' defense has is VW. However names have long proven to be the least reliable way to judge a team/player: the Eagles weren't a super team, the Pats weren't better with AH aboard, Ochocinco has been a flop, the Jets don't have a high powered running game because of LdT, TO can't find a job, Lewis/Reed/Ngata weren't able to outperform a much maligned Pats' defense, etc. Performance is what matters and right now the Pats defense appears to be performing on par with the Giants and you haven't provided anything to contest that. All you've been doing is dismissing other people's points while using flowery language. To me that seems like trying to stir things up.Read my last post for some facts which you can quickly disregard. And those "names" have stellar careers attached to them. And who's trying to stir things up? I want the Patriots to kick their f-cking ass. I just don't feel the need to downplay the Giants' capabilities to feel better about whatever. The Giants defense is good, better then good. If the Patriots beat them, they will have beaten an elite defense, playing their best football.
I agree with your assessment of the Giants defense for the most part. I'm just confused as to what is leading you to believe that the Pats defense, which has seemingly put up comparative numbers, is somehow average.
Believe me, I'm trying, real hard, to feel good about this defense.
Common theme in the 2 championship games both losing teams beat themselves IMO...The Pats do have weaknesses but the one thing they very rarely do is beat themselves..The Giants are much like the Pats in that respect because of Tom Coughlin but i still think Eli Manning is still prone to making a bad pass and Brady got his out of his system last week...Plus look for Wilfork to play a big role collapsing the interior line of the Giants...
Couple or few very important notes here:
---Brady DID NOT have his worst game of the season, or anywhere close to it. He threw for 350 yards, and 2 TD's. He unfortunately also threw 2 INT's.
---If you went into the other room during the battle that was that game, and proclaimed that "we won" with several minutes left to go, you MAY have some issues that need to be dealt with.
---the NYG defense does not remind me, or anyone of the Baltimore Ravens.
---Most importantly, if you were able to get over the 2007 season's SB "pretty easily" you have something inside you that we do not understand very well around these parts.
How did the Ravens beat themselves? The Pats had 3 turnovers, yet they lead for most of the game. Just because they were unlucky on the last drive doesn't mean they played better. Watch the entire game.
Throw the stats away - for the thousandth f-cking time, this is not the same Giants defense Osi Umenyiora has returned and Tuck has become healthy. People around here want to contribute the Patriots "turnaround" to the return of Spikes and Chung, well, news flash - Umenyiora and a healthy Tuck are studs. Per NY Post: First, the Giants got healthier. Defensive coordinator Perry Fewell has said “our pass defense is our pass rush,’’ and his pass rush got energized by the return of Osi Umenyiora and Justin Tuck’s return to relative health. Now able to get pressure by using only their four linemen, the Giants were able to hold down the fort on the back end of the defense without committing extra bodies to blitzes.
This healthy version of the Giant's defense just held the Falcons to 2 points, the vaunted Packers to 20 points, and the 49ers to 17 points.
P.S. If not for two big plays by Vernon Davis the 49ers would have been held to hardly no points. Smith was befuddled by the Giants pass rush & the 49ers only scored 3 points on the second half.
Read my last post for some facts which you can quickly disregard. And those "names" have stellar careers attached to them. And who's trying to stir things up? I want the Patriots to kick their f-cking ass. I just don't feel the need to downplay the Giants' capabilities to feel better about whatever. The Giants defense is good, better then good. If the Patriots beat them, they will have beaten an elite defense, playing their best football.