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I think this is a very interesting question, and it goes beyond the guys you mentioned. Rob Ryan and Brian Diabol are 2 other guys who come immediately to mind. I'm sure there are a few more. I think there are a couple of logical reasons that would explain the phenomenon.
1. The omnipresent presence of Bill Bellichick. Just as BB had to eventually get out of Parcell's large shadow, ambitious assistants will always feel the need to leave the nest in order to evade this shadow, and when they move on from that job, you don't want to go back.
2, Part of the the "Patriot Way" is how they develop their staff. Almost all of their post 2004 coaching hires have followed a pretty standard path. Very young guys who go from gofers, to quality control (breaking down films) to position coaches, to coordinators. One of Bills greatest skills is the he is a great teacher of coaches and like a lot of corporate management teams they like to get them when they are young and develop them in the "corporate" philosophy.
That's the reason I think things didn't work out with Don Capers. Clearly Capers is a great coach, but I'd bet his defensive philosophy ran counter to Bill's and they agreed to disagree. When you bring in older coaches you bring in their "baggage" as well
The exceptions are Ivan Fears, Pepper Johnson, and Dante Scarnecchia these guys are career assistants and Patriot lifers, who have totally bought into the program and aren't going anywhere. Maybe Pepper would leave for a DC gig, but that's unlikely soon
3. The only guy I thought that BB might bring back was Romeo. He didn't for 2 reasons I think. First, bringing him back would ****** the movement of those still here. Second, I think Romeo still has hopes of being an NFL HC again and that won't happen if he comes back.
I think this is a very interesting question, and it goes beyond the guys you mentioned. Rob Ryan and Brian Diabol are 2 other guys who come immediately to mind. I'm sure there are a few more. I think there are a couple of logical reasons that would explain the phenomenon.
1. The omnipresent presence of Bill Bellichick. Just as BB had to eventually get out of Parcell's large shadow, ambitious assistants will always feel the need to leave the nest in order to evade this shadow, and when they move on from that job, you don't want to go back.
2, Part of the the "Patriot Way" is how they develop their staff. Almost all of their post 2004 coaching hires have followed a pretty standard path. Very young guys who go from gofers, to quality control (breaking down films) to position coaches, to coordinators. One of Bills greatest skills is the he is a great teacher of coaches and like a lot of corporate management teams they like to get them when they are young and develop them in the "corporate" philosophy.
That's the reason I think things didn't work out with Don Capers. Clearly Capers is a great coach, but I'd bet his defensive philosophy ran counter to Bill's and they agreed to disagree. When you bring in older coaches you bring in their "baggage" as well
The exceptions are Ivan Fears, Pepper Johnson, and Dante Scarnecchia these guys are career assistants and Patriot lifers, who have totally bought into the program and aren't going anywhere. Maybe Pepper would leave for a DC gig, but that's unlikely soon
3. The only guy I thought that BB might bring back was Romeo. He didn't for 2 reasons I think. First, bringing him back would ****** the movement of those still here. Second, I think Romeo still has hopes of being an NFL HC again and that won't happen if he comes back.
Not true. I believe I read a couple of years ago that BB was one of the highest paid coaches in the league.
Its something I've been wondering for the past few years. For example:
1. Charlie Weiss leaves for HC job, gets fired and goes to our competition as OC.
2. Romeo leaves for HC job, gets fired and goes to our competitor as DC.
3. Josh leaves for HC job, gets fired and goes to our competitor as OC.
Thats just off the top of my head, maybe there are others. But I don't get it, why wouldn't they want to come back here? They had their best years here considering they got their "promotion" because of what they accomplished here.
I would think BB knows how good they were here and would let them back in a heartbeat even at the expense of letting go our current OC/DC.
Is it Pride? They don't want to be in BB's shadow?
I just remember that one SB where BB/Charlie/Romeo were huddled in a group knowing it was their last game together and just wishing each other good fortune. I would think either or both would want to come back to the "good old days".
For the 'holier than thou' posters, this is where you say I'm stupid and don't know a thing about football.
I totally agree you.
I only started following the Pats after Mangini left. Was there more to what he did besides going to the Jets and videogate?
The reason is simple - "money, money, money, money......MONEY"....
The Patriots are a CHEAP organization. Why bring the old and proven guys back when you can hire nobody's and pay them below market wage??
Dude, you are way off base.
There are dozens of organizations that spend far less overall than the Patriots do in an attempt to maximize profits.
The whole "Patriots are cheap" is an internet myth with no substance created long ago by fans of rival teams, as well as Pats fans that never understood the difference between the way baseball and football teams operate. Sales people must love you because you have obviously bought into that hype hook, line and sinker.
Dude, you are way off base.
There are dozens of organizations that spend far less overall than the Patriots do in an attempt to maximize profits.
The whole "Patriots are cheap" is an internet myth with no substance created long ago by fans of rival teams, as well as Pats fans that never understood the difference between the way baseball and football teams operate. Sales people must love you because you have obviously bought into that hype hook, line and sinker.
Really why don't you name them the fact is we have guys that should be coaching Curry college not a 1.5 billion dollar business, and I'm not sure cheap is the word but BB is suppose to be this great defensive genius right! So either he doesn't know talent anymore or the value word which is just another word for not paying people fair market value has taken over that franchise. What do you have to show for it the worst defense in the league, wide recievers playing cornerback, Oh this shows versatility please! The fact is they cut Sanders, Merriweather, Butler, Wilhite and even Wheatley for what they have now are you kidding me? So why were they cut IMO money now your paying street free agents they probably saved themselves 7 mil under the cap which goes back to the owners at the end of the year, either that or BB has become the worst talent evaluator of defensive players in the league.
Really why don't you name them the fact is we have guys that should be coaching Curry college not a 1.5 billion dollar business, and I'm not sure cheap is the word but BB is suppose to be this great defensive genius right! So either he doesn't know talent anymore or the value word which is just another word for not paying people fair market value has taken over that franchise. What do you have to show for it the worst defense in the league, wide recievers playing cornerback, Oh this shows versatility please! The fact is they cut Sanders, Merriweather, Butler, Wilhite and even Wheatley for what they have now are you kidding me? So why were they cut IMO money now your paying street free agents they probably saved themselves 7 mil under the cap which goes back to the owners at the end of the year, either that or BB has become the worst talent evaluator of defensive players in the league.
The root of the feud came prior to the video taping incident. Many believe it is because Mangini defied Belichick's advice and took a job with a division rival, but what the true catalyst was that Mangini attempted to recruit Patriot players and coaches to go with him - as early as on the flight home after the Patriots AFCCG loss; some speculate he was even recruiting prior to that game. On top of that Mangini reportedly did not turn in his team-issued laptop - which included the entire playbook and all of the team's previous game plans.
In my opinion this was, to Belichick (as well as to fans of the Pats) unforgivable; an employee is given a job, built up, and then stabs his mentor and his former team in the back on the way out the door.
Little did we all know at that time that those actions would merely be the tip of the iceberg.