Ellis Hobbs - Duane Starks in disguise

[E Belichick Unum]

He was hurt. This isn't up for dispute.

The correct term would be:
A) Bow Wow
B) Just call me toast
C) I play because I got pictures of the coach
D) All of the above

 

[Pats726]

It has nothing to do with the sky falling, only Ellis falling down. He wasn't close last night, and he wasn't close in the Super Bowl.

I wouldn't get too close to Ellis anytime soon, you hands could get burnt.

Look at what this message boaed is today...chicken littles runnning around predicting doom....Just more of the same...the team is DOOMED!!!!!!

 

[E Belichick Unum]

How much do you want to bet they don't?

He'll start the season because Belichick is stuborn, but he won't last the season.

I hope I am wrong and Ellis becomes the super start he keeps telling us he is, but I just don't see it happening.

 

[BradyManny]

Hmm, for two straight weeks, the opposing offense had some success passing the ball towards the offensive left side, our defensive right side. Both times, the defensive rightside corner appeared to be giving a big cushion. Both times, a fair share posters freaked out and started trashing the corner.

Except, the corner wasn't Ellis Hobbs both times. Gee, so maybe Ellis Hobbs and Fernando Bryant were doing what was asked of them??

I'm no football genius, but for those that would like to see someone with a higher football IQ break it down, go to BOR's breakdown thread, and check out his and unoriginal's thoughts, and they do touch upon coverages in the thread.

 

[E Belichick Unum]

Look at what this message boaed is today...chicken littles runnning around predicting doom....Just more of the same...the team is DOOMED!!!!!!

You are right and we are wrong because...

It isn't the sky is falling, it is the inability of the secondary to stop a 5 yard out. It is the inability of Ellis Hobbs to defend anybody. It is the idea that they looked so bad last night, in large part due to the fact that Ellis Hobbs was abused last night.

 

[Rob0729]

I will be the first to say it. We will be better off just going with 10 players on defense and not play anyone at the left CB position than have Hobbs play there. He is that bad. Last night was a clear statement of that.

If you can't judge the guy based on a half dozen preseason plays, how can you. Especially when they were playing a soft zone and vanilla defense. I mean if they were actually trying to scheme for the Bucs and Hobbs failed, I would forgive the guy. But to play a soft zone and keeping the play in front of you all game and not letting the guy pass you, that is inexcusable.

 

[Deus Irae]

Everyone needs to stop thinking the other poster is automatically being ridiculous and extreme.

When you people stop being ridiculous and extreme, we'll stop thinking you're ridiculous and extreme.

edit: case in point

...It is the inability of Ellis Hobbs to defend anybody. It is the idea that they looked so bad last night, in large part due to the fact that Ellis Hobbs was abused last night.

 

[Rob0729]

You are right and we are wrong because...

It isn't the sky is falling, it is the inability of the secondary to stop a 5 yard out. It is the inability of Ellis Hobbs to defend anybody. It is the idea that they looked so bad last night, in large part due to the fact that Ellis Hobbs was abused last night.

Ummm..... considering they had Hobbs playing so far off the ball, maybe the gameplan (for what little gameplan they had) was to allow the short plays, but not the the big ones. If that is the case, how can you blame Hobbs for allowing the 5 yard out if it was part of the gameplan. Ever hear of a bend-don't-break defense?

 

[E Belichick Unum]

Hmm, for two straight weeks, the opposing offense had some success passing the ball towards the offensive left side, our defensive right side. Both times, the defensive rightside corner appeared to be giving a big cushion. Both times, a fair share posters freaked out and started trashing the corner.

Except, the corner wasn't Ellis Hobbs both times. Gee, so maybe Ellis Hobbs and Fernando Bryant were doing what was asked of them??

I'm no football genius, but for those that would like to see someone with a higher football IQ break it down, go to BOR's breakdown thread, and check out his and unoriginal's thoughts, and they do touch upon coverages in the thread.

I have a real hard time believeing that the coaches told them to let the recievers catch the ball. It doesn't matter who is starting at that position, he has to be able to stop that pass, 5 completions on that first drive on Ellis. It seems as if the Tampa coaching staff has the same opinion of Ellis, so did the Giants in the Super Bowl for that matter.

Ellis hasn't shown a whole lot other than being able to return a kick. That will be what keeps him in the league.

 

[E Belichick Unum]

Ummm..... considering they had Hobbs playing so far off the ball, maybe the gameplan (for what little gameplan they had) was to allow the short plays, but not the the big ones. If that is the case, how can you blame Hobbs for allowing the 5 yard out if it was part of the gameplan. Ever hear of a bend-don't-break defense?

Look at last years games, he played the same distance off the line, with much the same success. It is no coincidence that the only game that they lost last year was a game that they didn't get to the QB. It is also no coincidence that Ellis was 10 yards away from the winning touchdown in the Super Bowl.

Oh yeah, he was hurt, I forgot. You know what pisses me off about that, it was the fact that the first time we heard about it was when he used it as an excuse.

 

[BradyManny]

I have a real hard time believeing that the coaches told them to let the recievers catch the ball. It doesn't matter who is starting at that position, he has to be able to stop that pass, 5 completions on that first drive on Ellis.

Did you see any of the coaching staff show any displeasure towards Ellis after that drive?

 

[Rob0729]

I have a real hard time believeing that the coaches told them to let the recievers catch the ball. It doesn't matter who is starting at that position, he has to be able to stop that pass, 5 completions on that first drive on Ellis. It seems as if the Tampa coaching staff has the same opinion of Ellis, so did the Giants in the Super Bowl for that matter.

Ellis hasn't shown a whole lot other than being able to return a kick. That will be what keeps him in the league.

Sorry, but if you get the concept of the zone defense is that you will sacrifice the short passing plays to not give up the intermediate or long passing plays. Teams are usually fairly successful with the 5 yard and under pass play against teams that play zone especially a soft zone.

Hobbs was playing ten yards off quite a bit. That means if a WR does a five yard out, Hobbs need to run five yards just to get the receiver to cover him. Or in other words, the receiver has run his route before Hobbs can even get to the guy.

 

[Deus Irae]

Look at last years games, he played the same distance off the line, with much the same success. It is no coincidence that the only game that they lost last year was a game that they didn't get to the QB. It is also no coincidence that Ellis was 10 yards away from the winning touchdown in the Super Bowl.

Oh yeah, he was hurt, I forgot. You know what pisses me off about that, it was the fact that the first time we heard about it was when he used it as an excuse.

The stats from last season show you to be pretty much completely wrong. Go find one of the threads with them instead of making assertions without facts to back them up.

 

[emoney_33]

Look at last years games, he played the same distance off the line, with much the same success. It is no coincidence that the only game that they lost last year was a game that they didn't get to the QB. It is also no coincidence that Ellis was 10 yards away from the winning touchdown in the Super Bowl.

Oh yeah, he was hurt, I forgot. You know what pisses me off about that, it was the fact that the first time we heard about it was when he used it as an excuse.

I suppose you are one of the same people who blamed Ellis Hobbs for the Davenport TD last year? Just because a player is in the area, does not mean it's his responsibility. You don't the play called, the scheme, the coverage.

For a fun thing to do while you are bored and pissed at Hobbs, go re-watch the Bengals game from last year. Then tell us how bad Chad Johnson must be.

 

[RayClay]

It is good to see Ellis Hobbs is at least consistent, then when he gets cut we won't have to search for a reason why. The Bucks threw at him 5 times on the first drive, all complete. On every play Ellis wasn't even in the picture when the pass was thrown.

Has he come out and told us that he was playing hurt all preseason yet?

New to football, eh? Well this is the place to learn.

 

[RayClay]

Sorry, but if you get the concept of the zone defense is that you will sacrifice the short passing plays to not give up the intermediate or long passing plays. Teams are usually fairly successful with the 5 yard and under pass play against teams that play zone especially a soft zone.

Hobbs was playing ten yards off quite a bit. That means if a WR does a five yard out, Hobbs need to run five yards just to get the receiver to cover him. Or in other words, the receiver has run his route before Hobbs can even get to the guy.

Defenses are usually pretty happy to have quartebacks throwing it halfway across the field for five yard gains. that's a dangerous pass.

Problem wasn't the passing in that drive, it was the collapse of run defense and failure to pick off one of those frozen ropes and take it to the house.

You'd think people would figure that out after starting out that way in most games on the way to 3 superbowls......

 

[Deus Irae]

Defenses are usually pretty happy to have quartebacks throwing it halfway across the field for five yard gains. that's a dangerous pass.

Problem wasn't the passing in that drive, it was the collapse of run defense and failure to pick off one of those frozen ropes and take it to the house.

You'd think people would figure that out after starting out that way in most games on the way to 3 superbowls......

People were *****ing in almost every regular season game of a 16-0 season. What exactly do you expect will be learned by that sort of person?

 

[DaBruinz]

Just ask him and he will tell you all about being hurt and how it wasn't his fault he was 10 yards off of the reciever in the Super bowl.

The guy was playing with a sports hernia and a hamstring injury. Yet was still on the field for the SB. You might want to go back and re-watch it because it was SAMUEL and not HOBBS who allowed worse receptions to occur. Hell, the TD pass to Tyree, Samuel was looking around with his hands in the air... Yet it was clearly his fault.

 

[rusH1023]

Ummm..... considering they had Hobbs playing so far off the ball, maybe the gameplan (for what little gameplan they had) was to allow the short plays, but not the the big ones. If that is the case, how can you blame Hobbs for allowing the 5 yard out if it was part of the gameplan. Ever hear of a bend-don't-break defense?

I haven't read Box_O_Rock's post yet on Hobbs, but didn't Belichick more or less say: Well, we came out and allowed a 12-play, 70-yard march down the field, and that's not where we want to be...

Edit: I apologize, Box_O's analysis was that Hobbs was Mayo, Woods and Meriweather security blanket. Which would explain (and I took it to be Hobbs' playing so far back) why Mayo was there first on the receiver a few times. My bad. I was ripping on Hobbs last night.

 

[CrazyDave]

I did'nt think Hobbs played that bad.
I was also pleased with his tackling.
He gave the guy a cushion, guy caught the ball IN FRONT OF Hobbs, Hobbs made the tackle.
Now, if the receiver faked Hobbs out of his jock and added 25 more yards to the play, I'd be worried.