Who said that? And you just revealed your age by surmising I was talking about the Pats. Try not to be so defensive with such a general topic. Actually, I was talking about teams like the Raiders. They have championships too, but the team...from top to bottom, is a mess (putting it lightly). So because they've won SBs in the past, is that a team you'd want to play for right now? Of course not. And its not just because they suck, it's because it's a poorly operated business right now. This is that age old perspective that somehow a championship makes everything ok from now until the end of time. Oh yeah, and that it somehow entitles a player to "talk smack." Absurd. I never implied the Pats were such a team. And no, "the ends dont justify the means" comment was not a dig about Spygate, it was referring to what I just spelled out above.