The "FAVRE - he's really coming baaack only not in GB" post

[chech1965]

GB making a HUGE error here.........cheeseheads seen grilling and melting down all around, sad day for GB fans.

I wonder where he will end up. Let the guessing start for real now - I would love to see him in Minnesota

Oh my. Will someone just put him on an ice floe and push him out to sea....

 

[fgssand]

First of all, Bledsoe didn't jerk around his team four straight off-seasons by hemming and hawing about retiring. Secondly, Bledsoe also didn't in fact retire and file retirement papers with the league (back then). And thirdly, Belichick didn't RELEASE Bledsoe as you have been arguing the Packers should do to Favre - he TRADED him for a first round pick. I think that would be a perfectly acceptable resolution to the Packers in the Favre situation.

Also, as I vividly recall, while it may not have "ripped apart his team", there was considerable difference of opinion amongst the fan base as to what to do with Bledsoe after the 2001 season - from trading him to reinstating him as starter. Some fans (and even some media members IIRC) made the same kind of misguided arguments that are being made about Favre, that the Patriots "owed" Bledsoe his release.

In your frst paragraph, you made my point - BB and this team would never have allowed FOUR years of this crap.

All along I have said trade Brett, but if they cannot then release him not so much for Brett's benefit for the best interest of the Green Bay Packer football team. As for the first rounder - it seemed like a good trade for both sides. With only two years left of Favre, a #3 seems fair or a Jason Taylor.

But, my point all along has been in part, not to defend Brett and to try to show both sides of the duiscussion (seemed to be all one way from what I read) AND to point out that no matter what the situation is - allowing this controversey to continue s a huge error by management.

Let's see what makes sense -

The guy should be allowed to change his mind and play if he wants too.

The guy can still play football at a high level, he did lead his team to final four last year.

If GB forces him to come to camp (by not trading or releasing) they will destroy Rogers or the team or both.

 

[IcyPatriot]

I have always felt that letting aging stars move on is in the best interests of management. Even if you get 50 cents on the dollar you still make out. Right now ... a retired Favre gives you nothing. Like fggsand says a #3 is fair and it's more than you have now. A #3 allows a team to get two #2's in next years draft ... imagine Belichick not trading for the future and letting a player go off into the sunset with no value ... I doubt it. Losing a player to free agency is one thing due to the cap ... but GB is plain dumb not to trade him. He's not going to win a Super Bowl anyways so let him go.

 

[ivanvamp]

Brett's real legacy is proving that a self absorbed gunslinger who threw for lots of empty yardage and lucked into a ring early in his career can bamboozle an entire industry for a decade by simply playing the good old boy card ad nauseum.

I think Favre's real legacy is the fact that he was one of the greatest QB ever to play the game.

- #1 all-time in completions (and attempts)
- #1 all-time in passing yards
- #1 all-time in TD passes (and interceptions)
- #19 all-time in passer rating
- #7 all-time in passing yards per game
- #15 all-time in completion percentage
- one Super Bowl title (other great QB haven't won them...ask Dan Marino)
- 3 MVP awards
- 9 time pro bowler
- 3 time all-pro

His 4 peak seasons were utterly dominant:

1994 - 62.4%, 3882 yds, 33 td, 14 int
1995 - 63.0%, 4413 yds, 38 td, 13 int
1996 - 59.9%, 3899 yds, 39 td, 13 int
1997 - 59.3%, 3867 yds, 35 td, 16 int

Then throw in these years:
2001 - 61.6%, 3921 yds, 32 td, 15 int
2004 - 64.1%, 4088 yds, 30 td, 17 int
2007 - 66.5%, 4155 yds, 28 td, 15 int

We can call him an egomaniac all we want, but the guy is one of the absolute greatest that's ever played.

 

[Lloyd_Christmas]

We can call him an egomaniac all we want, but the guy is one of the absolute greatest that's ever played.

All your gushing over Favre reminds me of John Madden.

This isn't about whether or not he was (at one time) a great QB. It is about what the Packers should do about him now. Demanding a release is asking too much... I wouldn't do it if I were them. Trade him or make him ride the pine if he won't accept a trade.

Favre put the team in this situation with his shamefull retirement antics and his unreasonable request to now be released when HE signed a contract to commit to 'X' years.

You don't get to retire at 'X-2' years and then unretire and go play for someone else without a trade, no matter how loud the Favre crotch sniffers demand it.

 

[Pats726]

I think Favre's real legacy is the fact that he was one of the greatest QB ever to play the game.

- #1 all-time in completions (and attempts)
- #1 all-time in passing yards
- #1 all-time in TD passes (and interceptions)
- #19 all-time in passer rating
- #7 all-time in passing yards per game
- #15 all-time in completion percentage
- one Super Bowl title (other great QB haven't won them...ask Dan Marino)
- 3 MVP awards
- 9 time pro bowler
- 3 time all-pro

His 4 peak seasons were utterly dominant:

1994 - 62.4%, 3882 yds, 33 td, 14 int
1995 - 63.0%, 4413 yds, 38 td, 13 int
1996 - 59.9%, 3899 yds, 39 td, 13 int
1997 - 59.3%, 3867 yds, 35 td, 16 int

Then throw in these years:
2001 - 61.6%, 3921 yds, 32 td, 15 int
2004 - 64.1%, 4088 yds, 30 td, 17 int
2007 - 66.5%, 4155 yds, 28 td, 15 int

We can call him an egomaniac all we want, but the guy is one of the absolute greatest that's ever played.

So...because of THAT he must be treated differently?? Like teh laws of the CBA do not apply? please......

 

[TruthSeeker]

If you think a statement "allowing him to comeback as a back up" is not total disrespect to Hall of famer then I don;t know what is.

Brett Favre created this situation himself. If he didn't want to be "disrespected", then he shouldn't have set himself up for the "disrespect". Perhaps you could take a step back and consider whether or not Brett Favre has "disrespected" the Green Bay Packers over the last few years with his retirement antics before you start throwing stones at management.

There is no way our New England Patriots or Bill Belichick would disrespect a veteran like that. If you don't want him back, that's fine - trade him or release him and move on - period.

I believe Green Bay is willing to trade him. There's certainly no reason to release him if you hope to trade him. Realistically, you can't even talk about releasing Favre if you hope to get something in a trade. I don't believe that Favre will ever be a backup sitting on Green Bay's bench for multiple reasons, the primary one being that Brett Favre has no interest in being a backup to the QB that he took pains to make clear he wasn't interested in helping to develop.

Shame on Green Bay for allowing this to turn into a circus full of hard feelings all around. I imagine Green bay fans are really feeling sick to their stomachs no matter what they feel about Brett Favre and where he should be playing.

"Shame on Green Bay for allowing this to turn into a circus..."?? What planet have you been living on for the past 4 years? Somehow I don't think you'll find many people supporting your position that it's been Green Bay that has turned Brett Favre's retirement into a circus. Most would say Brett Favre; some would say the media. But Green Bay? You've got to be kidding me.

 

[signbabybrady]

Brett Favre created this situation himself. If he didn't want to be "disrespected", then he shouldn't have set himself up for the "disrespect". Perhaps you could take a step back and consider whether or not Brett Favre has "disrespected" the Green Bay Packers over the last few years with his retirement antics before you start throwing stones at management.

For once in sports I don't see this as a respect thing. In this instance I think Farve's deserves to come back if he wants but at the same time he did anounce a retirement that has been discussed for years so you can not fault the Packers for moving on and you certainly can't fault them for trying to get something for their dollar if he is willing to be traded.

I don't think it is disrespectful for Farve to want to continue to play and if he was told he couls back up rodgers I don't think it is disrespectful for him to want to start somewhere else if need be.

"Shame on Green Bay for allowing this to turn into a circus..."?? What planet have you been living on for the past 4 years? Somehow I don't think you'll find many people supporting your position that it's been Green Bay that has turned Brett Favre's retirement into a circus. Most would say Brett Favre; some would say the media. But Green Bay? You've got to be kidding me.

GB would be part of the circus because I am shore as an orginization they did/ do not want to see Farve play anywhere else but they also want to trun the page to the youth. And I think GBs desire for this has played a role in the way this all has shaken out and more specificly the circus that is going on right now. Either he is your starter or get what you can for him and move on.

 

[fgssand]

Brett Favre created this situation himself. If he didn't want to be "disrespected", then he shouldn't have set himself up for the "disrespect". Perhaps you could take a step back and consider whether or not Brett Favre has "disrespected" the Green Bay Packers over the last few years with his retirement antics before you start throwing stones at management.



I believe Green Bay is willing to trade him. There's certainly no reason to release him if you hope to trade him. Realistically, you can't even talk about releasing Favre if you hope to get something in a trade. I don't believe that Favre will ever be a backup sitting on Green Bay's bench for multiple reasons, the primary one being that Brett Favre has no interest in being a backup to the QB that he took pains to make clear he wasn't interested in helping to develop.



"Shame on Green Bay for allowing this to turn into a circus..."?? What planet have you been living on for the past 4 years? Somehow I don't think you'll find many people supporting your position that it's been Green Bay that has turned Brett Favre's retirement into a circus. Most would say Brett Favre; some would say the media. But Green Bay? You've got to be kidding me.

My entire point is very realistic and basic -- Green Bay management should only concern themselves with doing what is best for their franchise. If that means trading him, do it, fast. If it means letting him come back to at least compete for starting job, say it. If they cannot trade him and don't want him back - then release him, move on and don't look back.

 

[PromisedLand]

Reading this thread reminds me of the old saying my mother taught me - "everyone is out of step but Johnny."

 

[fgssand]

Reading this thread reminds me of the old saying my mother taught me - "everyone is out of step but Johnny."

Hereeeeeeee's Johnny!!!

 

[fgssand]

Greta Van Susteren at 10:00 PM - are you kidding me??

Favre: I don't feel welcome in Green Bay


first substantial comments on his latest retirement decision reversal come in an interview with Fox News' Greta Van Susteren scheduled to air at 10 p.m. ET Monday.

"I am guilty of retiring early and there is a reason for that," Favre said, according to an excerpt provided to The Associated Press. "And the major issue is 'Why did he retire,' and 'He asked for a release because he doesn't want to play in Green Bay.' That's not true. And I hope people are hearing this and saying 'OK, that clears it up."'



http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8306816/Favre:-I-don't-feel-welcome-in-Green-Bay

And this from ESPN:

"Them moving on does not bother me. It doesn't. I totally understand that. By me retiring March 3rd I knew that could possibly happen. All I was saying is you know I'm thinking about playing again. The 'itch' has been used. That is the word that has been used if you want to say itch, or the fire is coming back, or whatever.

"If I'm going to play it's going to be 100 percent commitment. ... And so if you move on, you tell me one thing, don't come back and tell the public ... just say it. 'You know, we've moved on and we'll work with Brett on whatever it is.' Don't make up a lot of stuff or give half of the truth."



http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3486775


You all still think GB should not release him and move on??

 

[signbabybrady]

Greta Van Susteren at 10:00 PM - are you kidding me??

Favre: I don't feel welcome in Green Bay


first substantial comments on his latest retirement decision reversal come in an interview with Fox News' Greta Van Susteren scheduled to air at 10 p.m. ET Monday.

"I am guilty of retiring early and there is a reason for that," Favre said, according to an excerpt provided to The Associated Press. "And the major issue is 'Why did he retire,' and 'He asked for a release because he doesn't want to play in Green Bay.' That's not true. And I hope people are hearing this and saying 'OK, that clears it up."'



http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8306816/Favre:-I-don't-feel-welcome-in-Green-Bay


You all still think GB should not release him and move on??

I think GB should start him.

 

[fgssand]

In other news:

World's Oldest STARTING QB Dies at 108


AP
Posted: 2008-07-14 12:22:19
SYDNEY, Australia (July 14) - A 108-year-old Brett Favre who was promoted as the world's oldest QB now starting for the Aussie Packers has died two weeks after making his last pass a "a happy pass," his great-grand son and his online forum said.

 

[jmt57]

And the two sides using the media in order to sway public opinion in their favor continues . . . First Favre uses Mortensen and espn, then Ted Thompson uses Glazer and fox sports, now Favre uses Van Susteren and fox news . . . Okay Packers, tomorrow it will be your turn to hand some reporter the softball questions that you want to be asked so you can give your pre-rehearsed answers.

And how is it that of all the people available, that Favre and Bus Cook decided that Greta Van Susteren was their choice? Because she's from Wisconsin and is a Packer stock holder, that now makes her an NFL expert? If this was any more transparent, it would be pro wrestling.

 

[Jade Fox]

At least one person in the mainstream media (and on ESPN nonetheless) is sick of the Favre love and the drama. Now if only the rest of his peers would feel the same way.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x649v1_sas-favre_latino

 

[PatsFan37]

Apologize for not reading this thread -- but I thought you followers of the Favre drama (queen) might want to know this from USA Today:

According to the Journal Sentinel, No. 1 example of Favre's frustration with Thompson: "I worked my butt off two years ago to try to get them to sign Randy Moss." Favre added that he offered to lower his salary to help get Moss, and that Thompson denied Favre had ever pushed to sign the receiver.

Maybe Moss wanted to play catch with a QB who throws more TDs than interceptions. Ever think of that, Brett?

 

[SVN]

nice article by florio on sportingnews


http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=434609

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Even oldschool Dr. Z is being lucid about this - and warning Favre of the pitfalls of not knowing when to just go home. He could think back to one example of a QB traded late in his career (although he was 32 in that case) and it came back to bite his former team when he won a Superbowl 3 years later. Brett doesn't have 3 years left. For all the others, it became a sad footnote best forgotten at the tail end of their career. And none of those guys had been talking about retiring for 3 years already... 9 times out of 10 when a player starts talking about retiring it's indicative that on some level they already have begun to. Coaches and GM's know that all too well.

Farve says he can still play - he said that in March too. But he also said he didn't want to because he couldn't commit to the off field level he did in 2007 ever again. He can still throw the ball around, it's the extensive film work and detailed game planning and adherence to the play book required by these coaches that wears him out. He's a dinosaur in a coaches league where scheme and preparation matter. Not some sandlot where the QB just wings it. The other 51 surrounding him aren't nearly as gifted - the cap won't allow that even if you could find them - and throwing out the script results in the kinds of disappointing seasons Brett was having before last year. Where publicly or (sorta) privately he blames it all on teamates (or lack thereof) and coaching and coaches and GM's get fired anyway.

A wise old man once told me most people look in the mirror and see what they want to see. That is Farve (and gunslinger's and freelancer's in general in the NFL) in a nutshell. It's never about them unless it wins.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/dr_z/07/14/qbs/index.html?eref=T1

 

[VJCPatriot]

Imagine what the Bears could do if only they had a real QB? I bet they are salivating at the thought of getting Favre on their team. But I don't think the Cheeseheads will grant 'Lord Favre' his release.