Heroes and Goats

[SVN]

iam surprised our offense and playcalling is being mentioned as a goat. false starts and protection yes but we moved the ball well on the eagles. how many times did we punt ? there was no need for maroney early tonite until the eagles adjusted. this is what bb also said effectively in the press conf. We score 31 pts minus the pass int. What else does the offense/playcalling supposed to do ?

 

[upstater1]

iam surprised our offense and playcalling is being mentioned as a goat. false starts and protection yes but we moved the ball well on the eagles. how many times did we punt ? there was no need for maroney early tonite until the eagles adjusted. this is what bb also said effectively in the press conf. We score 31 pts minus the pass int. What else does the offense/playcalling supposed to do ?

We were taken to third down so often tonight. All season long, Brady has used play action fakes to grab huge chunks of yardage. And you have to remember something: 7 of those points came courtesy of the defense. So, essentially, our offense scored 24 points tonight.

That's not good enough. Not with this D. You have to at least fake like you have a running game.

 

[SVN]

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That's not good enough. Not with this D. You have to at least fake like you have a running game.

if we had run the ball in the 1st half and gotten stuffed in 1 series and not score d points we would be questioning why not throw the ball to our great receivers. We did what we could to play to our strengths and that is the passing game.Blame the defense, matt light, stupid false starts @home .We did a lot things wrong but the gameplan wasnt that bad. As an advanced warning watch this same gameplan against the steelers because there will be no point running on them either.

 

[PatsFanVancouver]

McD needs to come up with something different next week...Humble pie will be served with a side of WTF this week.

Oh no, I hope he doesn't. Maybe he'll come back with the "delayed draw out of the shotgun" from the first half of the Colts game. What's with all these cute schemes on offense? It seemed like the Pats were 2nd and long the whole game last night.

Heroes:
Welker - money
Samuel - big plays
Gaffney - has he dropped a ball this year?

Goats:
Hobbs III - awful
Gay - ditto
Kaczur - don't look left Tom

 

[upstater1]

if we had run the ball in the 1st half and gotten stuffed in 1 series and not score d points we would be questioning why not throw the ball to our great receivers. We did what we could to play to our strengths and that is the passing game.Blame the defense, matt light, stupid false starts @home .We did a lot things wrong but the gameplan wasnt that bad. As an advanced warning watch this same gameplan against the steelers because there will be no point running on them either.

No one here is saying run the ball, don't pass. All we're saying is that we should have balance, or at least a RB in the backfield, so that Brady isn't under the pass rush threat that we saw. He had tons of time to throw on playfakes.

 

[usmcmgb]

Friggin Goat of the Game was that mutton-head Matt Light. 2 frigging motion penalties at home with no crowd noise? What the F8CK was wrong with him. I would have benched him.

I'll give Light a pass (no pun intended). It's Kaczur that has to go in my opinion. He can't stop anything. I've seen too many DE's and LB's blow past him this year while he does his matador routine (OLE!!!) and Brady takes a hit. Personally, I'd rather see Hochstein in there rather than Nicky boy.

 

[psychoPat]

.... All we're saying is that we should have balance, or at least a RB in the backfield, so that Brady isn't under the pass rush threat that we saw. He had tons of time to throw on playfakes.

It's all the empty backfield sets
that upset me.

That simply gives away too much.
When it is Faulk in the backfield, how much receiving threat do we lose?
Right. None.

 

[upstater1]

Something was not right last night with the offense.

Late in the game, near the end zone, they went to empty backfield with HEATH EVANS split out wide. HEATH FREAKIN' EVANS!!!!!! Now, whatever you gain by having one extra receiver go out for a pass is lost if that receiver is Heath Evans. Think how much more the play calling would be if Maroney were back there. Even if Maroney just falls and curls up into a little ball as soon as the ball is snapped, he has more of a presence than Heath Evans lining up wide.

 

[cstjohn17]

Holy AFC Championship! I haven't seen a team make so few defensive adjustments since, well, last January...

I don't think anyone is crazy about the pass / run ratio but BB has decided to put the game in the hands of the league's best player and who could argue. The offense scored 24 points and should have has 27 or more, I know we all expect 50+ but in the NFL anytime you score more than 25+ you should win the game.

Heros

• Jay Feeley - The kid was sick, deadly accurate and in rhythm, he took some big shots but kept on going. He was also a hero for the Pats when he threw the pick at the end.
• Eagles O Line - Played very well in pass protection.
• Brady - Huge play after huge play, saved the defense.
• Welker - Love this guy
• Samuel - Forced the Eagles away from his 1/3 of the field for most of the game, still the Patriots couldn't defend the other 2/3.
• Containment on Westbrook - He was obviously the focus of the game plan, didn't really have much of an impact.
• Screen Passes - Some huge screens plays, Faulk, Welker, etc. Neal is a beast when on the move.
• JR Reed - Played a great game and got into Moss' head with the physical play.

Goats

• Dean Pees - People bust on Mangini but he could at least make adjustments and had the secondary playing better with 1/2 the talent of this roster. Not one damn adjustment all game, no man to man to shifts in coverage, nothing, really awful to watch.
• Randall Gay - All the people who suggest that the Patriots will be ok with Gay on one side and Hobbs on the other should examine last nights game. He was consistently targeted and got beat on the same play, over and over.
• #29 (later I found out he is Eddie 'PUP' Jackson)- I was watching and I said who the hell is that guy, hew doesn't look like he knows what he is doing. Then BB yells at him so he goes right back out and gives up a TD.
• Wilfork, Seymour - Were they even playing?
• Ghost - He has to make that FG.
• Bruschi - He is done, teams exploit him. Always 2-3 steps behind, and I love the guy.

In the end a 'character building' win, lets hope the injury report is manageable. It is good for the team to remember how to play in clutch situations, they rose up at the end and found a way to win. Division champs in week 11, unbelievable.

 

[bclaff]

First, the Goats:

--The entire defense
--Josh McDaniels/Bill Belichick for that ridiculous offense
--Laurence Maroney for pissing of the coaches and making them resort to a ridiculous offense
--Matt Light and Nick Kaczur for turnstile blocking
--Randall Gay played a very poor game
--No pressure from the defensive line
--The refs not only called a bogus OPI on Moss, they called Ghost's FG incorrectly. Replays showed that it was in.

Heroes:

--Asante Samuel
--Wes Welker
--Tom Brady
--Adalius Thomas did an excellent job in containing and limiting Westbrook

How in the world did we win?

Don't forget Seau on covering Westbrook on the short passes in the 2nd half.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

The cameras have a much better view.

They do it electronically. When the ball crossed the line, it was within the posts. It's very easy to see. If the ball was in the yellow area when it crossed, it would have been a missed field goal. But it didn't. It was good.

This is simple geometry. It's not hard to do. The ref at the bottom is more fallible in this situation since the goal posts do not rise infinitely into the air. The TV replay however draws a straight line upward from each post.

Ghost's kick was good.

Multi-billion dollar industry. Viewers (customers) have HDTVs. Why the NFL does not adopt simple technology to validate goal line plays, FGs, etc. is unfathomable. Probably because the owners are old guys out of touch with technology. Thankfully the coaching staffs embrace tech and use it well. BB has said time and again that the league needs to buy a couple cameras and put them on the goal line.

 

[p8ryts]

First, the Goats:

--The entire defense
--Josh McDaniels/Bill Belichick for that ridiculous offense
--Laurence Maroney for pissing of the coaches and making them resort to a ridiculous offense
--Matt Light and Nick Kaczur for turnstile blocking
--Randall Gay played a very poor game
--No pressure from the defensive line
--The refs not only called a bogus OPI on Moss, they called Ghost's FG incorrectly. Replays showed that it was in.

Heroes:

--Asante Samuel
--Wes Welker
--Tom Brady
--Adalius Thomas did an excellent job in containing and limiting Westbrook

How in the world did we win?

As usual, fan overreaction.
First, before we complain too much, give the Eagles credit for playing about as well as anyone can play except for the two Samuels interceptions. Feeley was unconscious. Philly has one of the best defensive coordinators in the game and he came up with a great effort from his team. The Pats still won the game. Not because of turnstiles at tackle but because the offensive line did a good job all night handling pressure. Yes they got beat a few times but they fought and hung in there with a determined foe.
Second, there is no surprise blueprint to beating the Patriots Defense. They are vulnerable to the deep pass because they put the corners out there on an island. The middle is always open in our defense. Put that with an unconscious Feeley and some WR's making excellent catches and you have a good offensive approach. The Eagles were still not smart enough to stick with it and lost the game because they challenged Samuels deep at the end.

I didn't think the offense was ridiculous. It scored 24 points against a good motivated defense. It was a plan and it worked, we won.

Laurence Maroney didn't make the coaches do anything. That is the craziest thing I've heard.

It wasn't turnstile blocking. The other team is playing too and last night the Eagles were giving everything they had and played a good game. Give the opposing player some credit.

I don't think Randall Gay played any worse than anyone else

There was pressure but the Eagle plan was to throw quickly and they did an excellent job. John Madden and Mike Ditka said Feeley was making anticipated throws as well as anyone. He was getting rid of the ball quickly and he was making the right read. Good coaching on Philly's part.

We almost lost because the team wasn't quite totally focused making it difficult to respond to a quality opposition on top of their game. Dropped passes, false starts.

We won because we are better, and in the end they made the mistake, we didn't. Oh, and also because we have Tom Brady and Bill Belichick.

It was a good game thanks to a terrific effort by the Eagles and our team responded.

 

[Deus Irae]

As usual, fan overreaction.
First, before we complain too much, give the Eagles credit for playing about as well as anyone can play except for the two Samuels interceptions. Feeley was unconscious. Philly has one of the best defensive coordinators in the game and he came up with a great effort from his team. The Pats still won the game. Not because of turnstiles at tackle but because the offensive line did a good job all night handling pressure. Yes they got beat a few times but they fought and hung in there with a determined foe.
Second, there is no surprise blueprint to beating the Patriots Defense. They are vulnerable to the deep pass because they put the corners out there on an island. The middle is always open in our defense. Put that with an unconscious Feeley and some WR's making excellent catches and you have a good offensive approach. The Eagles were still not smart enough to stick with it and lost the game because they challenged Samuels deep at the end.

I didn't think the offense was ridiculous. It scored 24 points against a good motivated defense. It was a plan and it worked, we won.

Laurence Maroney didn't make the coaches do anything. That is the craziest thing I've heard.

It wasn't turnstile blocking. The other team is playing too and last night the Eagles were giving everything they had and played a good game. Give the opposing player some credit.

I don't think Randall Gay played any worse than anyone else

There was pressure but the Eagle plan was to throw quickly and they did an excellent job. John Madden and Mike Ditka said Feeley was making anticipated throws as well as anyone. He was getting rid of the ball quickly and he was making the right read. Good coaching on Philly's part.

We almost lost because the team wasn't quite totally focused making it difficult to respond to a quality opposition on top of their game. Dropped passes, false starts.

We won because we are better, and in the end they made the mistake, we didn't. Oh, and also because we have Tom Brady and Bill Belichick.

It was a good game thanks to a terrific effort by the Eagles and our team responded.

I'm with you on a lot of this, but Gay was terrible last night. He knew it, too, as you could see when they showed that sideline shot of his teammates consoling him after he'd gotten beat yet again.

 

[upstater1]

As usual, fan overreaction.
First, before we complain too much, give the Eagles credit for playing about as well as anyone can play except for the two Samuels interceptions. Feeley was unconscious. Philly has one of the best defensive coordinators in the game and he came up with a great effort from his team. The Pats still won the game. Not because of turnstiles at tackle but because the offensive line did a good job all night handling pressure. Yes they got beat a few times but they fought and hung in there with a determined foe.
Second, there is no surprise blueprint to beating the Patriots Defense. They are vulnerable to the deep pass because they put the corners out there on an island. The middle is always open in our defense. Put that with an unconscious Feeley and some WR's making excellent catches and you have a good offensive approach. The Eagles were still not smart enough to stick with it and lost the game because they challenged Samuels deep at the end.

I didn't think the offense was ridiculous. It scored 24 points against a good motivated defense. It was a plan and it worked, we won.

Laurence Maroney didn't make the coaches do anything. That is the craziest thing I've heard.

It wasn't turnstile blocking. The other team is playing too and last night the Eagles were giving everything they had and played a good game. Give the opposing player some credit.

I don't think Randall Gay played any worse than anyone else

There was pressure but the Eagle plan was to throw quickly and they did an excellent job. John Madden and Mike Ditka said Feeley was making anticipated throws as well as anyone. He was getting rid of the ball quickly and he was making the right read. Good coaching on Philly's part.

We almost lost because the team wasn't quite totally focused making it difficult to respond to a quality opposition on top of their game. Dropped passes, false starts.

We won because we are better, and in the end they made the mistake, we didn't. Oh, and also because we have Tom Brady and Bill Belichick.

It was a good game thanks to a terrific effort by the Eagles and our team responded.

I consider this quote to be pretty ridiculous: "Feeley was unconscious." We're talking AJ Feeley here. AJ Freakin' Feeley!!!

Also, you need to calibrate your sarcasm meter about my Maroney quote.

 

[DaBruinz]

Friggin Goat of the Game was that mutton-head Matt Light. 2 frigging motion penalties at home with no crowd noise? What the F8CK was wrong with him. I would have benched him.

Yes, and you're so awesome that you never make mistakes..

Light didn't move on the 1st one. It was a BS call by the refs.. Yes, he moved on the second one, but so did the D at the same time as Light.

 

[patsox23]

--Laurence Maroney for pissing of the coaches and making them resort to a ridiculous offense

That's it. Out of all the ridiculous Maroney-bashing posts over the last several weeks, THAT is the stupidest one. Give me a break.

 

[mgteich]

The defensive line provided exactly zero pressure. Pees made no adjustments. In the end, it is the fault of Pees. We have the defensive line personnel. And, the secondary is just not very good, unless there is solid pressure by the defesnive line; but that has been situation since Law and OTIS were our corners.

Is is absolutely unconsiounable for Feely not be under much more pressure than he was.

 

[PonyExpress]

The defensive line provided exactly zero pressure. Pees made no adjustments. In the end, it is the fault of Pees. We have the defensive line personnel. And, the secondary is just not very good, unless there is solid pressure by the defesnive line; but that has been situation since Law and OTIS were our corners.

Is is absolutely unconsiounable for Feely not be under much more pressure than he was.

If Jarvis is a bit hobbled and Seymour is playing like a JAG and AD is playing ILB, the Pats' pass rush is not a mismatch vs a quality O-line, which the Iggles have. As far as blitzes, these were negated by quick passes orchestrated well by a disciplined team. Too many blitzes were to blame for early failures, which were a carbon copy of the 4th and 10 fiasco at Miami 3 years ago, when Feeley threw the winning TD. Scheme could have been better, but the answer was not more or better blitzes IMO. Playing coverage and waiting for Feeley to F up would have been wiser. By and large this worked in the 2nd half.
BTW, did you notice that the long TD to Lewis was a carbon copy of the Lewis TD in the SB vs. Dexter Reid? This game was deja vu multiple times.

 

[upstater1]

That's it. Out of all the ridiculous Maroney-bashing posts over the last several weeks, THAT is the stupidest one. Give me a break.

Maybe if you had a break, it would improve your sense of humor.

 

[BelichickFan]

Is is absolutely unconsiounable for Feely not be under much more pressure than he was.

I would have liked more pressure but there were times in the first half when we got fairly quick pressure only to have Feely throw just in time. That one hit by Harrison is one I remember clearly and there were several others.