Patriots have better defense than Steelers

[qbert]

That might answer it or it might not. Pats' O >>> Steelers' O.

 

[SteelerSteve]

A lot of our points against came when teams were trying to play catch up. For instance, Miami scored 28, but were down 42-7 at the half, Cleveland scored 17, but were down 20-0 at the half. The Cowboys OFFENSE, scored 20 points and Indy's OFFENSE scord 20 points, that's pretty damned dominating (especially AT Dallas and AT Indy). Those offenses are the second and third highest scoring offenses in the NFL, averaging 30+ a game (Ok, Indy is at 29.5). To hold them to 10 points under their average, in THEIR home field is pretty damned good. We have also faced SD, Cincy & Cleveland, who have some pretty good offenses, and gave up 38 points total. SD & Cincy are scoring less than they have been in prior seasons, but to hold them to 21 points total is pretty damned good.

It's interesting, when you break things down, the 16.3 points against average for the Pats is pretty damned impressive considering a lot of points scored againt us came during garbage time (when we were way ahead). Pitt has a wonderful defense, and have given up 21 points less than us, but they also haven't really faced a Dallas or Indy type offense.

Well, they have faced the Browns offense and yes I know they gave up 28 points, but 14 of those points were on special teams. Btw I believe Dallas had like 28 or something, and the colts were without their hof reciever #88. Now I agree that the Pats have a great balanced team, an awesome offense and a pretty stout defense, but to say that you dominated the Cowboys offense....well I wouldn't say dominated, indy's offense wasn't really all that impressive though so I will give you that.
Now about the miami game, I dont know if I would call those points "garbage" points, they were down big, but they obviously made BB uncomfortable enough to put Brady back in to give them a little more cushion, and btw football is a sixty minute game so I wouldn't say any points are garbage points. It is the defense's job to stop the other team and if they dont get it done, even when the game is pretty much wrapped up, then they arent doing their job.

 

[eom]

Well, they have faced the Browns offense and yes I know they gave up 28 points, but 14 of those points were on special teams. Btw I believe Dallas had like 28 or something,

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you guys crack me up.

I don't even know why I bother w/all these wannabe trying to beat the pats on the internet threads, but they can be kind of funny, I guess.

 

[SteelerSteve]

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you guys crack me up.

I don't even know why I bother w/all these wannabe trying to beat the pats on the internet threads, but they can be kind of funny, I guess.

What, the Pats didn't give up 28 points?

 

[TruthSeeker]

Well, they have faced the Browns offense and yes I know they gave up 28 points, but 14 of those points were on special teams. Btw I believe Dallas had like 28 or something, and the colts were without their hof reciever #88. Now I agree that the Pats have a great balanced team, an awesome offense and a pretty stout defense, but to say that you dominated the Cowboys offense....well I wouldn't say dominated, indy's offense wasn't really all that impressive though so I will give you that.
Now about the miami game, I dont know if I would call those points "garbage" points, they were down big, but they obviously made BB uncomfortable enough to put Brady back in to give them a little more cushion, and btw football is a sixty minute game so I wouldn't say any points are garbage points. It is the defense's job to stop the other team and if they dont get it done, even when the game is pretty much wrapped up, then they arent doing their job.

I respect your views, and respect the Steelers D big time. I agree, football is a 60 minute game, in fact I think it is the Pats Mantra this year. But, it is quite normal for a team to put in backups and let up with a 35 point lead, hence Miami coming back to score 28. It happened to the Pats in 2005, they lost to Denver 28-20 I think, but Denver was up 28-3 at one point, so it's typical for a team to let up. The funny thing is you're smart enough to realize that putting Brady back in when the Dolphins "made Belichick uncomfortable" was not running up the score (unfortunately that could not be said about the media), it was neccesary. Belichick was embarrased about the 28 points, especially the 21 in the second half, hence the 52-7 drubbing of the Skins the following week (there was no letting up). The Browns game was very similar, we were up 20-0, and kinda let up, and the Browns scored 17 in the second half.

I believe the final score of the Pats Cowboys game was 48-27. The Boys did score a TD on a fumble recovery return. So in total, the Pats D gave up 4 TD's and 4FG's combined to the number 2 & 3 offenses that average 30 points a game, is pretty damned good.

As far as the Pats D being better than the Steelers D, That's a tough call. The Steelers D has given up 21 less points, but they haven't really played any of the NFL's offensive powerhouses, so that certainly has to go into the equasion. One of the mind boggling statistics provided by the wonderful thread starter is that the teams the Pats have faced have scored more than 200 more points than the Steelers opponents. I'm blown away from that stat, so when faced with the numbers in black and white, strength of opponent, etc, I'd have to give the Pats D a slight edge. 21 points differential seems so miniscule to me now that I've seen the evidence.

 

[patsox23]

Steeler Steve, I'm going to need you to stop saying we gave up more than 20 points against the Colts, please. The Cowboys "points" have been discussed as well, but I'll set that aside. The Colts - offense, defense, ST's - scored 20 points.

 

[JJDChE]

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=66011

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=67260

 

[patsox23]

Whatever. BOTH teams have really good defenses. The Patriots offense is probably better. The Patriots will probably beat the Steelers when they play. We'll have to see.

 

[JJDChE]

Okay, while that logic is interesting I have a question for you, you really think that the Pats defense shutdown Dallas and Indy? didn't they both put up over 20 on you? sorry but it was your offense that beat Dallas, and as for the Colts game, well that was actually just a sloppy game by both teams imo, but they still put up twenty plus on you.

I think the point he's making is, if the Steelers played those teams they would allow more points than the Pats did. Especially on the road where the Steelers have struggled, 2-2 with two losses to losing teams.

 

[psychoPat]

Surprised y'all could sustain this discussion so long
without referencing ColdHardFootballFacts' recent
definitive study of this exact topic:

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_1830_They're_running_up_the_stats!.html

 

[SteelerSteve]

I think the point he's making is, if the Steelers played those teams they would allow more points than the Pats did. Especially on the road where the Steelers have struggled, 2-2 with two losses to losing teams.

Well, I dont know about that, different teams match up differently imo. Thats why you see some teams, even though they appear to be worse teams, give a superior team trouble.

 

[5 Rings for Brady!!]

Okay, while that logic is interesting I have a question for you, you really think that the Pats defense shutdown Dallas and Indy? didn't they both put up over 20 on you? sorry but it was your offense that beat Dallas, and as for the Colts game, well that was actually just a sloppy game by both teams imo, but they still put up twenty plus on you.

The officials put those points on us in the Colts game. Both by giving us fake penalties and by ignoring the blatant cheating by the Colts.

No chance in hell they would have scored less points on you in Dallas or Indy.

Our defenses are both top 5 in the league, meanwhile our offense will own your team. And Ben is only as good as his last pick.

Maybe we will even keep Brady in the game with you guys in the fourth quarter and actually run up the score for the first time instead of taking him out like we have essentially all season.

 

[SteelerSteve]

The officials put those points on us in the Colts game. Both by giving us fake penalties and by ignoring the blatant cheating by the Colts.

No chance in hell they would have scored less points on you in Dallas or Indy.

Our defenses are both top 5 in the league, meanwhile our offense will own your team. And Ben is only as good as his last pick.

Maybe we will even keep Brady in the game with you guys in the fourth quarter and actually run up the score for the first time instead of taking him out like we have essentially all season.

Well, complaining about the officials is ******ed, it makes you sound like a seahawks fan lol, and you say Ben is only as good as his last pick? are you that blind? he has the second best td-int ratio in the NFL you don't know that your offense will own our defense and you have no way in hell of telling that the Steelers offense cant put up points on you. Willie Parker is a ridiculously fast back and all he needs is one good block and he is gone and at the same time Ben is an elite qb capable of picking apart any secondary.

 

[patsox23]

Well, complaining about the officials is ******ed, it makes you sound like a seahawks fan lol, and you say Ben is only as good as his last pick? are you that blind? he has the second best td-int ratio in the NFL you don't know that your offense will own our defense and you have no way in hell of telling that the Steelers offense cant put up points on you. Willie Parker is a ridiculously fast back and all he needs is one good block and he is gone and at the same time Ben is an elite qb capable of picking apart any secondary.

Steeler Steve, you were okay for awhile but then you post this garbage and genuinely humiliate yourself. First of all, Seahawks fans SHOULD complain about officials. Easily THE biggest gift Super Bowl of all-time. And I'm not talking a call here or there - great teams overcome that kind of thing. Pittsburgh got about 5 HUGE calls that were definitely wrong and universally reviled. Seattle has every reason to feel completely JOBBED in that game. But that's beside the point.

Willie Parker is indeed a very fast back - but "all he needs is one good block and he is gone?" Really? Does he have like, 50 touchdowns this season? 'Cause, I mean, wow - just one good block, huh? Impressive...

As for Ben being "capable of picking apart any secondary..." apparently not. And I'm pretty sure he hasn't faced THIS secondary, or anything like it, this season.

Keep talking baseless trash, Steve. You all do. It's been literally YEARS that trolls like you have stopped by, talked crap, and then left without an F-ing WORD after the Pats take down whatever lame-ass has-been they root for. I had hoped you were one of the more knowledgeable, exceptional ones. Sorry to see you've shown your pathetically true colors.

 

[SteelerSteve]

Steeler Steve, you were okay for awhile but then you post this garbage and genuinely humiliate yourself. First of all, Seahawks fans SHOULD complain about officials. Easily THE biggest gift Super Bowl of all-time. And I'm not talking a call here or there - great teams overcome that kind of thing. Pittsburgh got about 5 HUGE calls that were definitely wrong and universally reviled. Seattle has every reason to feel completely JOBBED in that game. But that's beside the point.

Willie Parker is indeed a very fast back - but "all he needs is one good block and he is gone?" Really? Does he have like, 50 touchdowns this season? 'Cause, I mean, wow - just one good block, huh? Impressive...

As for Ben being "capable of picking apart any secondary..." apparently not. And I'm pretty sure he hasn't faced THIS secondary, or anything like it, this season.

Keep talking baseless trash, Steve. You all do. It's been literally YEARS that trolls like you have stopped by, talked crap, and then left without an F-ing WORD after the Pats take down whatever lame-ass has-been they root for. I had hoped you were one of the more knowledgeable, exceptional ones. Sorry to see you've shown your pathetically true colors.

Seriously dude, the superbowl I watched was not that bad of officiating, what happened is that there was one bad call and then everyone jumped on every other call that the refs made, the only completley wrong call was the the low hit the refs called on hasselbeck. If you would like to debate them then fine I will debate every call with you and give you the chance to change my mind.
When I said all that willie needs is "one good block" was a bit of an exaggeration, but I guess I kinda intended it to be interpreted that way. The truth is though, that if he can get around the corner or break free, there is probably no defender in the nfl with the raw speed to catch him.
On to Ben Roethlisberger, he is an elite qb and to say he isn't, well thats just not true. Anybody can see that he is passing better than pretty much any other so called "elite" qb other than Brady. He has the second highest ypc this season and ranked first I believe for career stats, when you add on the fact that he can also hurt teams with his legs that makes for a pretty dangerous qb.
Once again, I was not trolling or talking basless trash, I was stating my opinion. I guess I am not aloud to have one though or I will be called a troll. Seriously what makes you think that I have been a troll.

 

[spacecrime]

Seriously dude, the superbowl I watched was not that bad of officiating

If I was a steeler fan, I'd be damn grateful for the officiating, but I wouldn't pretend it wasn't bad.

 

[Joker]

The Steelers got jobbed the game before the Supe by the refs..in Indy...that was RIDICULOUS...I saw the Supe as sort of a make-up for that

 

[JJDChE]

Well, I dont know about that, different teams match up differently imo. Thats why you see some teams, even though they appear to be worse teams, give a superior team trouble.

This is true.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

To be an elite quarterback, you at least have to go two years with that status from YOUR OWN fan base. I refuse to believe Big Ben is the real deal considering that last year most people in Pittsburgh wanted him benched. I'll agree he is very talented and sometimes reminds me of Brady late in games, but you guys are just riding the high right now. Wait until his inevitable meltdown in the playoffs and then come back here.

 

[zoostation]

Ben is an elite qb capable of picking apart any secondary.

I'm not sure I'd call him "elite", but he has certainly shown me he is better this year than I ever gave him credit to be.