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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.You really don't think with his talent, Freeney couldn't put on some pounds and play in the Pats system?
Or, a better question is, you don't think Belichick, who has proven he will tailor his game plans to his talent, wouldn't find a way to incorporate a talent like Freeney?
Freeney's RS career numbers (through 2006):
-74 games played in 5 seasons, including 16 games each of the last three and 14 in 2003. Rookie year: 12 games. Average of 14.80 per season.
-161 career tackles
-55 career sacks
Seymour's RS career numbers (through 2006):
-87 games played in 6 seasons. Rookie year: 13 games. Average of 14.50 per season.
-176 career tackles
-29.5 career sacks
Now, gut reaction, you watch a game and Seymour is in there and Freeney is in there.
Who do you notice more? Who makes more of an impact?
Honestly?
You CANNOT answer honestly and answer Seymour.
Say you love Seymour because he is a Patriot, say you love him because you're a homer for all things New England, say you plunked down $90 on a Seymour jersey and you just don't want to see him leave.
I will repsect all those answers.
But don't say Richard Seymour is more of an impact player than Dwight Freeney!
do you actually watch the games?
If "impact" means more dramatic plays, you take Freeney.
But Seymour ties up 2 blockers, holds his ground, pushes the pile, and his play allows others around him to compile stats.
Don't go there, dude. Of course, I watch games.
If you wanna start with immature cutdowns and s h i t, take it somewhere else.
We're having a football conversation/debate here.
You really don't think with his talent, Freeney couldn't put on some pounds and play in the Pats system?
Or, a better question is, you don't think Belichick, who has proven he will tailor his game plans to his talent, wouldn't find a way to incorporate a talent like Freeney?
Freeney's RS career numbers (through 2006):
-74 games played in 5 seasons, including 16 games each of the last three and 14 in 2003. Rookie year: 12 games. Average of 14.80 per season.
-161 career tackles
-55 career sacks
Seymour's RS career numbers (through 2006):
-87 games played in 6 seasons. Rookie year: 13 games. Average of 14.50 per season.
-176 career tackles
-29.5 career sacks
So, statistically, they are close.
Now, gut reaction: You watch a game and Seymour is in there and Freeney is in there.
Who do you notice more? Who makes more of an impact?
Honestly?
You CANNOT answer honestly and answer Seymour.
Say you love Seymour because he is a Patriot, say you love him because you're a homer for all things New England, say you love him because he is perfect for this particular system as it is constituted today. Heck, say you plunked down $90 on a Seymour jersey and you just don't want to see him leave!
I will repsect all those answers.
But don't say Richard Seymour is more of an IMPACT player than Dwight Freeney!
I know you dislike Seymour, but you are championing a guy who has zero run D responsibility, yet can only muster 9 sacks in 25 games.
Quite frankly, Freeney isn't even a good DE. He is a liablity against the run. 3 years ago, when he was a good pass rusher, it balanced it a little bit, but he now gets fewer sacks than part-time player Jarvis Green.
What are you impressed with about Freeney? He is now even a below average pass rusher, when he is allowed to do nothing but set up his pass rush.
Don't go there, dude. Of course, I watch games.
If you wanna start with immature cutdowns and s h i t, take it somewhere else.
We're having a football conversation/debate here.
I'm in the Seymour camp. In defense of Freeney. You can't just measure sacks. You should factor in hurries. Just as you can't judge Big Sey by tackles. Because, double teams allow others to make plays. Did you hear Parcells before the Indy game? When discussing the fast vs big defense. The other guys on the panel were talking about the speed of the Indy defense. Tuna just says; "Give me the big guys."
We are talking about 9 plays in 25 games.
That said, Aaron Schobel too, please.
No! You DID NOT just say that!
You're laughing right now, right?
"Got old Armen on that one! LOL!", right?
You're not really suggesting you'd take a guy who plays 7-9 games a season and has a backup who is arguably more effective than he is over the highest-impact-RPM-motor-running D-Lineman in the NFL, are you? ARE YOU?
Can you even IMAGINE Freeney on this team? With Adalius Thomas and Vrabel and Warren and Wilfork?
Oh, my God, you're talking late '70's Steelers, the greatest D-Line ever assembled!
Wow! The Kool-Aid has permeated deep!
I am certain - I KNOW - Belichick disagrees with you. So does Pioli.
If they could trade Seymour for Freeney tomorrow, straight up, it's done!
He couldn't carry Reggie's jock.
Not to mention that the Colts losing Freeney is much more serious than the Pats losing Seymour for the following reasons:
1) The Pats have greater talent and depth on the defensive line than the Colts
2) New England is accustomed to playing without Seymour due to his chronic injury history
3) Freeney is a player of greater impact than Seymour
(and don't anyone even start arguing that you'd take Seymour over Freeney, because if you do, you're just whacked. WHACKED!)
Don't go there, dude. Of course, I watch games.
If you wanna start with immature cutdowns and s h i t, take it somewhere else.
We're having a football conversation/debate here.