taking out bradys knees

[skspikex2]

Re: OTL stoking the fire

I'm not worried about the Colts' D-line going after Brady. Why? Because if Brady gets knocked out of the game, Manning WILL leave the field on a stretcher in the following series. You think Harrison would have any problem blowing out the guy's knee for Brady's sake at that point?

Deliberately attempting to injure a player in any set of circumstances is downright disgusting, and even if it was in reaction to Brady, I wouldn't be happy with it, but that is the only circumstance in which I could even tolerate it. The Colts are the only team in the league with as much to lose as we have on that front, and therefore they just won't instigate that chain of events.

You are absolutely right. If the Colts are dumb enough for a late hit or any hit with an attempt to injured our beloved QB, Harrison will do the exact same thing X10 next series.

I'm just hoping a good game with no one injured, but i'm not so sure anymore with the latest "new thing" is taking out Brady's knees.

 

[xmarkd400x]

If a team took out Brady @ Gillette...

... and I mean on a completely illegal, after the whistle play, what would happen? How deep would trash litter the field?

Would they line up Rodney as a WR and have Cassel throw up picks just to tee off on D-backs?

If I was in attendance I would be ANGRY.

 

[RobAllan]

Re: Wilbon endorses knocking out Brady thru dirty play

It is clear to EVERYONE there is a definate problem here. No one in the media ever suggest taking a shot at a player. This is very rare and very, very STUPID.

People in the media do suggest this. They used to say it about Manning "hit him in the mouth," et al. "Rattle his cage. Get in there and hit him." They said it about other guys too... Montana, Young, Elway, Marino, all of them. This isn't new or unusual. Wilbon has overstated it, clearly. But it's not new. Heck, people said it about Randy Moss too when he was with both the Vikings and Oakland. "Make him pay." I can't even count the times I've heard that said about Moss, Wayne, Jerry Rice, etc. It IS football folks. You actually are supposed to hit people. The harder you do it, the better. That's how you play hard-nosed football.

So it's not clear to EVERYONE. If he's saying you take a cheap shot, dive at the knees, and injure the guy-- that would be news. That's also not what he said.

 

[Speedy Welker]

I hope taking out the knees on a QB won't happen to TB when we play the Steelers....

Remembered Carlson Palmers in the play offs??? yeah...that would be suck.

 

[Kdo5]

Re: OTL stoking the fire

I'm not worried about the Colts' D-line going after Brady. Why? Because if Brady gets knocked out of the game, Manning WILL leave the field on a stretcher in the following series. You think Harrison would have any problem blowing out the guy's knee for Brady's sake at that point?

Deliberately attempting to injure a player in any set of circumstances is downright disgusting, and even if it was in reaction to Brady, I wouldn't be happy with it, but that is the only circumstance in which I could even tolerate it. The Colts are the only team in the league with as much to lose as we have on that front, and therefore they just won't instigate that chain of events.

LOL. Never thought of it that way.

 

[BradyFTW!]

After watching Brady's truly scary demeanor on the field yesterday (the intensity and focus), I have to say I don't think he has a problem with this at all. He's like BB would be if BB was a HOF QB. Yikes, he's scary.

Same with Manning. Anyone remember that hit put on Manning when they played the Redskins last year? He looked like he was going to be snapped in two. All he did was get up, take a deep breath and proceed to destroy the Redskins thereafter. It was a serious F U moment.

That moment singlehandedly changed my mind about Manning. I went from thinking he was a whiny choke artist who threw teammates under the bus to suddenly considering "hey, damn, this guy is tough as nails. Gotta respect a guy like that".

 

[shmessy]

I disagree. History tends to bear out that PLAYERS (on any team) take a serious dislike at the notion of DELIBERATE ATTEMPTS to injure. It makes for cute Hollywood movie lines ala "Sweep the leg" Cobra Kia stuff. But it's unrealistic to think that many players would deliberately go out there with the strict intent to "Get Brady" and end his season/career.

Sure, there are low blocks and "horse collar" heros out there, but for the most part, I view those much like holding penalties (i.e. compensation for poor technique, or getting schooled on a play). I think that the mentality that would have a player say "I'm gonna go out there and break his leg on this one" is pretty rare.

We FANS may think like that, but our multi-million dollars careers are not at stake either. Players know that you are one play away from "ending your career", and I'm sure they take that serious.

Think of how much the league and, more importantly to the player, the PLAYER'S ASSOCIATION would react to someone deliberately hurting Brady, Manning, etc.

That dude would lose his pension on the spot and would live the rest of his life under a highway bridge like Jack Tatum.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Wilbon endorses knocking out Brady thru dirty play

It is sickening that a nationally recognized writer would advocate hurting another team's QB. Wilbon should be ashamed of himself.

On a side note, if the Redskins' defenders could get within a mile of Brady, maybe the Pats wouldn't have been able to run up the score.

 

[BadMoFo]

Re: OTL stoking the fire

Hmm, it's looking like a Jim Sorgi-Matt Cassell AFC Championship game.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Re: Wilbon endorses knocking out Brady thru dirty play

So it's not clear to EVERYONE. If he's saying you take a cheap shot, dive at the knees, and injure the guy-- that would be news. That's also not what he said.

Not in those exact words. He DID say take a deliberate late shot with intent to injure. Use your imagination, as limited as it demonstrably is.

"And if I was (sic) on the opposing team, I'd hit Tom Brady with everything I had as late as I could and take the penalty and join the fight that would surely follow. Football is a violent game and there's got to be somebody out there sharpening his fans for the Patriots Golden Boy in the 4th quarter one of these weeks."

A deliberate attempt to encourage 'cheating' on the writer's part. Cheating being the deliberate breaking of a rule, like hiting a player late without regard for his possible injury and career, or operating an unallowed camera openly on the sideline. You decide which rule infraction is worse.

 

[shmessy]

Back in 1986, while playing the Green Bay Packers, the Bears' Jim McMahon, ever a darling of New England fans everywhere, was the victim of a vicious cheap shot by defensive lineman Charles Martin, who, after the play (an interception, I believe), picked McMahon up and slammed him on the artificial turf, resulting in a separated shoulder.

I don't know what became of Martin after that (he was suspended by the league), but there are all kinds of dummies and tough-guy wannabes in the league who would (doubtless) kill for a shot at such "immortality".

But a previous poster was right - you can't play this game scared.

He's living under a bridge with Jack Tatum.

 

[RobAllan]

Re: Wilbon endorses knocking out Brady thru dirty play

Not in those exact words. He DID say take a deliberate late shot with intent to injure. Use your imagination, as limited as it demonstrably is.

"And if I was (sic) on the opposing team, I'd hit Tom Brady with everything I had as late as I could and take the penalty and join the fight that would surely follow. Football is a violent game and there's got to be somebody out there sharpening his fans for the Patriots Golden Boy in the 4th quarter one of these weeks."

A deliberate attempt to encourage 'cheating' on the writer's part. Cheating being the deliberate breaking of a rule, like hiting a player late without regard for his possible injury and career, or operating an unallowed camera openly on the sideline. You decide which rule infraction is worse.

And I'm not saying you should do that. I think there was some hyperbole there, don't you? Have you ever heard him or Kornheiser talk before? They say things in hyperbole to make a point. This is no different than that.

My imagination isn't limited. I'm just not suffering from tunnel-vision or long-term memory loss and treating this as some kind of newsflash that hasn't occurred every single year in the history of the NFL.

 

[letekro]

Re: OTL stoking the fire

Completely agree with what Bob Ley said, and I believe Smith is right about someone wanting to take a shot at Brady.

Shouldn't you be in church or at Walmart or something?

 

[upstater1]

Re: Wilbon endorses knocking out Brady thru dirty play

You don't think linemen on all NFL teams are trained to hit that QB if it's close enough they won't get a flag? That's all I'm saying. This isn't new to the NFL. It's always been that way.

Wilbon might be saying more than that. If he is, then he's a moron. But if that's all he's saying, there's no problem there.

I thought Wilbon was suggesting a late hit to hurt the QB. That's out of bounds. The rest, hitting the QB after he releases the ball, is typical in the NFL.

You're really missing the point here Rob. If he's not saying hurt the QB illegally on a late hit, then what is he saying? I really have lost all track of what you're arguing. Are you saying he's suggesting a defender should hurt Brady within the rules of the game? That goes without saying. It's redundant, as long as you're not going for the head or knees. You don't even need to say it. It's like Redskins fans suggesting Taylor should have knocked Brady in the mouth in the fourth quarter. A very stupid statement. Taylor should have knocked Brady in the mouth in the first quarter when the score was 0-0, not in the 4th when it was 38-0.

You're saying this goes on all the time? Yes, we know. That's why when someone advocates a late hit, they are suggesting something different.

 

[CountChocula]

Re: Wilbon endorses knocking out Brady thru dirty play

I thought Wilbon was suggesting a late hit to hurt the QB. That's out of bounds. The rest, hitting the QB after he releases the ball, is typical in the NFL.

He is absolutely suggesting a late hit with intent to injure!

 

[Franchise12]

whats really hurting the integrity of the game are a majority of the teams that cant play to our level. you would have thought that the quality of play in the nfl would be better but it truly sucks only 3 teams are playing great ball. the real reason why the nfl gets worked up about running the score up isnt about lack of class its about ratings. ratings drop when people see that the score is out of reach.

 

[Michigan Dave]

Re: OTL stoking the fire

I think what all of the media folks perpetuating this story forget is the great amount of respect TB has from the players in the league. Players look out for one another and don't just "bounty" good guys for blowing their team out. Tommy carries himself with class on and off the field, and is well-liked by other players. He's no renegade QB running up the score and talking crazy smack degrading the opponent. He's a great player executing an offensive gameplan.

 

[Metaphors]

Re: Wilbon endorses knocking out Brady thru dirty play

The goal is to legally hit the QB on every pass play. I do not expect anything other than every team trying to get to Brady every single play of every single game. A late or dity hit however is not tolerable no matter the circumstances. To suggest a late or dity hit because you can't stop them is acting like a baby with no integrity. Have some damn pride and stop them if you dont want them scoring. Or just quit and stop trying to score yourselves damnit. What the hell kind of mind frame to people have to have to even suggest that one team should stop trying but allow the other team to still try their hardest...

There is absolutely nothing stopping a team from taking a QB out of the game with a late hit on every single play of every game. Just run at him from the side, dive at his knees and pop every ligament that he has. 15 yard penalty, you get ejected and likely suspended for an extended number of games. If I'm Jacksonville, I would have no problem losing my 53 player on my roster for the year (or forever) if Manning has knee surgery.

Only 2 things prevent this from happening:
1) Professional integrity...though this isn't as big an impediment as you might think
2) Money

As soon as this happens the first time, the NFL becomes the "old west" and every QB would be taken out in succession over the next several weeks. Everyone realizes that the Billions (with a 'B') of dollars taken in by the league depends on superior QB play (contrary to the evidence presented in London yesterday). As much as people hate Brady/Manning and how they stand in their way to reaching the SB...they love the ratings they draw and the money that flows in as a result.

 

[RayClay]

This seems to be the sentiment from fans everywhere. go to any rival site and I guarentee you there is a patriots thread. open the thread and you will see idiots talking about our "lack of class" yet ironically the suggest taking bradys knees out. THATS WHAT THIS HAS COME TO GUYS, scared and insecure fools no longer able to think up a real way to beat the pats so the suggestion of intentionally injuring #12 seems rational. now thats class

Would have been a good idea not to perpetuate it, eh Einstein?

 

[Bella*chick]

Re: OTL stoking the fire

How much of this is hysterical overreaction by the media yet again? And the fans? I really wonder.

I am SO SICK of the rest of the league right now.