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The reason for declining TV viewership could simply be the NFL was not really sold the emerging generation to watch the entire game - the generation with the least patience. Asking them to watch 3.5 hours with lots and lots of commercials. Then expect them to do this all Sunday afternoon, Monday evenings, Thursday evenings. A lot of people keep track of the game but don't watch the entire game - listen or follow online.
 
All of the major sports leagues are in for a market correction ... some more or less.
Anyone doing business with the NFL is going to get hurt courtesy of Goodell and his merry henchmen.
 
The reason for declining TV viewership could simply be the NFL was not really sold the emerging generation to watch the entire game - the generation with the least patience. Asking them to watch 3.5 hours with lots and lots of commercials. Then expect them to do this all Sunday afternoon, Monday evenings, Thursday evenings. A lot of people keep track of the game but don't watch the entire game - listen or follow online.
I understand not everyone likes soccer but it is so much easier to watch and invest emotions when you know it's 45 minutes to the next commercial. The NFL should entertain the idea of charging a bit more for commercials and taking at least 25% of them away. Strive for commercials only after scores ... and not after punts at all.
 
In the words of Chris Berman: "ESPN is back, back, back, back, back, and gone!"
 
espn is msnbc with footballs/basketballs.

**** em, i hope they continue to go down the toilet!!
 
I understand not everyone likes soccer but it is so much easier to watch and invest emotions when you know it's 45 minutes to the next commercial. The NFL should entertain the idea of charging a bit more for commercials and taking at least 25% of them away. Strive for commercials only after scores ... and not after punts at all.

I don't have a problem with the commercials. I just zip through them and go on to the game, or whatever it is I'm watching.

On the rare occasion that I might be forced to watch a commercial I'll usually have a backup station ready to go just in case.

As it turns out, the times that I have the worst experience with commercials now is when I attend the games and have to stand there uncomfortably waiting to get the action going, even though everyone appears to be raring to go.. Funny how that works.
 
I hate Goodell but he works and obeys the owners.. I don't think he is calling the shots. I don't like ESPN so they can go down in flames for all I care. I never watch Sportscenter or really any of their shows anymore. I use to but I actually like the local sports channels better.

The only thing I find odd about some of these comments is its like you want the NFL to go down in flames. That means all of the championships and the accomplishments of the Patriots would eventually be meaningless. Do you just not like Football and want it to fail? If so why are you on a Patriots forum?
 
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I hate Goodell but he works and obeys the owners.. I don't think he is calling the shots. I don't like ESPN so they can go down in flames for all I care. I never watch Sportscenter or really any of their shows anymore. I use to but I actually like the local sports channels better.

The only thing I find odd about some of these comments is its like you want the NFL to go down in flames. That means all of the championships and the accomplishments of the Patriots would eventually be meaningless. Do you just not like Football and want it to fail? If so why are you on a Patriots forum?

I think it's like a lot of other things, esp this election year - too angry to think straight. I would not mind a downsizing of the NFL, but not it's demise. In the 1970's it used to be play football on Sunday, with a couple of one hour shows during the week. Then you were hungry for the next game. Now we have sports radio/TV 24/7 and social media - overkill.
 
ESPN the brand is highly recognizable -- so to the dismay of a lot this means ESPN is not going away. At worst they would go back to the smaller but profitable "so can Roy Munson pick up the 7 - 10 split?". However, ESPN's financial model is kaput and their preeminence is significantly and likely irreversibly diminishing. And as far as ESPN the business either they are paralyzed by the elitism bubble causing incompetence (see: Goodell, Roger) or they have no answer. Their model has been withering on the vine for 2 years, it has been so obvious even Ron Borges could piece it together, yet they appear to have no solution.

ESPN acted like a spoiled rotten high school kid getting his/her first credit card from mommy and daddy. 3 billion for NBA and NFL for a sub paid cable station? It's semi reminiscent of of the dot com bubble of 2000 with ESPN, sorta, the Worldcom or Global Crossing of its era. Disregard COB in favor just getting as many subscriber/customers at any cost.

IMHO the NFL and ESPN declines from a business standpoint are not connected. The NFL may be a blip. They could see viewership return and stabilize. They still have a product that is partly OTA. Bottom line: what is happening this year has too little data points to know if it's an irreversible trend. Further, the NFL itself could do a lot to improve the on field product that has a tangible chance to attract/maintain a tangible slice of viewers they may be losing right now. Additionally, the NFL's ratings were so extremely lofty to begin with that even a 25% drop still leaves them high above everyone else. OTOH ESPN's model was much less about viewership and content, and soooo much to do with growing the captive sub audience (gee that was never going to change/get interrupted because of this Internet thingy!). Consider this, ESPN could mimic the networks, create and put on shows as successful as The Big Bang Theory and some popular dopey singing/dancing competition, yet even that will see them continue to head precipitously downward. Their model was just so dependent on captives, a model that's over - it's kaput. ESPN now must make their content appeal to a wider audience, significantly up the amount of people who want to watch ESPN shows, rebalance the business plan with a newer and greater emphasis on getting 18-49 year olds to watch their shows especially between 8-11pm to maximize ad revenue, and accept the glory days of 100 million captive subs paying 7$ a month to (over)pay for sporting contracts with the ultimate in sports viewership NFL and penultimate NBA (both of these leagues are viewership titans but both are susceptible to an array of 'things' that can cause viewership to significantly fluctuate).
 
I think it's like a lot of other things, esp this election year - too angry to think straight. I would not mind a downsizing of the NFL, but not it's demise. In the 1970's it used to be play football on Sunday, with a couple of one hour shows during the week. Then you were hungry for the next game. Now we have sports radio/TV 24/7 and social media - overkill.

Well a downsizing of the salary cap is a good possibility. If they want to keep growing they are going to have to generate revenue some other way. I don't really care if owners don't make as much or if the players make a few million less, I just want my football.
 
The "golden age" of the financial success of the NFL is going to end in 2020. No network is going to pay the kind of money they are paying now for an audience that is decreasing at an alarming rate. I would not be surprised if the TV money drops by 20%. In fact I'll be surprised if they can keep the drop to 20%. I'll also be surprise if the NFL isn't strong armed into doing something for the networks before that 2020 date if the audience losses continue into 2017.

The days of the NFL dictating to the networks are over. They "just aren't goint to take it anymore". And that makes me very, very happy.

BTW- Not that I give much of s **** about what will happen in 2020, Don't be surprised to see the best run teams start to make plans for a drop in the cap number, like making sure that any new contract they sign will keep that in mind for years going beyond 2020

PF, no doubt your assumption is very possibly correct but to be fair it is based on a small sample. 2016 is simply an insufficient amount of data to erase the last 3 years of titanic viewership. Yes, if 2017 and even 2018 see 2016 viewership levels? You're spot on and the earthquake in the NFL that sees the cap/player salaries drop is inevitable. (side note: I hate to see player salaries go down but OTOH a shake up of the nitwits behind the NFL will be good for the long term of the game).

On the networks not paying as much: the consumer dollar that can cause the biggest upward swing in a company's sales (via inane commercials featuring a bunch of asshats twitching and yammering around) still is reached most efficiently via NFL games. 18-49 (most especially but certainly not exclusively males) is the hardest consumer group to reach that (A) has $$$ to spend and (B) susceptible to new purchases and brand switching. While its oversimplifying a bit (especially if one demo is saturated while another demo is not penetrated), in general if a company is taking a giant chunk of their profits for an ad campaign: they can go after other demos/groups where the stats suggest is just not likely to produce optimal sales gain (and these demos can be reached through other, cheaper ways). Or they can pay through the nose for the few exclusive ways to reach that optimal demo/ group that is most susceptible (spend big, switch) to responding to the ad campaign. It is this reality that makes the NFL even more powerful than just its already titanic total viewership.
So don't be surprised to see networks still paying through the roof to get the NFL. It may be less than before but if the NFL remains a select few to reach the optimal demo, the networks are likely to pay close to the same even with softening viewership numbers.
 

Once the ball is snapped NFL football is a vastly superior entertainment product to soccer. It's tenderloin versus chuck. However, soccer has one huge thing going for it: when you eat nothing but chuck from birth to adulthood you will believe its the best. Most of the world has been eating chuck... :)
 
Got to assume MNF might also get the axe.
I would think SNF would get the axe before MNF. MNF along with 2 games on Sunday proved to be a staple that worked....It's the add ons (Thurs, SNF) that are saturating...
 
I would think SNF would get the axe before MNF. MNF along with 2 games on Sunday proved to be a staple that worked....It's the add ons (Thurs, SNF) that are saturating...

Not sure. SNF ratings from 2 days ago were down 37% from previous year but they still pulled in a 11.8 share - which is still very, very good.

MNF did a 8 share a couple of weeks ago which for what ESPN pays I can't imagine they are getting their ROI for the 10 yr $15b deal they signed in 2011.
 
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Not sure. SNF ratings from 2 days ago were down 37% from previous year but they still pulled in a 11.8 share - which is still very, very good.

MNF did a 8 share a couple of weeks ago which for what ESPN pays I can't imagine they are getting their ROI for the 10 yr $15b deal they signed in 2011.
I wonder if part of the reason is the quality of the games. Most of the Monday night ESPN games have been dogs..to be kind......
 
I wonder if part of the reason is the quality of the games. Most of the Monday night ESPN games have been dogs..to be kind......

IMO that absolutely has something to do with it. I think it was Matt Chatham who openly questioned how players can get in football shape in the preseason without practicing football (tackling, hitting, etc) Bodies aren't getting conditioned enough to deal with what happens on game days. Might be something to that theory.

It was either a poster or a writer who proposed that the teams playing on TNF should be coming off the bye. With that idea the good part is the players receive more rest leading up to the game and a few extra days of rest after TNF. The bad part is they have a shorter bye.
 
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