Post Game Thread- Pats @ Jets

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

I don't know what "invincable" is but then, I have no idea what "we aren't going to win forever" has to do with "I'm right on paper" because you're WRONG on paper...the Pats are 9-2 and in first place in the AFC East. What is it, the need to be undefeated and kill every team they play that produces these "thoughts"? Yeah, ok...get a dozen cupcakes and crawl back in your "safe space". You ARE going to be disappointed someday for sure.

When did I ever say we need to be undefeated or we kill every team we have to face? Your argument is illogical and heavily rides on trying to belittle me and my opinion. Valid opinion, dare I say. Yes, the Patriots are 9-2 and first in the AFC East and that is awesome and hip hooray I am loving that, but this goes back to my point that we are "slowly falling apart".

I'm not scared of you nor will I back down on my opinion either. Brady is 39 (though knowing Brady he can go on longer), Gronk is made of glass, Gost is becoming unreliable and coaching errors have been common since last season. Brady, Gronk, BB are GOATS and all, but not superhuman.

Belittle me all you want. I won't run or break my logic due to that. Though, I think its more likely we both end up dissapointed eventually and one of us will be more shocked than the other.

 

[Joker]

I'm NOT belittling you. YOU do that quite handily for yourself. What you consider "logic" however is extremely specious. If you're in this to be "less shocked" when "it's all over" I suggest a freakin' good shrink. You have esteem issues.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

I'm NOT belittling you. YOU do that quite handily for yourself. What you consider "logic" however is extremely specious. If you're in this to be "less shocked" when "it's all over" I suggest a freakin' good shrink. You have esteem issues.

Whatever you say Joker.

Belittle me and take jabs all you want: If that's how you need to get your point across then its probably not one I should read to much into. All I know is this: My self esteem is very high, I hope I'm wrong on NE and I have no plans on calling a shrink. Though, I know somebody in this thread who "may" need one within the next five years

 

[Joker]

OK..you win Stuart...

 

[The Brandon Five]

5. A real juggernaut..

3. Two points were scored by the defense

 

[rochrist]

Oline needs to be addressed next season with serious talent. And I mean proven starts. Big, angry, tough a**holes that can command the trenches. Some have made the point "They were up against a great DLine!", which I don't discredit, but ask yourself, when is the last time Brady has had a SINGLE clean game where the Oline gave him time and didn't have him running around for his life? I can't remember one...

He's on a pace to be sacked 25 times if he played a full 16 games. That will be one of the lowest sack totals in his career. Not /the/ lowest, but pretty close.

 

[rochrist]

I know it's not easy, but it's been 9 years of the same ****. And in terms of stats. Brady was near to most pressured of all QBs last year with pressure on over 32% of his snaps and about 21% of those end up in a sack (not good). Considering how elusive he is in the pocket, that just points to how awful the O-line is.

It has to be a priority because of how vital it is. Brady is now 39. He can't keep running for his life and getting hit 25 times a game. Without an O-line, the offense can't do anything. An O-line can make average receiver look like All-Pros when they give Brady time to find them. They can open huge holes for JAG backs. But behind a crappy O-line, even NFL legend backs aren't going to be able to do anything and your mid-to-deep plays can't develop, even when you have Randy Freaking Moss.

So that must be why Blount is on pace to rush for 1264 yards, way over his career high.

 

[supafly]

He slipped in the draft because of his back injuries. He has endured multiple disc surgeries.

Rob Gronkowski could have quit football at 21 and been a millionaire | The MMQB with Peter King

Great read and thanks for sharing, Mack, but just to clarify---Gronk did not have "multiple" disc surgeries. That would have been impossible for him to continue playing since they'd almost certainly have fused his back due to lack of remaining disc material/fluid during the 2nd surgery (which never happened). There was just one injury and surgery.

He had the exact same injury and surgery that I recently had, which is a cleanup of the material that had leaked through/ruptured/herniated (choose your term) the disc itself and was now pressing on nerve endings. Most of the time it involves debilitating sciatica symptoms, which Gronk described perfectly. You can barely stand the pain, walk, sit, sleep, etc.

 

[deroc5050]

Gronk isn't gonna last long. He just.. I don't know I guess he is just injury prone. He plays with reckless abandon for the most part but most TE's do. Probably some of the best skills a tight end has ever had unfortunately this will probably be his last NFL contract.

 

[Ring 6]

When did I ever say we need to be undefeated or we kill every team we have to face? Your argument is illogical and heavily rides on trying to belittle me and my opinion. Valid opinion, dare I say. Yes, the Patriots are 9-2 and first in the AFC East and that is awesome and hip hooray I am loving that, but this goes back to my point that we are "slowly falling apart".

I'm not scared of you nor will I back down on my opinion either. Brady is 39 (though knowing Brady he can go on longer), Gronk is made of glass, Gost is becoming unreliable and coaching errors have been common since last season. Brady, Gronk, BB are GOATS and all, but not superhuman.

Belittle me all you want. I won't run or break my logic due to that. Though, I think its more likely we both end up dissapointed eventually and one of us will be more shocked than the other.

You are wrong.

 

[Brewskies]

Great read and thanks for sharing, Mack, but just to clarify---Gronk did not have "multiple" disc surgeries. That would have been impossible for him to continue playing since they'd almost certainly have fused his back due to lack of remaining disc material/fluid during the 2nd surgery (which never happened). There was just one injury and surgery.

He had the exact same injury and surgery that I recently had, which is a cleanup of the material that had leaked through/ruptured/herniated (choose your term) the disc itself and was now pressing on nerve endings. Most of the time it involves debilitating sciatica symptoms, which Gronk described perfectly. You can barely stand the pain, walk, sit, sleep, etc.

Superfly, I have bad case of stenosis so I am somewhat knowledgeable about your back pain, hang in there. I take pain pills every 8 hours , get epidural shots and walk with a cane.

As for the Pats, I posted in the GDT that this team is not a championship caliber team. After the last 3 games against Seattle great team and two cellerdwellers our offense is too inconsistent with 8 good receivers and 3 very good running backs.

We are 9-2 I know but it pains me to watch Brady these last 3 games. The coaching is hurting at timesand that's not the usual Pats.

 

[supafly]

Pats are leaking info to PFT that gronk will be not missing time next week ? Have you seen how they handle injury news for 16 years?

As you seem to insinuate, we should all take these injury reports with a grain of salt. There have been plenty of examples where someone was "okay" either during or directly following a game (like Dion Lewis last year) where they remain on the sideline, etc, only to realize within the next days, weeks, or even months, that their injury was more serious than initially feared.

As far as Gronk goes--I don't really know how anyone could possibly know right now? They couldn't. As mentioned in the article that @Mack Herron linked, the initial treatment of just about any back/disc injury is usually physical therapy and/or epidural steroid injections. The hope is that with rest, the body may re-absorb some or all of that fluid that leaks or erupts from the disc itself, without need for surgery. Sometimes it happens, but often it doesn't. Either way, we don't know without confirmation from imaging/MRI, and even then, they wouldn't be likely to rush him into surgery. It would most likely be something that they'd try like hell to avoid through constant therapy and steroid epidurals (can usually have 3 per calendar year). If he did require surgery, it most likely wouldn't be done until the offseason.

 

[AtomicDawg]

Gronk isn't gonna last long. He just.. I don't know I guess he is just injury prone. He plays with reckless abandon for the most part but most TE's do. Probably some of the best skills a tight end has ever had unfortunately this will probably be his last NFL contract.

Then every NFL player is injury prone then. Brady too for that matter. I love it how people (not you but others in this thread) love to call him p***y in the comfort of their computers but I guaran-damn-tee if he was in front of their face they'd melt like a damn puppy. Hilarious.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

You are wrong.

Trust me, I hope I am. Though, the last five times I've been called wrong I've been proved right four out of the five times on other forums. Irrelevant statistic, but I'm usually either right or on the right track usually.

I'm not wrong often, but I want to be here. Though, most people who challenge my opinions are idiots like this guy: "I think you're wrong Kagami (my other username) because I know anime will be banned by 2015"

I just hope I am here in 2020 and you are all laughing at my post from 2016.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

Since "dominance" is a keyword (or similar word) being bandied about, I would agree that we are not, in deference to the lofty level of "dominance", firing on all cylinders.
On the offensive side, the O appears to me to not be moving that ball as easily as it was earlier in the season. OL inconsistency? TB's injury? Other injuries? Defense's have figured something out that BB and staff haven't found an adjustment for?
Whatever the reasons it appears the passing game is not as frequently executing the drop and pop like it was earlier in the season. Further, unlike we are accustomed to, ST's is (are?) leaving points on the field because SG is in a semi-funk. It all adds up to a somewhat less potent offensive showing. The good news is when urgency descends on the O they still seem to be able to move the ball.
On the D side of the ball, we are all seeing passing yards pile up. My guess is the middle of the field is soft due to the fluid and unsettled situation in the LB group. The pass rush being middling certainly isn't going to help mask that.
The good news even when the O sputters at points during the game the D isn't letting the hole get unmanageably deep. Our ability to keep the points total lower than average is uncanny yet welcome.

There's obviously good news and bad news in the above write up. But what isn't in the above write up is two critical items: (1) We are 9-2, the playoffs are all but a certainty, the division crown is distinctly likely, and a first round bye remains more likely than not. As Tuna once said (paraphrase) the record tells you what you are.(2) Unless you are new to Patriot fandom, what we are seeing is probably closer to the norm than not. This team frequently goes through a valley or two in the course of a season (Two years ago it went from Patriots dynasty is over to SB champs). Yet when it is all said and done the Patriots much more often than not end up in a small, elite group of teams that are vying for the trophy -- and we'll either win or be right in it until the final minute of a game. So while it's great to have a dominant juggernaut, as fans we are fortunate to know the team is very likely to be in it or near it in January with each games at worse an entertaining nail biter to the last second.

 

[Triumph]

Saw him walk off the field without help and a normal gait. If Gronk could barely walk it was from embarrassment after seeing Brady and Bennett limp off the field and into the locker room after both manned up.

Bad backs can stiffen up from 1 minute to the next.

 

[AtomicDawg]

I think the team is falling apart, buts its been and still is a slow process. Some people disagreed with me in the game thread, but I don't see this claim as an overreaction. We lost to the Seattle Seahawks, barely beat a 1 win team and likely lose that game against an average team and struggled against a Jets team that is bad (but always plays us hard anyway), injuries are starting to become more common, Gost isn't as reliable, etc. I'm not saying we can't win in January, but this team needs to piece together pieces that are tearing apart.

I think people are taken aback by the insinuation that you feel the team is "falling apart", when they are 9-2 and the #1 seed. So are the Raiders "falling apart" as well? They almost lost to the Panthers. Are the Seahawks "falling apart" because they only scored 5 points against the Bucs AND LOST AT HOME? Injuries are as common as the cold. They have gotten through them to the tune of 9 wins. They got through them today even when it seemed grim. I don't know what else they can do.

 

[supafly]

Superfly, I have bad case of stenosis so I am somewhat knowledgeable about your back pain, hang in there. I take pain pills every 8 hours , get epidural shots and walk with a cane.

As for the Pats, I posted in the GDT that this team is not a championship caliber team. After the last 3 games against Seattle great team and two cellerdwellers our offense is too inconsistent with 8 good receivers and 3 good running backs.

Thanks for the kind words. I haven't gotten much of the feeling back in the leg just yet, but I did have the same surgery that Gronk had, in terms of de-compressing the nerves that were being destroyed from the leaky material pressing on them. Luckily for him, he was very young at the time (only 19 yrs old in 2009) and seems to have recovered from that situation quite nicely.

I wish you the best in your battle, @Brewskies. Chronic back pain can be debilitating. I hope that yours can at least be "managed" with some of the pain pills and epidural shots. For me, the epidurals helped a lot (numbers 2 and 3---the first one didn't help at all), but sadly I could not avoid surgery in the end.

I share your concerns about it not being a championship year, believe me. That said, we can take comfort in knowing that our offense can usually hang in there with just about anyone, so we should have a shot come January--as usual. Will it be enough? Maybe/maybe not, but all we can do is try and enjoy the ride.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

I think people are taken aback by the insinuation that you feel the team is "falling apart", when they are 9-2 and the #1 seed. So are the Raiders "falling apart" as well? They almost lost to the Panthers. Are the Seahawks "falling apart" because they only scored 5 points against the Bucs AND LOST AT HOME? Injuries are as common as the cold. They have gotten through them to the tune of 9 wins. They got through them today even when it seemed grim. I don't know what else they can do.

Why would Oakland be falling apart at 9-2? That's their best record in a long time

I'm not saying New England can't win in January. I'm not saying we won't be 9-2(or 8-3 or whatever) to start the 2017 NFL season. I'm trying to say that I can see the cracks forming of the eventual end of this dynasty and I think it will be over by 2020. Brady is 39 (playing great) though making more mental mistakes recently.. granted he was injured today, Gronk is like glass and might be gone sooner than later, Gost is having issues (though other kickers do), and coaching errors seem to be occuring more often. There are other reasons too, but I can see the cracks. Maybe I'm wrong though because:

I am human. I'm not always right. I HOPE I AM WRONG! We'll see though. If I am proved wrong and this team is still dynamic and deadly by 2019-2020 then you all can laugh at me and put me in the dumb posts hall of shame

 

[Ring 6]

Trust me, I hope I am. Though, the last five times I've been called wrong I've been proved right four out of the five times on other forums. Irrelevant statistic, but I'm usually either right or on the right track usually.

I'm not wrong often, but I want to be here. Though, most people who challenge my opinions are idiots like this guy: "I think you're wrong Kagami (my other username) because I know anime will be banned by 2015"

I just hope I am here in 2020 and you are all laughing at my post from 2016.

Omg you are right about cartoons clearly you can teach us all about football.