NFL executives offer their take on the Patriots and the trade possibilities for Jimmy Garoppolo

[PScottman]

I'd like to see it too and think there's a chance he could play well into his 40s.

In this current generation, the "in the 40s" aspect is an interesting one in that medicine and science have allowed for a better foundation of health and fitness for players. They didn't grow up with the majority of people, including possibly their parents, smoking for example. Food is generally of higher quality and nutrition and fitness knowledge more widespread. Of course the variables of genetics also plays into it. Some players "wall" may be 41, while in others it's 43. The one in a million might be 47. Lastly, the successive generation also gets a vote - while the 40+ year old may not have totally regressed due to muscle mass loss, bone density regression, general wear and tear, etc - the 24 year old is not just younger, but overall a smidgeon faster, quicker, stronger than the generation before for many of the same reasons the 40 y.o is still playing.

The bottom line however is that wall...no matter what age it finally ends up being...is usually very tall and sudden. One day = great, next day = what the &^%$ just happened?????????

 

[convertedpatsfan]

If Brady wins another ring this or next year, I think he will retire before he is traded. If he doesn't, he may be inclined to keep chasing another ring on another team but it'd be hard. I don't think he would want to move his whole young family.

There's no way Brady retires in the next two years unless his performance drops significantly. He's going to play as long as a team lets him. He's been training and dieting and developing techniques to maximize his career so I just don't see him riding off into the sunset at his peak.

One other thing to consider is if Jimmy leaves as a free agent, odds are it's a conditional 3rd round pick for us. So need to factor in that into the equation of what a year of Jimmy is worth to us vs. what we can get in the trade market.

 

[Big Bucks]

Where does this idea of five years come from? If you think Brady is playing five more years you've got another guess coming.

Mike Lombardi was on the Skip and Shannon show on fox and said he has a text showing Brady wanting and expecting to play till 2025! lol Its on page 1

 

[Big Bucks]

Another possibility on this is that the way the NFL is going, it would be of no surprise that hitting the QB becomes obsolete totally. Not because of injuries or concussions but because of the lack of talent at the position. It afterall is the #1 reason parity at the moment doesn't work. So within 2 seasons Tommy could be under centre knowing he isn't going to get hit. They could change it to play is over if QB is touched. His longevity would mean 2025 is indeed possible.

 

[IllegalContact]

Cassel was a seventh round pick who hadn't thrown a pass in a meaningful game since high school before he took over for Brady in 2008. He didn't look like Garoppolo because he wasn't a very talented QB. Yet, the Pats made him look like a decent enough starter.

So what if Garoppolo's first half was the best first half by any QB this year. You do realize Nick Foles is tied for first in NFL history for most TD passes in a single game with 7. Why don't the Pats just sign Foles next year and trade Garoppolo? The Chiefs are going to cut Foles because his cap hit next year is $10.4 million.. Problem solved. If not Foles, Matt Flynn is tied for second for most TDs in a game.

If you don't get my point, one game doesn't mean much.

And you do realize that the Pats have had four QBs start a game in the Brady era. Not exactly a big sample size to compare.

Garoppolo executed better than any of them......the data that does exist is compelling......if you want to make an argument that it is meaningless because there's simply because there's not enough of it, that's fine....I disagree, but can see the basis of that claim

Cassel being a 7th round draft pick is irrelevant.....what he did since high school is irrelevant....he had the best offense in the history of the game to work with and he still looked like a total moron at times

you're intent on the look you want so feel free to run with that, but you've not been convincing at all

 

[sb1]

No team is giving up 2 1st round pucks for a qb with 6 quarters of play.

Nor one first round pick.

 

[NashuaPats]

Nor one first round pick.

As opposed to using a first round pick to draft a QB who has yet to play in the NFL? Someone will.

 

[aluminum seats]

As opposed to using a first round pick to draft a QB who has yet to play in the NFL? Someone will.

Yeah, exactly. It's silly to say no one would give a first round pick, of course they would.

 

[Rob0729]

Garoppolo executed better than any of them......the data that does exist is compelling......if you want to make an argument that it is meaningless because there's simply because there's not enough of it, that's fine....I disagree, but can see the basis of that claim

Cassel being a 7th round draft pick is irrelevant.....what he did since high school is irrelevant....he had the best offense in the history of the game to work with and he still looked like a total moron at times

you're intent on the look you want so feel free to run with that, but you've not been convincing at all

I am sorry, but six quarters is not enough to judge a QB. They say it takes a good 4-8 games of game film for teams to develop a book on a QB and understand his strengths and weaknesses. Clearly the Dolphins didn't because they let his receivers run free.

Until you see him with teams actually game planning against him based on game film, you will not know what he is. That is the fact of the NFL. You really don't know what you are going to truly get with a QB for a year or two. We have seen QBs come out of the gates like gang busters and fade in a year or two. It is the fact of the NFL.

The fact that Garoppolo was a second round pick and Cassel was a 7th round pick is very relevant. Cassel was a a 7th round pick and never played a meaningful snap in college is relevant because he was a limited QB. In 2008, the Pats turned Cassel who's true ceiling is a very good back up QB into a slightly above average starter. The Pats have never had a player with any talent play QB behind Brady

I really don't care if I convince you or not. If the Pats trade Garoppolo in the offseason (which I think is very likely if someone offers them a first and another high draft pick or more), you will be greatly disappointed.

I don't think Belichick is as high on Garoppolo as some people on this board are. In fact, I know he isn't because some people are already penciling him in as the starter for the Pats until 2029. I don't think Belichick is as sure of his talent as many people on this board.

 

[IllegalContact]

I am sorry, but six quarters is not enough to judge a QB. They say it takes a good 4-8 games of game film for teams to develop a book on a QB and understand his strengths and weaknesses. Clearly the Dolphins didn't because they let his receivers run free.

Until you see him with teams actually game planning against him based on game film, you will not know what he is. That is the fact of the NFL. You really don't know what you are going to truly get with a QB for a year or two. We have seen QBs come out of the gates like gang busters and fade in a year or two. It is the fact of the NFL.

The fact that Garoppolo was a second round pick and Cassel was a 7th round pick is very relevant. Cassel was a a 7th round pick and never played a meaningful snap in college is relevant because he was a limited QB. In 2008, the Pats turned Cassel who's true ceiling is a very good back up QB into a slightly above average starter. The Pats have never had a player with any talent play QB behind Brady

I really don't care if I convince you or not. If the Pats trade Garoppolo in the offseason (which I think is very likely if someone offers them a first and another high draft pick or more), you will be greatly disappointed.

I don't think Belichick is as high on Garoppolo as some people on this board are. In fact, I know he isn't because some people are already penciling him in as the starter for the Pats until 2029. I don't think Belichick is as sure of his talent as many people on this board.

yea.....I think you're manufacturing an argument to support what you want

Garoppolo has show nothing to say he's not the guy and as long as that is the case, it would be idiotic to let him go with the hope that then next guy can get the job done.....if you haven't noticed, no other backup ever showed anything that would have you say he might be that guy......

as for the 4-8 game argument, that's pure garbage.......that has never proven to be any more accurate....

 

[Rob0729]

As opposed to using a first round pick to draft a QB who has yet to play in the NFL? Someone will.

Yeah, that the thing. Teams have given up as much as three firsts and a second to trade up to draft an unproven draft prospect QB. So there could be a team or two who sees trading for Garoppolo as a safer bet than trading up for whoever is among the top QB draft prospects this upcoming draft. All it takes is one.

 

[IllegalContact]

Yeah, that the thing. Teams have given up as much as three firsts and a second to trade up to draft an unproven draft prospect QB. So there could be a team or two who sees trading for Garoppolo as a safer bet than trading up for whoever is among the top QB draft prospects this upcoming draft. All it takes is one.

and all it takes is one QB to keep it going after Brady........you can have all those draft picks, but if you don't get the QB, they will likely be wasted

 

[sb1]

The way I see it is if my team needed a QB would I want them to part with a first rounder for a soon to be 26 year old project with six quarters of real NFL experience who showed in that time he could be a decent NFL starter in the Patriot system?

Key points being "could be" and "in the Patriot system"?

Can't say I would. I'd also like to know who these "NFL executives" are. I doubt they are anyone who know the Pats any more than we fans do.

 

[Rob0729]

yea.....I think you're manufacturing an argument to support what you want

Garoppolo has show nothing to say he's not the guy and as long as that is the case, it would be idiotic to let him go with the hope that then next guy can get the job done.....if you haven't noticed, no other backup ever showed anything that would have you say he might be that guy......

as for the 4-8 game argument, that's pure garbage.......that has never proven to be any more accurate....

Sure Garoppolo has shown nothing to provehe isn't the guy, but what he has done is the equivalent of sitting down and taking the SATs , answering the the first three questions, getting them right, and then proclaiming he is done and give him the 1600 (or whatever is the perfect score these days is) because clearly he is going to ace the entire exam if he finished it.

Garoppolo has been great in the limited amount we have seen and if that is what he is for his entire career, the Pats shouldn't trade him. But we have no idea if that is what he is.

We haven't seen him play in a game where teams game plan for him.

We haven't seen him play in a game where the Pats are way down and he has to lead them back.

We haven't seen him in a game where he gets knocked around a lot.

We haven't seen how he might wear down over the course of a season.

We haven't seen him play in cold weather.

We haven't seen him play when his receivers are knocked off the line of scrimmage.

We haven't seen how he responds after have a bad game and whether he can bounce back the next or does it get into his head.

Do I need to go on? Or have I made my point?

 

[Rob0729]

and all it takes is one QB to keep it going after Brady........you can have all those draft picks, but if you don't get the QB, they will likely be wasted

Except we have no idea if Garoppolo is that guy. And stop saying you do because you don't. The only people who have a real idea is the Patriots' coaching staff and even they would be guessing.

 

[IllegalContact]

Sure Garoppolo has shown nothing to provehe isn't the guy, but what he has done is the equivalent of sitting down and taking the SATs , answering the the first three questions, getting them right, and then proclaiming he is done and give him the 1600 (or whatever is the perfect score these days is) because clearly he is going to ace the entire exam if he finished it.

Garoppolo has been great in the limited amount we have seen and if that is what he is for his entire career, the Pats shouldn't trade him. But we have no idea if that is what he is.

We haven't seen him play in a game where teams game plan for him.

We haven't seen him play in a game where the Pats are way down and he has to lead them back.

We haven't seen him in a game where he gets knocked around a lot.

We haven't seen how he might wear down over the course of a season.
We haven't seen him play in cold weather.

We haven't seen him play when his receivers are knocked off the line of scrimmage.

We haven't seen how he responds after have a bad game and whether he can bounce back the next or does it get into his head.

Do I need to go on? Or have I made my point?

you haven't made any point at all......you're just taking shots in the dark to reverse engineer your point

carry on

 

[Fencer]

It's not obvious to me how to compare the risks of:

• Drafting a rookie in, say, the middle of the first round.
  
• Trading for somebody proven through 6 quarters, but then only having 1 year to evaluate him before having to pay him big bucks.

This is separate from the point that if you draft somebody and he works out well, you might get to underpay him for a few years.

 

[IllegalContact]

Except we have no idea if Garoppolo is that guy. And stop saying you do because you don't. The only people who have a real idea is the Patriots' coaching staff and even they would be guessing.

so stop acting like you have any clue

everything he has shown points in the right direction.......I'll take that......you would rather hope that the next guy who rolls along will do the job.....I would bet that Garoppolo is that guy long before some future draft pick is.....your points are ridiculous

 

[Rob0729]

so stop acting like you have any clue

everything he has shown points in the right direction.......I'll take that......you would rather hope that the next guy who rolls along will do the job.....I would bet that Garoppolo is that guy long before some future draft pick is.....your points are ridiculous

The funny thing is I am admitting that I don't have a clue of what Garoppolo is going to be as a starter. It is you who declared him as the heir apparent.

The fact is until he plays a season or possibly two, no one knows for sure what he is going to be including the Patriots coaching staff. It is impossible to tell from a small sample like six quarters and practice reps. The only way to really know is a significant body of work like a season of football.

The only one being ridiculous is you. I am being rational stating we don't know what the guy is because we have only seen a very small sample size. I reserve my judgement on the guy until I see more, but I support a trade if someone bowls the Pats over with compensation. I am willing to roll the dice that way because I think there is as much chance of him being an average QB as an elite one (possibly more of a chance of it). You are the one who is talking about not trading the guy under any condition after seeing six quarters of the guy.

 

[The Gr8est]

The way I see it is if my team needed a QB would I want them to part with a first rounder for a soon to be 26 year old project with six quarters of real NFL experience who showed in that time he could be a decent NFL starter in the Patriot system?

Key points being "could be" and "in the Patriot system"?

Can't say I would. I'd also like to know who these "NFL executives" are. I doubt they are anyone who know the Pats any more than we fans do.

I think Brandon Weeden was at least 26 years old when Cleveland drafted him in the 1st round, and he hadn't played in the NFL* yet.