Patriots make major update to Wells Report In Context site

[ReverendMaynard]

I'm done with you. You just keep flip flopping back and forth between "there was no avenue to appeal" and "they had no chance to win an appeal" depending on which suits your argument. ( or which of the two was just successfully shot down by the guy you're trying to snowball).

Kraft could have appealed. He didn't, to the detriment of the Patriots' players, coaches, and fans. He ****ed up. He knows it. He apologized for it. Stop trying to convince us all that he did the right thing.

 

[OhExaulted1]

No it isn't.



I am comparing an owner who sued the league to your comment that Kraft can't sue the league because owners are not allowed to. Pretty simple.


There is no difference. If owners are not allowed to sue the league, owners are not allowed to sue the league. You can't be a little bit pregnant.

You can no longer file an anti-trust suit against the NFL, which is what Davis did.

The anti-trust exemption is gone.

 

[Ring 6]

You can no longer file an anti-trust suit against the NFL, which is what Davis did.

The anti-trust exemption is gone.

That is irrelevant.
You said an owner cannot sue the NFL.
Al Davis sued the NFL. His case was not rejected based upon being unable to sue the NFL.

Other than you being wrong, this is a moot point any way.

The point is Kraft needed to take everything that is in the Wells Context and actually use it in the forum he had the right to do so, an appeal of the punishment.
He chose to 'end the rhetoric'.

Sadly those who have seen the Wells context are 100% certain of the Patriots innocence, but Kraft chose to not try.

 

[OhExaulted1]

I'm done with you. You just keep flip flopping back and forth between "there was no avenue to appeal" and "they had no chance to win an appeal" depending on which suits your argument. ( or which of the two was just successfully shot down by the guy you're trying to snowball).

Kraft could have appealed. He didn't, to the detriment of the Patriots' players, coaches, and fans. He ****ed up. He knows it. He apologized for it. Stop trying to convince us all that he did the right thing.

The arguments plain and simple. Yes, he could have appealed. No, he would not have gotten a reduction in the penalty and the picks are gone.

The rest is just a dog and pony show. Everyone's feelings are irrelevant. Somehow people here actually think if Kraft fought the penalty it would have changed the hearts and minds outside of the 5 1/2 NE states or something.

Yeah, OK.

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

The arguments plain and simple. Yes, he could have appealed. No, he would not have gotten a reduction in the penalty and the picks are gone.

The rest is just a dog and pony show. Everyone's feelings are irrelevant. Somehow people here actually think if Kraft fought the penalty it would have changed the hearts and minds outside of the 5 1/2 NE states or something.

Yeah, OK.

You mean the handful of cranky people who say dumb things in internet comments sections because they have no life and are mentally disturbed? Yeah, there are literally hundreds if not thousands of them and there's no changing their minds. As for the millions of other people who have lives, are not stupid, and give a sh*t about the truth, it may have been worthwhile to stick up for your team in front of those kind of people when your team is getting f*cked.

 

[Mack Herron]

How do you negotiate when its over and you have lost?
Am I missing something here? You are saying after Brady loses and has no recourse the league will come to him to negotiate the penalty that just got affirmed?

That is not what I said. I am merely pointing out that Goodell may have been willing to negotiate the suspension (NFL offered Brady “at least 50 percent” reduction in exchange for admission of guilt). The legal option was preferred and Brady won. If Brady loses on appeal, this possibility could arise again. Under such a scenario, it would be good to have additional ammunition to barter the price. When asked if he would reinstate the penalty if he won the appeal, Goodell left the door open:

Goodell was asked if the league will reinstate the four-game suspension to Brady if the NFL wins in appeals court.

“This is not the individual player issue. This is about the rights that we negotiated in the collective bargaining agreement,” Goodell said, not answering the question. “We think they’re very clear, we think they’re important to the league going forward, and we disagree with the district judge’s decision.”

As to the simple question of whether the league will re-apply the punishment to Brady which it already administered once and upheld after a day-long appeal hearing, Goodell would not say.

“We’re appealing, I’m not going to speculate what we do depending on the outcome,” Goodell said. “We’ll let the outcome be dictated by the appeals court. We’ll deal with it then.”

Roger Goodell Evades Specifics When Asked About PSI Violations, Tom Brady's Suspension

 

[Ring 6]

The arguments plain and simple. Yes, he could have appealed. No, he would not have gotten a reduction in the penalty and the picks are gone.

You don't know that.
You are arguing that he shouldn't appeal because you know what the result would be.
That is not a reason. It's like be saying Brady should retire because I know he is going to get a career ending injury. Then when you say why he shouldn't retire, I say nothing matters except that he will have a career ending injury.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

You can no longer file an anti-trust suit against the NFL, which is what Davis did.

The anti-trust exemption is gone.

What are you talking about? The exemption is not gone. It should be with the NFL being run like a criminal organization, but it isn't.

 

[Mack Herron]

Good commentary from Hurley here and some possible motivation:

Yet after Friday’s development, it feels safe to say that not only is the fight still alive, but it just got a fresh can of diesel fuel dumped on top of it in the form of an 8,000-word essay attacking the NFL’s credibility for the league’s actions and behaviors throughout the saga known as “DeflateGate.”

Now, all that’s left is for someone to light a match.

Whether that actually happens — now, next week, at the owners’ meetings the week after that, or any time before the draft in late April — will be the real story. If Robert Kraft deems that he has been unmistakably wronged by Roger Goodell and the NFL, and if Robert Kraft demands to have the “DeflateGate” punishments amended and lessened, then we will have ourselves a big-time story. But if, ultimately, the team’s only war is waged on a WordPress blog, then there’s frankly not much to see here.

In the end, he too is puzzled as to the reason:

One can only wonder what will be the next shoe to drop.

Are Patriots Still Fighting NFL? 8,000-Word Essay Doesn't Make It Clear

 

[Jlaff]

I see they're backing away from the weight loss explanation for the deflator. Probably for the best I think.

I never had too much issue with it, always thought the facts are the facts, because that's what the facts were (if that makes sense).

Lots of stupid people pointed at that and laughed because they thought it was a dumb explanation. I saw that more as projecting their own stupidity on the Patriots, because those laughing couldn't think of a better explanation themselves. Well, I think everyone can agree, if just looking to make up an excuse, intelligent people could come up with better (for instance, nothing more than the fact that his job involves air pressure). They went with the "dumb" explanation because it was the truth, and for me that actually made it more believable.

 

[Jlaff]

**BREAKING NEWS**

Goodell murdered Kraft during meeting between owners and Commissioner.

Jonathan chooses not to bring wrongful death suit against league, as legal minds in the media say all teams contracted out of right to sue.

 

[SVN]

I actually liked the site when it was up. Now it seems like a lame way of fighting back. Go and talk to the nfl and do something . These passive updates are meant to appease fans to show they did something. Its absolutely meaningless.

 

[SVN]

It could be an empty threat, but he might be doing everything he thinks he can to save Brady. I never said he would follow through with the threat, but it might be the message he is sending.

Well..he couldve sent that message when he backed down last yr. Didnt even attend brady's hearing.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

There's always back alley politics going on in the NFL, maybe Kraft has something he's working on behind the scenes, we'll never figure it out from our vantage point. Kraft's very smart, if he really feels the league effed him (and i think he does) I don't think he'll do nothing, what he does, I have no idea nor could imagine what it could be. My popcorns ready though.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

The NFL gave up it's antitrust exemption status BTW. You're comparing apples to asteroids.

The NFL gave up its tax exemption.

It hasn't given up any of its anti-trust exemptions.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

You can no longer file an anti-trust suit against the NFL, which is what Davis did.

The anti-trust exemption is gone.

Untrue. Federal law holds void contract provisions purporting to force you to waive your right to sue on anti-trust grounds. So it doesn't matter what the NFL puts in the agreements on that front.

 

[OhExaulted1]

The NFL gave up its tax exemption.

It hasn't given up any of its anti-trust exemptions.

I misunderstood that. Point taken.

 

[Lavictoire]

Kraft can have his investigators dig up all kinds of dirt and corruption on Goodell then privately meet with him and tell him someone sent him a dossier of Goodells dealings anonymosly and maybe we can keep this quiet and come to some kind of remedy for the deflategate fiasco.

 

[Big Bucks]

Really surprised the NFL offices haven't been targeted by hackers.

Especially ones from the New England area

 

[Koma]

Really surprised the NFL offices haven't been targeted by hackers.

Especially ones from the New England area

All the hackers need to do is figure out if Goodell's password is integrity, Integrity, INTEGRITY, or InteGoodellrity and they'll be in.