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Once the Pats bounced back.....again in the 4th quarter and tied the game (including 2 fourth down plays). I really didn't care who won the game. Overall I had thought the Jets had played better, but they should have played better. They were at home, with a better roster, and a more desperate situation. Still the game was there for taking, but in the end the Jets made the plays and won a game they should have won. Fortunately for us, it was a game we could afford to lose. So lets break this down into the things I liked and what I didn't. plus some general observations.

1. OK let's get this over with. Let's start with the OL. We have now lost 4 of the 5 offensive linemen that started the superbowl last season. Who goes through THAT kind of turmoil and still wins 12 games. Want to know why BB chose to KO in OT, just look at the OL we had out there for the game tying drive. LT- Stork, LG, Mason, C Anderson, RG Jackson, RT- Cannon. :eek: Once again we had our #5 LT on the field. Plus 3 rookies, a guy playing totally out of position, and a journeyman back up. That was the OL going against one the best DL's in the league.

During this game I saw guys get beat. I saw guys block the wrong guys to let guys in. I saw soft and hesitant play. Face it, the OL is a mess, and when you combine that with the lack of options outside, and no running game, it is not a good situation for the offense.

The problem here is I have no idea how they can clean it up in the next 3 weeks, so there can be some semblance of stability and dependability for our playoff run. Let us face it, we are starting 3 rookies along the OL along with some other guys like Stork who is in a 2nd year that he missed half of now playing out of position. It is no wonder it is a mess. It makes no sense to call out individual players and say they suck, because the entire situation is so unsettled that to blame any one player at this point is pure folly and totally unfair.

Assuming Volmer is gone for the playoffs (and even if by some miracle he isn't) Josh and Brady are going to have to limit the playbook so they can simplify what they doing along the OL so we can help those kids with the mental side of the game, so that they can relax and get physical. I will be interesting to see how Waddle did in his time out there. Clearly asking him to be a LT after about 14 days with the team was a reach of major proportions, but I wonder if he showed enough positive signs that will look good for next season.

Make no mistake, I believe this OL will eventually become a very good one. But it will take time, and we really don't have any of that right now. We are just going to have to make due with what we have. It will be a coaching job of epic proportions that isn't going to solve itself by have DA and Edelman come back (though it would sure help some)

2. I hated that we essentially conceded the last 2 minutes of first half. Like I said in the game thread, if we aren't playing to win, then lets get Brady and Gronk out of there and let someone else get a shot. I thought it sent the wrong message to the team.

That being said, I can perfectly understand why he did it there, and kicking off in the OT. They were all decent strategic moves.....just not ones I wanted to see. I'm sure Brady wasn't happy either. The question I would ask is, "why be so conservative? we had nothing really to lose. Let it all hang out and if if we lose, we lose"

3. I really thought the defense let the team down, hence the title. 20 points SHOULD have been enough to win the game. There were stretches in the game were the defense played VERY well (like for the entire 4th quarter), and there were times where no pass rush was accompanied by bad coverage and the expected results occurred..

3b. I need to have an explanation for the reason why Brandon LaFell was completely ignored in this game plan. One catch and as far as I can remember only one other target. What's up with that? Gronk was another guy who was conspicuously under targeted for this game. Whether it was by choice or the way the game played out I don't know. But if Brady has one failing, it is that he doesn't do what so many other QB's in this league are doing more and more, which is give their receivers a chance to "make a play", even when they are covered. Now I don't want him to turn into Joe Flacco, but there are times, like today, when you just have to let it happen. Days when you aren't going to be able to successfully run 12-14 play drives down the field.

4. The play that really optimized the day for me was the 3rd and long where Richards missed a tackle that would have forced the Jets to kick, and instead the drive continued and the Jets scored. This wasn't a matter of a great move by the receiver. Richards made the hit with perfect form, but didn't wrap well, and control his body enough to bring the man down. That happened a number of times in this game. Good tackling HAD been a hallmark of this year's team. This afternoon, for some reason, it wasn't.

THE THINGS I LIKED.

6. When the Pats were getting torched with the Jet running earl in the game, I wrote in the game thread that I felt these were just excellently schemed plays against a defense the Jets were expecting, and Matty P would, after a few series, vastly improve the execution. The stats will show that the Jets ran for over 140 yards for the day, but only had about 40 in the second half (and that's if you include Fitz's 13). Once they knew what was being done to them, they really did close it down.

Kudo's to the Jets for finding the inherent weaknesses in certain Pats defensive schemes, but Kudo's to the Pats for adjusting and shutting them down starting around the 2nd half of the 2nd quarter.

6. I liked that the Pats once again showed the mental toughness to not only overcome the injuries coming into the game, but to also bounce back from the huge loss of Volmer early in first quarter. They certainly handled it a lot better than I did. Ironically it was the injury to Richards that finally did them in, because it was 2 DB's (and I don't know who) running into each other that allowed the Jet receiver to break open for 50 yds on the pick play.

7. I liked the job Keshawn Martin did. 7 catches and around 70 yards is a good day. I also like the way Bolden caught the ball. He is the archetype "solid" RB in this league. The epitome of a "do your job" guy. I sincerely hope that by the playoffs Steven Jackson will have taken most of his snaps but if he winds up being our main RB during this playoff run, then I'm good with it.

8. It will go unnoticed by most observers, but Ryan Allen had a great day today. His kicking helped keep the Pats close at a time where the Jets could have broken the game open.
 
General observations:

9. While we beat our breasts as the realization sets in that we have lost to the Jets today, one look at what occurred around the league should drive home the point (again) how hard it is to beat ANY team in this league. We lost in OT to a good team (top 10 in offense and Defense) a desperate team, at home, while missing a LOT of pieces of our own. How then do you explain the Steelers laying an egg against the Ravens and Ryan Mallett. :eek: How do you explain the Panthers losing to the sorry Falcons, :eek: GB getting crushed by AZ, and Seattle getting swamped by the Rams, not to mention KC barely eking by by the Browns.
All but in the GB game, the the loser faced a much tougher opponent that the Pats did, and still fell.
Our problems today kind of fade in comparison to what Steeler, Denver, Seattle, and Packer fans are going through right now. Think about it. There are scenarios where the Steelers OR the Broncos could actually miss the playoffs.

10. I thought this was one of the best officiated games of the season, and I want to publicly apologize to Beakman for thinking even for a second that he screwed over the Pats on the coin flip. Clearly he knew that BB wanted to kick off and it was Slater who was confused thinking he could choose to KO AND which direction to kick.

Kudos to Scott Zolak for quickly setting the story straight even before BB's presser. No story here, though I doubt that will stop Felger for making it the focus of his Monday show. :rolleyes:

10. I happy Ryan Mallet had his moment in the sun. He may never have the opportunity to win another game in the NFL, but at least he has this one. If you look back at the series of events that led up to his being cut by the Texans, it's not one you'd have expected. Good for him. I hope this helps him turn his life around. He can be a productive back up in this league.

10b. Similar good thought to Kembrell Thompkins on having a nice day for the Pats. A day that could have been even better if Fitz had been ore accurate on the long ball. Very classy move by BB to check on him after he got hurt.

11. I think we are going to have to come to grips with the realization that the Jets are going to be around for a while as a worthy opponent in the division. Boles looks like he is the kind of stead leader that will only get better over time. Fitz will give them a solid QB for the next few years, and their GM had a decent draft last season. The days of the "sad sack" Jets left town with Rex. They will be a team to be reckoned with in the future.

12. I don't understand how you can throw the ball for over 330 yds and score only 12 points. Is that even possible?

13. Who knows, if this win eventually knocks out the Steelers it might make it worthwhile. The Jets are a good team, but they aren't coming to NE in January an beat a Pats team that will have DA, Edelman, McCourty and Chung on the field. I also don't believe the Steelers can do that either, but you have to admit that that offense would be scarier.

Bottom Line: there is really nothing to take from this loss, except to get healthy. The fact is that it is very likely that we will have BOTH DA and Edelman back in January for the playoff push. Even at less than full health they will bring a huge upgrade to the offense. Getting McCourty and Chung will also add to the defense. However like I said, I don't know what we can do about the OL except simplify what is expected of them.
 
There's a reason for the defense's lackluster performance - they were missing their top 2 safeties. The CBs have played well all season long, but the safeties are the strength of this secondary. McCourty and Chung have both been spectacular this year.

Not to mention that Hightower was obviously well below 100%.

Even so, it wasn't a disastrous performance by any means.
 
More martin and less lafell. The reason lafell was ignored was because he can't get open. Just dissapointing play from him.
 
I really thought the defense let the team down, hence the title. 20 points SHOULD have been enough to win the game. There were stretches in the game were the defense played VERY well (like for the entire 4th quarter), and there were times where no pass rush was accompanied by bad coverage and the expected results occurred..
I disagree with this. It's largely BECAUSE of the defense that New England was even in the game. Collins' scoop and score was huge in helping compensate for the anemic offense; otherwise, the Pats score a grand total of 13. Playing without both starting safeties and still holding a healthy Jets offense to 20 in regulation was about as good as could be hoped for.
 
#11.
I wouldnt make book on Fitzpicksix sticking in swampland just yet. They have the small problem of overpying for a slowing down great cb and needing to figure out how to pay top $ (of at least competitive) to both a FA qb and dl. Fitzy may not be great, but may very well be best fa qb available this offseason.
 
I disagree with this. It's largely BECAUSE of the defense that New England was even in the game. Collins' scoop and score was huge in helping compensate for the anemic offense; otherwise, the Pats score a grand total of 13. Playing without both starting safeties and still holding a healthy Jets offense to 20 in regulation was about as good as could be hoped for.
I don't disagree, except that this was one of those times where we needed the Defense to "win the game", I thought they did a decent job after the first drive of the 2nd half....UNTIL the OT.

That was when the defense HAD to make a stop. That was the job they were entrusted to do, when BB chose to KO. they failed. Also the kind of defense that "wins" games doesn't allow over 450 yds of offense. Hence, while they didn't play "badly", they didn't do their job either, which was to stop the Jets and give the Pats a chance to win it with a FG.
 
I don't disagree, except that this was one of those times where we needed the Defense to "win the game", I thought they did a decent job after the first drive of the 2nd half....UNTIL the OT.

That was when the defense HAD to make a stop. That was the job they were entrusted to do, when BB chose to KO. they failed. Also the kind of defense that "wins" games doesn't allow over 450 yds of offense. Hence, while they didn't play "badly", they didn't do their job either, which was to stop the Jets and give the Pats a chance to win it with a FG.


No, the Defense did do its job. It held the Jet to 20 points despite being thoroughly banged up. They played their hearts out for a full 60 minutes; and had nothing left afterwards...
 
I don't disagree, except that this was one of those times where we needed the Defense to "win the game", I thought they did a decent job after the first drive of the 2nd half....UNTIL the OT.

That was when the defense HAD to make a stop. That was the job they were entrusted to do, when BB chose to KO. they failed. Also the kind of defense that "wins" games doesn't allow over 450 yds of offense. Hence, while they didn't play "badly", they didn't do their job either, which was to stop the Jets and give the Pats a chance to win it with a FG.
Let's just face it: the Pats played over their heads getting this game into overtime, considering how decimated they are by injury. On top of the many absences, LaFell, Ninkovich and Hightower all were playing hurt along with whoever else. I didn't expect them to be as competitive as they were, especially with how important the game was to a Jets team at full strength.
 
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The Pats were moving the ball well to start the second half but the interception killed their momentum. Did anyone discuss that miscue in the post game pressers?

Also, why why why why couldn't they connect on the flea flicker. It's a cruel world!! :(
 
I really thought the defense let the team down, hence the title. 20 points SHOULD have been enough to win the game. There were stretches in the game were the defense played VERY well (like for the entire 4th quarter), and there were times where no pass rush was accompanied by bad coverage and the expected results occurred..

Nothing you can do when the reciever can push you out of the way to catch a TD.
 
One thing I noticed early and often RE: Gronk was that he was jammed early by a big, then passed to Revis who had safety help. The plays where this wasn't happening were the ones he gained yards in big chunks.

1) I think it shows the (rightful) lack of respect the Jets had for the rest of the specialists.

2) Gronk= an end/linebacker + Revis + a safety makes me salivate over the issues that will be created with Jules and Dola back.
 
early to call jordan richards a bust?

He was destined to be a bust the second he joined the list of 2nd round reach DBs drafted by us in the last 6 years, I'd say you're late my friend !

*note overall BB is a very good drafter but this particular type of selection, the reach DB, has occurred so often that it's just become a comical waste of resources
 
General observations:

9. While we beat our breasts as the realization sets in that we have lost to the Jets today, one look at what occurred around the league should drive home the point (again) how hard it is to beat ANY team in this league. We lost in OT to a good team (top 10 in offense and Defense) a desperate team, at home, while missing a LOT of pieces of our own. How then do you explain the Steelers laying an egg against the Ravens and Ryan Mallett. :eek: How do you explain the Panthers losing to the sorry Falcons, :eek: GB getting crushed by AZ, and Seattle getting swamped by the Rams, not to mention KC barely eking by by the Browns.
All but in the GB game, the the loser faced a much tougher opponent that the Pats did, and still fell.
Our problems today kind of fade in comparison to what Steeler, Denver, Seattle, and Packer fans are going through right now. Think about it. There are scenarios where the Steelers OR the Broncos could actually miss the playoffs.

As I've mentioned several times this season, people shouldn't overlook back-to-back road games under any scenario. The Patriots have now only won both games in 4/10 most recent opportunities and one of those happened earlier this season @DAL/@IND.


11. I think we are going to have to come to grips with the realization that the Jets are going to be around for a while as a worthy opponent in the division. Boles looks like he is the kind of stead leader that will only get better over time. Fitz will give them a solid QB for the next few years, and their GM had a decent draft last season. The days of the "sad sack" Jets left town with Rex. They will be a team to be reckoned with in the future.

The Jets became contenders when they brought in players such as Brandon Marshall, Darrelle Revis, and Antonio Cromartie, but their chances of winning 9-10 games rose in dramatic fashion the day that Geno Smith took a punch to the face.



13. Who knows, if this win eventually knocks out the Steelers it might make it worthwhile. The Jets are a good team, but they aren't coming to NE in January an beat a Pats team that will have DA, Edelman, McCourty and Chung on the field. I also don't believe the Steelers can do that either, but you have to admit that that offense would be scarier.

Sure, I agree that it's better to get rid of Pittsburgh, as long as the Jets don't blow it at Buffalo next week, of course. That's a genuine concern, and one that the oddsmakers agree with having the game listed at a 2 point spread.
 
As much as I hate the idea of losing 3 out of 4 games, I am proud of this team.. not sure how many NFL teams could be this competitive against a very good team with this many injuries..

Stork at L tackle?? Brady was only sacked twice.. that is pretty good results.

Even the walking wounded continue to contribute, while there are those who will spend the day bemoaning decision making yesterday on talk radio.. spending on what if's and the occasional innuendo that the game is passing BB by. no one was thrown under the proverbial bus and this team played pretty well considering the available personnel.

The Jets had the ball four times in the fourth quarter and had 3 three and outs, on the fourth possession they held the Jets to 26 yards on 7 snaps... if I were BB I would have confidence in my defense..
 
Make no mistake, I believe this OL will eventually become a very good one. But it will take time, and we really don't have any of that right now. We are just going to have to make due with what we have. It will be a coaching job of epic proportions that isn't going to solve itself by have DA and Edelman come back (though it would sure help some)

The big question that will be answered in the divisional playoff round will be how effective all our injured players will be when they are back. If Jules, Dola, Hightower, DMac & Co. can continue where they left off we will be fine and should end up in the SB even with this OL. I doubt that it will be that seamless at the beginning but have no idea what to expect.

I hated that we essentially conceded the last 2 minutes of first half. Like I said in the game thread, if we aren't playing to win, then lets get Brady and Gronk out of there and let someone else get a shot. I thought it sent the wrong message to the team.

That being said, I can perfectly understand why he did it there, and kicking off in the OT. They were all decent strategic moves.....just not ones I wanted to see. I'm sure Brady wasn't happy either.

I also didn't enjoy watching McD/BB being that conservative at the end but mentally it was very similar to what QBs are asked to do when their receivers are covered.. you don't try to force things but throw balls away "to live another day". I said it in another thread but just a few months ago we were complaining about playcalling being too aggressive and resulting in turnovers before HT.

The question I would ask is, "why be so conservative? we had nothing really to lose. Let it all hang out and if if we lose, we lose"

Because in that situation you are only down 7 points and have an entire second half in front of you in which your opponent can throw an INT, fumble the ball or shoot themselves in some other way into their own foot. Just think about how we lost to the Eagles.. you can win in many ways and keeping the game close with strategic decisions when you feel like you can't really move the ball well is not an inherently bad choice.

Do I like it ? No. Do I understand why it happened given the circumstances at that time ? Yep.

I really thought the defense let the team down, hence the title. 20 points SHOULD have been enough to win the game. There were stretches in the game were the defense played VERY well (like for the entire 4th quarter), and there were times where no pass rush was accompanied by bad coverage and the expected results occurred..

A lot has already been said about missing DMac and Chung and the trickle effect it had on coverages in the secondary so I will not rehash that. Similarly, Hightower being a shell of himself due to his injury also leaves us vulnerable against the run.

However, what I want to add is that once again Chandler Jones disappeared in a game where we needed him to step up if he really wants to be paid elite money. Maybe this was all scheme and he gets those unthankful assignments from BB that don't translate to visible plays. But from my point of view the last four games were really a good description of his season. When everything goes well like against the Titans he shows up on the stats sheet and makes plays but in the games where we need some spark from the pass rush (OT vs. Denver, 2HT vs. Eagles and yesterday) he has no relevant plays to give.

I need to have an explanation for the reason why Brandon LaFell was completely ignored in this game plan. One catch and as far as I can remember only one other target. What's up with that? Gronk was another guy who was conspicuously under targeted for this game. Whether it was by choice or the way the game played out I don't know. But if Brady has one failing, it is that he doesn't do what so many other QB's in this league are doing more and more, which is give their receivers a chance to "make a play", even when they are covered. Now I don't want him to turn into Joe Flacco, but there are times, like today, when you just have to let it happen. Days when you aren't going to be able to successfully run 12-14 play drives down the field.

If you ask me the issue is manifold. First of all there is another trickle down effect in terms of coverage because we are missing Jules and Dola. The Jets can double Gronk and still have the advantage in terms of covering up the intermediate pass game. Then LaFell is someone who thrives on passes that need a little bit of setup time (intermediate/long) and the current OL configuration can't give Brady this time consistently. And because we can't give Brady that time the defense also doesn't need to respect those routes as much and crowds the intermediate routes even more. Finally, nobody respects our run game which again helps their coverage.

The situation was so bad yesterday especially in the first half that Brady didn't even have enough time to try to let a receiver "make a play" but was pressured almost immediately. It all starts in the trenches and we are losing those fights consistently on offense.

I thought this was one of the best officiated games of the season, and I want to publicly apologize to Beakman for thinking even for a second that he screwed over the Pats on the coin flip. Clearly he knew that BB wanted to kick off and it was Slater who was confused thinking he could choose to KO AND which direction to kick.

I am still shocked/surprised how strict the league is about the exact phrasing of a sentence at the coin toss compared how completely lackadaisical they are about other rules. While I agree that Blakeman made the correct decision in terms of the rules, I thought that when Slater said "we want to kick that way" it was clear that the intent was to kick into a specific direction.

In a league where players get their placement corrected if e.g. they lineup above the center by referees on extra points/field goals it is a bit weird that saying "we want to kick that way" is taken at face value and not for its intent. But again, that's on us and in a weird way I am happy that it happened in an ultimately meaningless game because we won't see that mistake ever again.
 
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