New Brady/Guerrero article - NE paying TB12 company to treat NE players

[Angelpats]

If I were the patriots and i invest led hundreds of millions into my player I will go through any legal route to get every dollar from my investment. All costs and procedures would be accounted for anyway so there is nothing wrong with this. It's the same the other way around too when Brady buys krafts macaroni and cheese. He is buying the product. You have a trolling agenda if you looking for nefarious activity in this.

 

[SLGDEV]

Another Volin article lifted from other reporters, old, discarded tripe. I'm almost certain Kraft and TB consulted the MFL about this before it began .You know, the MFL, the upstanding, honest entity it is. And if there is a problem, they will save it for the "right time". ie "broken cell phone gate".
I got through most of the article, but got so F'n bored, I had to stop. It just kept regurgitating the same BS. Nowhere did it say, anyone who used the methods, complained about it's effectiveness. As a matter of fact, much praise. "Conventional medicine" , and the quacks who endorse it, are the real criminal here. The food in this country is killing everyone. Jeez, you can't even eat an apple and not worry about the chemicals that are in it. There are 3rd world counties that refuse to accept our food. The Globe is turning into the National Enquirer.

I am new to this forum. I like how you refer to the NFL. Clearly it wasn't a typo (M is next to N) since you did it twice.

That said, what if the Pats buy a new set of expensive razors from Gillette, gives them to the players, and Brady owns 5% of Gillette? Would that have to go against the cap? OTOH, this does look a little fishy unless they were willing to also pay for players to use a similar service from someone else.

A bigger thing in my opinion is how the league is destroying the integrity of the game. While I gamble and have nothing against it, I absolutely believe that no sports organization should allow it in their ranks, let alone encourage it and profit from it. FanDuel and DraftPicks are definitely gambling sites (there is no other rational way to look at them) and, while they should be allowed to exist, the league should distance itself as far from them as possible -- INTEGRITY OF THE GAME.

 

[RobertWeathers]

This is not new news. Almost the exact same article was written about in the past.

IMHO, this is something I wish the Pats were not involved with. It smacks of trouble for the Pats. Let the players pay themselves if interested in the services provided.

IMHO another example of Brady skating on the edge.

The edge of what?

 

[JMC00]

The edge of what?

And what are the other examples of him on the edge?

Also how is it trouble for the Patriots? NFL and NFLPA said it wasn't.

 

[BelichickFan]

The Patriots are certainly asking for trouble with this kind of thing with the perception ESPN is bound to spin but it's a non issue in my mind. A player making money outside of his football contract to supplement his income. Just like Peyton and all his Papa Johns commercials. BTW, he owns 21 Papa Johns, to the Broncos ever buy pizza from them ? If this kind of thing were an issue then the NFL would have to change rules such that active players can't do endorsements or make any money outside their football contract. As we stand, while someone could ask if Brady would demand more money without the TB12 thing, we can equally ask if Peyton would demand more money without his myriad of commercial and outside the NFL ownerships. Who writes a check for those businesses is irrelevant, what matters is they're making money outside their NFL contract thereby allowing them to play for less than they otherwise might.

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

I am new to this forum. I like how you refer to the NFL. Clearly it wasn't a typo (M is next to N) since you did it twice.

That said, what if the Pats buy a new set of expensive razors from Gillette, gives them to the players, and Brady owns 5% of Gillette? Would that have to go against the cap? OTOH, this does look a little fishy unless they were willing to also pay for players to use a similar service from someone else.

A bigger thing in my opinion is how the league is destroying the integrity of the game. While I gamble and have nothing against it, I absolutely believe that no sports organization should allow it in their ranks, let alone encourage it and profit from it. FanDuel and DraftPicks are definitely gambling sites (there is no other rational way to look at them) and, while they should be allowed to exist, the league should distance itself as far from them as possible -- INTEGRITY OF THE GAME.

Clearly, you misunderstood my post. I was supporting Brady. and condemning the MFL. "I'm almost certain Kraft and TB consulted the MFL before it began" would have been a clue. I guess that's where the dislike came from

 

[JMC00]

The Patriots are certainly asking for trouble with this kind of thing

Do you have any reasoning for the claim? Or are you just throwing that out there?

 

[FCB02062]

Just wait till ESPN picks up this story....TB12gate.....

 

[BelichickFan]

Do you have any reasoning for the claim? Or are you just throwing that out there?

Just that everything with the Patriots is a big deal. Remember how teams warming balls up on camera didn't matter but natural deflation of the Patriots ball caused a national uproar ? Or when Saban stole out audibles with hidden microphones it was "just football" but when the Patriots stole signs it, too, caused an uproar ?

 

[RobertWeathers]

And what are the other examples of him on the edge?

Eating avocado ice cream is absolutely living on the edge.

Also how is it trouble for the Patriots? NFL and NFLPA said it wasn't.

It's maddening. Hohler brings in all these economic and sports law experts to claim that there is an issue when the governing body for the league and the players say there isn't.

Maybe there is an element here that the league does not want to mess with the Patriots and Brady over this issue. I'm assuming that we are talking about a few thousands - not millions of dollars in services TB12 is providing the Pats. If it were millions then MAYBE the league might take a closer look. I dunna know...

Every team has an on-site massage therapy and a few do outsource those services to the private sector.

Its reasonable to question Guerrero as a businessman but not as a massage/sports therapist.

 

[BelichickFan]

Maybe there is an element here that the league does not want to mess with the Patriots and Brady over this issue. I'm assuming that we are talking about a few thousands - not millions of dollars in services TB12 is providing the Pats. If it were millions then MAYBE the league might take a closer look. I dunna know...

It's an out of control element for the NFL. They can't control this kind of salary cap problem. Could Brady play for league minimum due to his wife ? Yes and the NFL could do nothing about it. Could Manning do that and double his commercials ? Yep. Could a player be promised a job after football at an inflated salary ? Yep. It's a dirty little secret that this can easily be done - the NFL is probably nervous that with it being the Patriots and Brady it will get attention. Again, who's to say Manning wouldn't have demanded more over the years without his outside income.

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

I'm glad (and surprised) that the NFL apparently actually issued an on-the-record statement to the Globe that there are no cap implications to this rather than insinuating and smearing. Though we'll see what happens as time goes on.

That said, I wonder what the rules are for such things (i.e. what has to change for something like this -- which the NFL says is OK -- to become problematic) because things of this nature do seem to be an obvious potential way for teams to try to circumvent the cap. And no doubt the haters out there will be firing up the "Cheaters!" thing again over this.

Leaving any cap stuff aside, I don't know how I feel about re: workplace environment. Hope no one is being pressured to use Brady's company. I know at my workplace I'd look askance at my employer having a business relationship with a co-worker's company. Especially if there were complaints about the ethics and methods of one of the principals. But I work a long throw from pro sports .



Patriots pay a business owned by Tom Brady and a partner with a dubious past - The Boston Globe

I'm a little confused by your "dislike" of my post, basically agreeing with you???

 

[SLGDEV]

Clearly, you misunderstood my post. I was supporting Brady. and condemning the MFL. "I'm almost certain Kraft and TB consulted the MFL before it began" would have been a clue. I guess that's where the dislike came from

No, I understood you completely. I can't see how you thought I didn't when the F is how we each came into this world and the M is for the one who brought us here. I am 100% with you on both the league and Brady.

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

No, I understood you completely. I can't see how you thought I didn't when the F is how we each came into this world and the M is for the one who brought us here. I am 100% with you on both the league and Brady.

Wow, Then you are going to have a field day around here, if that hurt your feelings. Jeez, Lighten up Francis. How the hell do you know the "M" doesn't stand for Moronic???????? Sounds like the issue is with your preconceived notions

 

[BTTA]

It's an out of control element for the NFL. They can't control this kind of salary cap problem. Could Brady play for league minimum due to his wife ? Yes and the NFL could do nothing about it. Could Manning do that and double his commercials ? Yep. Could a player be promised a job after football at an inflated salary ? Yep. It's a dirty little secret that this can easily be done - the NFL is probably nervous that with it being the Patriots and Brady it will get attention. Again, who's to say Manning wouldn't have demanded more over the years without his outside income.

I believe there are regulatory processes that keep player contracts from being too out of line with the norm, for this exact reason. IIRC, the NFLPA has to approve all contracts, and will reject anything that is well below the norm. This is another example of how the League and the NFLPA are actually partners in a singular revenue generating business.

 

[SLGDEV]

Wow, Then you are going to have a field day around here, if that hurt your feelings. Jeez, Lighten up Francis. How the hell do you know the "M" doesn't stand for Moronic????????

1. My feelings weren't hurt at all. I was just confused by why you thought I misunderstood you.
2. My name isn't Francis.
3. "Moronic" wasn't exactly the word I was thinking of (though it also fits the M). It was more like a female parent.
4. Why would think my feelings were hurt?

 

[I.M. Fletcher]

I can't ever remember any person (let alone athlete) being involved in more non-story stories than Brady this year.

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

1. My feelings weren't hurt at all. I was just confused by why you thought I misunderstood you.
2. My name isn't Francis.
3. "Moronic" wasn't exactly the word I was thinking of (though it also fits the M). It was more like a female parent.
4. Why would think my feelings were hurt?

I guess I finally get to find put how to use the "ignore" option. I'm steering clear of this one

 

[venecol]

As a person involved in the financial services industry, I actually believe that TB has to tread very carefully here. Even if all is above board, because the checks and balance system may not be totally transparent provides some cause for concern with respect to the salary cap.

If Peyton Manning took less money from the Broncos than what is his perceived value on the market but the Broncos paid good money to the particular Papa John's franchise he owned for "catering services", there would be more than a few people here with at least one eyebrow raised.

Not sure what the financial services industry has to do with providing alternative physical therapy services to players. Not sure why posters keep on alluding that this may be a salary cap violation issue when both NFL and NFLPA both stated this has nothing to do with salary cap.

Brady is an investor, he doesn't physically do anything (massages, therapy, sell drinks, etc.). If Brady owned 10% of Nike stock and the NFL teams ALL buy crap from Nike, the stock shoots up and TB makes a profit, is he skirting the salary cap by profiting from services or merchandise purchased by an NFL team?

This is a classic guilt by association hatchet job. They spent 70% of the article on Guerrero past. Very little on the salary cap issue and the article itself says it's not a problem with the NFL. Hell Kraft has his guy in there keeping an eye on things.

Anyway, does anyone really believe that this is the only player in the NFL that is associated with a company that peddles services/merchandise to the NFL? No, but it's Tom ****ing Brady.

OP: I disliked you peddling this crap on here and you actually seem to give credence to the story. You can dislike this post but the truth remains: article is crap and belongs on NYJ fan forum not on a Pats forum. Volin is an azz wipe.

 

[RobertWeathers]

It's an out of control element for the NFL. They can't control this kind of salary cap problem. Could Brady play for league minimum due to his wife ? Yes and the NFL could do nothing about it. Could Manning do that and double his commercials ? Yep. Could a player be promised a job after football at an inflated salary ? Yep. It's a dirty little secret that this can easily be done - the NFL is probably nervous that with it being the Patriots and Brady it will get attention. Again, who's to say Manning wouldn't have demanded more over the years without his outside income.

Exactly. Owners and players do business with each other all the time. Car dealerships. Real estate, etc.

Why don't we look the Bowlen's family's or Elway's stock portfolio to see if they have a stake in Papa Johns? After all, since 2012 (when PM signed w/ DEN and w/ Papa Johns) the stock went from 19 to a high of 77 earlier this year now at around 56 and change. Is anyone in the Broncos front office an investor in the 21 Papa Johns PM has an ownership stake in?

Back in the 90s when Carmen Policy was circumventing the cap, he would have the 49ers donate to a player's favorite charity in the millions...why? Tax break for the player and team. Jerry "Sticky" Rice was a prime recipient.