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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.He might consider it a loss of face if he shows up after saying he would hold out until week 10.
I agree with AJ's points and that is why I think Asante's hold out will end the week before the first pre-season game. He will lose about $450,000 per game for each game he 'holds out" during the season. He just won't do that,IMO.
One point that hasn't been made is tha he is going to benefit this year by playing in back of what should be an awesome front seven. He should have a monster year playing in back of those guys. His value will be even greater to other teams in 2008 if he does.
No one is saying anything is the Patriots fault.
remember, while the Patriots are following the rules, so is Samuel. He has done nothing in violation of his contract. IMO, he is simply posturing, by the way.
I don't know if Id say he has trashed the organization. I think he has said he is unhappy with their offer. Thats not trashing to me.
I dont think he should be obligated to want to play here for less, if other teams are offering more. I can understand the loyalty factor, and I would have it personally, but I don't begin to think that the standard of loyalty we are talking about is at all a reasonble expectation for most NFL players.
By that reasoning, doesn't it follow that this is NOT the fault of Asante Samuel, he's playing the rules and that is the way things were agreed to by the NFL owners?
You can have conflict without fault. Based on the current state of rumors, it sounds like Samuel has a couple of offers to his liking and MAYBE an offer of a first-round pick in trade to boot. The Patriots would prefer their starting CB, but won't pay him what team X has offered. That's a naturally ugly and acrimonious situation, leading to a lot of growling and posturing. Once the season's underway, though, that offer likely disappears and all Samuel gets from sitting out is a huge financial loss. I'd be astonished if his agent let him sit out more than a game.
I must be a mathematical moron because no matter how I work the numbers, Asante ALWAYS makes more in two years by being franchised and then signing a long term contract next year than by signing a long term deal this year. A LOT more.We do need perspective, as does Asante. The problem with your assessment Andy is that he's not going to get $13M this year in a long term deal. He's likely going to get $20M or more in guarantees. So for him the equation is <$8M vs. >$20M. 8..20...8...20 You don't have to be a mathmatical genius to figure this out.
A couple of points:
1. GJAJ, That is an excellent point that isn't brought out enough. Granted Samuel did the work and became the player he is because of hard work and developing his talent. HOWVER, you cannot discount the contributions made to his play by the coaching staff and his teammates. They aren't the REASON he became the player he is now; they are PART of the reason.
Players discount this every day. It's human nature. It's why Lawyer and Ty aren't here any more - they bristled at the notion of the system making the player and therefore devaluing his talent.
3. BFan, you also make a great point that should be concidered. To take the injury situation out of the equation here is what he and the Pats should do. As part of the one year agreement, Samuel AND the Pats will share the expense of an insurance policy that would give Samuel 12 million dollars if he got a perment injury in 2007. That would probably cost between $500,000, and a million. Lets say its a million. The Pats up up $500K, and Sameul puts up one game check. Now, when he signs the deal, he is guaranteed $7.2MM net, and another 12 millon if he gets hurt. That's very close to the 20 million he wanted guarateed.
Now he gets the best of both worlds.
The Pats how good faith by putting up half the money, with the only stipulation that Samuel shows up to training camp on time. It makes great sense to the Samuel camp, and helps the Pats get him to camp ontime. He is protected against catistrophic injury, yet will still be a YOUNG FA for the coming season.
I must be a mathematical moron because no matter how I work the numbers, Asante ALWAYS makes more in two years by being franchised and then signing a long term contract next year than by signing a long term deal this year. A LOT more.
I must be a mathematical moron because no matter how I work the numbers, Asante ALWAYS makes more in two years by being franchised and then signing a long term contract next year than by signing a long term deal this year. A LOT more.
I also cannot figure out, and no one has been able to explain, what Asante gains by holding out. What does he get for that $5 mil he is giving up?
Why not just agree to let him go in 2008 in exchange for showing up in 2007.
This does worry me a bit. But if it comes to that, I'm hoping his agent steps in as the voice of reason/self interest: "Look kid, don't worry about losing face. For the extra $4.4 million you can buy a new face."
That's a viable option but the Patriots chose not to do it with Branch so they probably would do the same this year. Of course, every year and circumstance is different but I doubt one year of Samuel is worth as much to Belioli as 5 years of who we could draft with a draft pick we would trade him for. Or, even more likely, we could get half a season of Samuel + 5 years of who we trade him for after Franchising him again in 8 months.Why not just agree to let him go in 2008 in exchange for showing up in 2007.
If I'm not mistaken, the agent doesnt get a penny of that franchise tag..
If I'm not mistaken, the agent doesnt get a penny of that franchise tag.
Samuel is better off holding out to get more money.
If I'm not mistaken, the agent doesnt get a penny of that franchise tag.
Samuel is better off holding out to get more money.
When the got the best I was indebted, when the got the worse I was a sore... I know it is about the money, but do not understand the childish behavior of more, more, more.. I know it is the system, but from my pea brain I think loyalty to the organization is paramount particular if they made me a better employee and increased my value.
We do need perspective, as does Asante.
The problem with your assessment Andy is that he's not going to get $13M this year in a long term deal. He's likely going to get $20M or more in guarantees. So for him the equation is <$8M vs. >$20M. 8..20...8...20 You don't have to be a mathmatical genius to figure this out. Same with signing a long term deal here on the terms he's likely been offered to date. $6M vs. upwards of $9M, 6...9...6...9...
The problem here is, much as it was with Deion,is there are teams reportedly willing to pay him what he wants at least absent trade compensation. He's not risking $8M for a pipe dream contract - it's out there. What most of us believe, including apparently this FO, is that represents a substantial overpay. And we would like Asante to acknowledge that and forego the chance to be wildly overpaid and just take a fair offer. Not going to happen. Realistically it ain't gonna happen with 7 out of 10 players.
Threatened holdouts in the NFL are common, actual holdouts rare....
POOR ASANTE
Asante Samuel is being a bit of a, well ... . The former Round 4 pick out of Central Florida wants out of New England now that he has broken through as a solid starter. Within the NFL pay system, it's not as if the Patriots are treating him like cheap help. The team basically promised him almost $8 million for 2007 by designating him as a franchise player.
Tedy Bruschi, who has done far more for the Patriots' defense than Samuel during the current golden era, is in the final year of a four-year, $8.1 million contract. Bruschi hasn't whined. Teammates have noticed the difference.