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This is exactly when Berman should do. If he indicates that Jastremski, MacNally as well as Wells, Pash, Kensil, Grigson and Vincent may all be called as witnesses, that might be someone willing to settle. If Brady is telling the truth, he should be totally ok with that. One of the sides might fold quick on this.

Brady would seem to have less to fear....Everyone on the Patriots side has already been questioned multiple times.
 
Your error here is that you are taking individual items out of the CBA and not considering their impact on each other.
There is inherent fairness implied in the CBA.
When you have deliniated rights that does not mean you have them even when they conflict or create a conflict of interest.
Goodell was incapable of effectively serving as arbitrator in this case, because a central piece of it was based upon his own actions. That is at its face unfair, and a reason to vacate the award.

By the way, people are speculating on why Berman is concerned with guilt.
I think it is very simple. If guilt is in question and the arbitrator walks in assuming guilt, he is flawed.
If Goodell the commissioner did not understand that facts, and is then asked to arbitrate the facts he misunderstood to begin with the process is materially flawed.

I was gonna do a whole long thing, but I think I'll just try to boil it down.

Article 46 of the CBA give Goodell sole authority as to who the hearing officer will be. He can choose himself. It says it right there, Article 46, section 2 -

(a)Hearing Officers. For appeals under Section 1(a) above, the Commissioner shall, after consultation with the Executive Director of the NFLPA, appoint one or more designees to serve as hearing officers. For appeals under Section 1(b) above, the parties shall, on an annual basis, jointly select two (2) or more designees to serve as hearing officers. The salary and reasonable expenses for the designees’ services shall be shared equally by the NFL and the NFLPA. Notwithstanding the foregoing, the Commissioner may serve as hearing officer in any appeal under Section 1(a) of this Article at his discretion.


Bolded, italicized, underlined. It says it right there.

The NFLPA is not opposing this point.

For some reason, you are. I don't know.

What the NFLPA is arguing, and I agree, is in Section 16 of the CBA, where the arbitrator MUST be a neutral, impartial arbitrator. THEORETCIALLY, Roger Goodell can serve this role, but his actions in this case and the previous four cases he's lost prove otherwise.

This has little to do with Section 46, save for the fact that Goodell had the right to appoint someone else (and didn't). It's Section 16 which buries Goodell, especially in that "increasing of punishment" part which I think can be reasonably argued.

You're right on your second part about looking for guilt, by the way. It's just super-unusual for a judge to do that in this situation. That's bad, bad news for the NFL, way worse than the sports media is letting on, and that's why your Stradleys, your Wallachs, your McCanns have gone from "50/50-ish" to "I'd be stunned if Brady loses".

UNLESS Berman bought what the NFL had to say, of course. That's always a possibility.

The CBA says what it says, and it was agreed to, and DeMaurice Smith needs to lose his job over it. The upshot is, going forward, Section 46 is going to have very little bite, unless Goodell really enjoys losing in court - because he could very well be looking at 0-5. He would be the Jacksonville of NFL Comissioners.
 
You're right on your second part about looking for guilt, by the way. It's just super-unusual for a judge to do that in this situation. That's bad, bad news for the NFL, way worse than the sports media is letting on, and that's why your Stradleys, your Wallachs, your McCanns have gone from "50/50-ish" to "I'd be stunned if Brady loses".

It seems like the NFL is overplaying its position that an arbitration award is impervious to judicial review. They seem to be practically daring the judge to vacate the award. The judge seems to be firing warning shots that he very well might do just that.

I'm sure the judge would prefer not to have to make the call but it's looking more and more like he may have to.
 
It seems like the NFL is overplaying it's position that an arbitration award is impervious to judicial review. They seem to be practically daring the judge to vacate the award. The judge seems to be firing warning shots that he very well might do just that.

I'm sure the judge would prefer not to have to make the call but it's looking more and more like he may have to.

Well, yes, that's exactly what they're doing, because honestly, that's their only play.

Hope and pray Berman buys what the NFL is selling, but if he doesn't, they need to lose on their merits, so Goodell can at least go back to the league and say "I tried, damn activist judges". Because most of the owners would buy that line of crap.
 
Alright here we go

Gabe Feldman ‏@SportsLawGuy 4m4 minutes ago
PA's latest submission in Brady is in and they come out firing."The NFL’s submission is a memorandum of attempted misdirection to the Court"
Wow. Essentially hes calling the NFL a bunch of manipulative bastards trying to pull one over on the judge.

Another ICBM launched by Kessler.
 
The CBA says what it says, and it was agreed to, and DeMaurice Smith needs to lose his job over it.

Why should Smith lose his job? That clause, or something to its extent, has existed in every prior CBA without causing any problems. This CBA didn't grant the commissioner any new powers -- Goodell's just the first commissioner who's tried to abuse them so egregiously.
 
I would love to read it going hard in the paint here or going for it 4th and 5 from the 50 if you like that analogy better.
 
Good article from a writer in Canada on deflategate.

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/08/13/why-its-time-for-goodell-and-nfl-to-settle-with-brady-and-nflpa

Before U.S. federal court judge Richard Berman can obliterate any more of their side’s flimsy positions, as he did this past Wednesday in a south Manhattan U.S. federal courtroom.

Yes, Berman in the open-court session aimed his obliterator at the other side, too. Namely, New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady and the NFL players union.

But Berman’s crisp, persistent, impressive destruction of the Wells Report’s (and thus Goodell’s and the NFL’s) primary conclusion — that Brady was “more likely than not ... at least generally aware” two equipment managers conspired to deflate footballs below league standards prior to the AFC title game — should scare the crap out of the heretofore intractable, unflappable commish.

“There is no finding in this case that there was anything done by Mr. Brady (in the AFC title game),” Berman himself concluded in open court.
 
I need a link, gotta read this.
 
Bob Loblaw lobs law bomb!
 

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Wait so I saw a bunch of posts talking about the dorito dinks testifying, is this a real thing that is likely to happen? This thread has too many pages for me to figure out where the source is.
 
Wow. Essentially hes calling the NFL a bunch of manipulative bastards trying to pull one over on the judge.

Another ICBM launched by Kessler.


Hope the text of the filing is available so we can red it see what McCann Stradley and others say.
 
Gabe Feldman ‏@SportsLawGuy 2m2 minutes ago

''independent' firm has been relegated to 'experienced & highly respected,” &whole façade of “independence” has been relabeled 'irrelevant'
 
e Feldman ‏@SportsLawGuy 5m5 minutes ago
"The NFL’s seismic shifts are nothing short of breathtaking.Having publicly touted the “independence” of the Wells Report and Paul,Weiss..."
Gabe Feldman ‏@SportsLawGuy 4m4 minutes ago
"as the linchpin of the purported fairness of the discipline, the 'independent' Report has now been relegated to 'thorough'...."
Gabe Feldman ‏@SportsLawGuy 4m4 minutes ago
''independent' firm has been relegated to 'experienced & highly respected,” &whole façade of “independence” has been relabeled 'irrelevant'
 
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