Reports: Brady wants entire suspension removed, and is seeking to be fully exonerated

[varjao]

Thats how I am seeing it unfold.

The arbitration hearing will last about 4 minutes.

Actually less, If this goes to court and if I were the arbitrator I would do my home work on this case and not even let the parts say anything, I would say:

"Gentleman, good morning, here's the deal, this report and this whole case is a shame and a waste of time, I'm nullifying Mr. Brady's suspension and although I have no jurisdiction in the private rules that NFL and Franchises have agreed I strongly suggest that the penalties imposed to NE Pats should also be dropped. I would add that Mr. Goodell should be ashamed of himself for letting this thing go this far, we have better and real cases to work on so I'm not losing any other minute over this sh.it".

 

[nabwong]

Water is, indeed, wet

It's not.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

"Yes," this is worth a thread because it's the first public "leak" of the NFLPA and Brady's formal position, since Brady has wisely kept his mouth shut throughout the process.

But, "no," this is not news. From the moment Brady and the NFLPA hired Jeffrey Kessler there has been no doubt that both were "all in." It's been "all or nothing" from that moment.

I don't know the source of Pal Salantonio's information regarding Kraft's expectations, but I think it is probably accurate. There is no way that Goodell can allow this mess to get to open court, with sworn depositions under penalty of perjury by Kensil and the Colts and Ravens, just to name a few. All Brady has to do is walk into the hearing and show the Commissioner a bare minimum of respect to give him the excuse he needs to overturn the Suspension. But that's not going to be enough. Brady will require a statement of complete exoneration. I think he'll get it.

What I'm really looking forward to is the verbal gymnastics through which Goodell will have to jump to explain why he's exonerating Brady and still relying on the Wells Fabrication to justify penalizing the one party Wells said was not involved in the "events" during the AFCCG, i.e., the Patriots organization. This is going to get interesting.

And, I've got a great bridge in lower Manhattan to sell to anyone who thinks that no one in the Patriots organization had anything to do with the commissioning of the AEI report and its publicizing as an Sunday Review piece by AEI's historical nemesis, the New York Times.

 

[50-yard-line]

Wonder who the leak is for this. NFL or Brady's camp. somehow, I figure it would be the NFL, but can't see a reason for it....other than continued stupidity.

Go Brady. I'll take zero games, public apology, and Goodie's balls in a jar (you know, if he has any).

No. I want the f***ing draft picks back.

Period.

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

No. I want the f***ing draft picks back.

Period.

Sorry... but the picks are gone my friend

 

[bobbutts]

So we can still count on Brady to go the distance. Not at all surprising, wish Brady [Kraft] had half the balls and integrity that he does.

FTFY

 

[Wheelman]

This comment from the link sums it up perfectly:

please allow me to speak on behalf of all patriot haters

first off we don’t care about your science, just because the science proves no deflation means nothing to us.

when a guy calls himself the deflator and we know that he deflates balls to the lower legal limit and gets yelled at when it isn’t done as per the text messages, we are more then glad to assume that he deflates balls below a legal limit and once we make that assumption we are fine adding another assumption that he deflates these balls after the refs check them, for us that is concrete evidence and there is no debate on our many assumptions to reach our conclusion

we don’t care that the fumble theory was quickly debunked and we don’t care that the patriots fumbled less on the road. just because the facts say that road teams have no access to tamper with balls doesn’t mean we accept that. when jim McNally left the refs with the colts balls and patriots balls we chalk that up to a anomaly despite what the procedures are and the facts

don’t tell us that the kraft foundation has nothing to do with BOB kraft, we know that The Kraft foods group and bob kraft are the same. personally we think Bob kraft isn’t the brightest guy for not receiving his revenue checks from kraft foods all these years. and to tell us there is no correlation is ridiculous, how would anyone know if they aren’t related, may be they are 153rd cousins dating back 300 years.

so please don’t respond telling us about your facts as they are irrelevant since we have had detailed discussions with santa clause and he confirms that facts are secondary to made up allegations, assumptions and the will of the people

 

[Deus Irae]

What I'm really looking forward to is the verbal gymnastics through which Goodell will have to jump to explain why he's exonerating Brady and still relying on the Wells Fabrication to justify penalizing the one party Wells said was not involved in the "events" during the AFCCG, i.e., the Patriots organization. This is going to get interesting.

This is where Goodell has a problem. If he exonerates Brady and keeps the team penalties intact, he's saying:

Wells was wrong about Brady
Wells was right about the 'ball boys'
Team should have known about ball boys (control)
Therefore 2 draft picks and a million dollars

That sets up the problem of 'admitting' the Wells report is wrong on something, which means....

"Ball boys" get a fun crack at an admittedly flawed report.

The penalty already given also makes it patently clear that any team employee puts a team on the hook, which SHOULD mean that any discipline of any team employee should now require major team penalties.

 

[Joker]

so Sal Alosi orchestrating in game tripping of opponents on national TV should be what?...a year?...ten years suspension of the entire team?...sounds about right to me...

 

[SVN]

Roger will drop it to one and try and get Brady to take it for the team. I want this to go to court as I think exposing this is more important.

I expect something like this and I fear kraft is also feeding this to brady to consider. I hope brady doesnt budge out of his relationship with kraft.

 

[Dr Pain]

I expect something like this and I fear kraft is also feeding this to brady to consider. I hope brady doesnt budge out of his relationship with kraft.

Kraft is protecting his meal ticket the NFL while Brady's long term meal ticket is his image and value in endorsements. Brady has to go all in.

 

[RelocatedPatFan]

so Sal Alosi orchestrating in game tripping of opponents on national TV should be what?...a year?...ten years suspension of the entire team?...sounds about right to me...

But that didn't happen during game time, oh wait
But it wasn't deemed systemic and the Patriots tech their guys the same thing...right?
Ah, it didn't affect the integrity of the game...well not as much as a football which is 50% of a game. it was just 1 play....that's it

Also, the Jets did it and seeing how they (A) dominate the front office, it's ok and (B) it couldn't have been a competitive advantage because the Jets lose more than they win.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

I've got a great bridge in lower Manhattan to sell to anyone who thinks that no one in the Patriots organization had anything to do with the commissioning of the AEI report and its publicizing as an Sunday Review piece by AEI's historical nemesis, the New York Times.

According to a radio interview of one of the AEI study authors (Stan Veuger), "neither side paid us to do this report"

http://boston.cbslocal.com/audio/the-adam-jones-show/

see
"Stan Veuger of AEI Economics" dated Friday June 12th, I think it is at about the 7:40 mark.

It might be fair to assume that Kraft/Brady/NFLPA/somebody helped it get accepted as a NYT op-ed piece, though

 

[BTTA]

"Yes," this is worth a thread because it's the first public "leak" of the NFLPA and Brady's formal position, since Brady has wisely kept his mouth shut throughout the process.

Do you have evidence that this is actually a real leak, rather than another supposition generated to create clicks? I haven't seen anything one way or the other.

And, I've got a great bridge in lower Manhattan to sell to anyone who thinks that no one in the Patriots organization had anything to do with the commissioning of the AEI report and its publicizing

I'd suggest that the odds are greater it came from the Brady camp than the Kraft camp.

...publicizing as an Sunday Review piece by AEI's historical nemesis, the New York Times.

There's a lot more collaboration that goes on between "left" and "right" than anyone wants to admit. If you think the posturing that goes on in Congress between Republicans and Democrats isn't theater, meant to keep us all voting a certain way so they can stay in office, by thinking that one side is the good guys and the other the bad guys, then I've got a bridge to sell you.

 

[patsfan13]

It's not just about AEI, there is our own Palm Beach Pats Fan, Drew Fersten, wells context, Head Smart Labs. Wells is contradicted by everyone else who looked at the science and data.

 

[Jackson 2]

It's not just about AEI, there is our own Palm Beach Pats Fan, Drew Fersten, wells context, Head Smart Labs. Wells is contradicted by everyone else who looked at the science and data.

Yup.

 

[Ross12]

Anyone thinking Brady would accept a 1 game suspension should note the article states he wants not just a suspension revocation, but also full exoneration. Accepting any penalty whatsoever is not exoneration at all. Brady is going the distance.

 

[Wax Frog]

It's not.

AAAH! Figurative-speech police!

 

[VectorPrime]

As long as Brady goes the distance and tries, even if he ultimately fails, I'll fully support him. Something Kraft defenders don't seem to understand when they defend him by saying "well it probably wouldn't have done much good to fight back"

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

GO Tom!