List of discrepancies in or with the wells report.

[patriot1136]

PalmBeachPatsFan is a genius

 

[VectorPrime]

I really really want someone to address how McNally could have deflated the balls before every game if he only went into the bathroom that one time. And if he has been going into the bathroom before every game for the past 10 years then why not just say so, that would be the most damning evidence of all.

And wouldn't that only be possible for the 8+ home games per year since the away teams version of McNally handles the footballs in other stadiums?

 

[Froob]

I really really want someone to address how McNally could have deflated the balls before every game if he only went into the bathroom that one time. And if he has been going into the bathroom before every game for the past 10 years then why not just say so, that would be the most damning evidence of all.

And wouldn't that only be possible for the 8+ home games per year since the away teams version of McNally handles the footballs in other stadiums?

The real question is, why would he have to do it in 90 seconds?

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

To elaborate on PBPF's excellent work.

They also cited unspecified chatter throughout the League that the Patriots prefer their footballs softer than other teams and that visiting teams should be on guard when playing at Gillette Stadium. They could not identify a specific source for this information or reference particular conversations.

They reported during interviews that, without additional specific information that might raise further concern, they believed that the referee’s standard pregame inspection of the game balls would be sufficient, and that a change in the standard inspection protocols was not necessary.

The two above statements contradict. They think the Pats were deflating balls after the ref checks them, yet they feel that the ref checking them is sufficient? Since that's done every game than don't they think that the Pats aren't deflating balls using their own logic. Why was this contradiction left unquestioned?

This focus on the before game check does what? I would have set every ball the same, or recorded every ball and marked them individually to test later. Walt did nothing, and only vaguely remembers the pressure, and just allowed them to be wherever. It strikes me as more probable than not someone is lying about what they knew and what they planned.

Jastremski also has received various items of value from Brady, including in the months before the AFC Championship Game

Wells also received items of significant value from Goodell. Is this evidence of bias against Wells or does that standard only apply to others?

 

[Tony2046]

Page 8 of the (Oh) Wells report.

"Before halftime ended, all eleven Patriots balls were inflated and set to a permissible pressure level. The four Colts balls tested were not inflated because they measured within the permissible range on at least one of the gauges used at halftime. The fifteen footballs tested, and the balance of the Colts balls collected at halftime, were returned to the field for use in the second half."

Why reinflate the evidence? Why not use the back up balls?

No readings were taking after the game because they would not have been deemed reliable??

1. They did not record the pressures of the footballs before the game and took the referees recollection to use as a starting point.
2. They used two different gauges at half time to record the pressures of the 15 balls and at one point during this process the referees may have switched gauges which were both reading .5 psi different.
3. They re-inflate the footballs and put them back on the field apparently choosing not to use the back up footballs.
4. They do not test the footballs after the game for comparative data.

What a joke.

If they had just kept the footballs in question locked up for further analysis they could have tested to see if the footballs would have returned to initial pressure in a 70 degree room. That would have told you a lot more than this hog posh of probable guessing BS.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

The #1 discrepancy is the discrepancy between integrity and how the NFL executives operate. The existence of the Wells report in the form it was prepared is additional proof of that.

I do not know if Tom Brady asked an equipment guy to release air from footballs after it would be illegal to do so, and to do so to a degree that it is illegal. I know that (A) this report does not come anywhere close to proving that and (B) Tom Brady more than deserves the benefit of innocence.

That the NFL conducted this circus as it did is appalling. As much as I love the sport of NFL football I look forward to the day the NFL execs come crashing down from their ivory tower. Considering how they operate, that moment of satisfaction will probably happen and probably sooner rather than later. And it will be their own fault for how they have allowed mob rule and PR justice to be their mantra, to steam roll people in the name of their phony righteousness.

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

1. They did not record the pressures of the footballs before the game and took the referees recollection to use as a starting point.

I have read this numerous times now. Without having to re-read that stinking report again, is it for certain that no clear evidence of the pre-game PSI of the balls exists?

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

How about this discrepancy- calling him "independent" and having him be paid by the league. It doesn't take a trained eye to see the lawyer's spin in this. He cherry picks the facts that helps him; ignores inconvenient facts that don't support his narrative; hires a scientific consulting firm of dubious repute to give him the conclusion he wants.

The large, hostile crowd of slack-jawed, Patriots-hating dimwits are all too happy to except this gloss at face value. People who don't follow the sport closely are being drilled with the anti-Patriots narrative until they simply assume that it must be right. Hell, I even see signs that more gullible members of the Patriots own fanbase are starting to have doubts because it was written by some high powered NYC lawyer.

If Kraft doesn't hire someone to do a rebuttal analysis of this garbage, Brady definitely should.

 

[Danger Zone]

I have read this numerous times now. Without having to re-read that stinking report again, is it for certain that no clear evidence of the pre-game PSI of the balls exists?

None. Just a range that Wells decides to use as an absolute.

Those two gauges were .4 apart.

If one read high by +.2 psi and the other by -.2 psi, the ranges that the officials "remember" setting the footballs at could be highly skewed from the very start.

Pats could have had 12.3 psi footballs and the Colts 13.3 and 13.4 psi footballs.

If those gauges get flipped around at halftime.. the officials might then think there was an unexplained variance of .8 psi. All from using two uncalibrated gauges, one reading +.2 psi and the other -.2 psi.

And +/- .2 psi seems to absolutely be within the normal variance of these kind of gauges.. they are NOT accurate to the kind of degree that Wells wants to pin his deflation accusations on.

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

None. Just a range that Wells decides to use as an absolute.

If so (and I believe you) then I don't see how anything that happens subsequent to this is valid or relevant. Should pointing this major flaw in the analysis not be all that is required to stop this madness?

 

[Danger Zone]

If so (and I believe you) then I don't see how anything that happens subsequent to this is valid or relevant. Should pointing this major flaw in the analysis not be all that is required to stop this madness?

I agree.

Honestly, there seem to be about 3 or 4 huuuuge holes just like this one that could have been used to stop or change the outcome of Wells opinion.

That he didn't do so screams a bias of client-servicing in my mind.

 

[Tony2046]

None. Just a range that Wells decides to use as an absolute.

Those two gauges were .4 apart.

If one read high by +.2 psi and the other by -.2 psi, the ranges that the officials "remember" setting the footballs at could be highly skewed from the very start.

Pats could have had 12.3 psi footballs and the Colts 13.3 and 13.4 psi footballs.

If those gauges get flipped around at halftime.. the officials might then think there was an unexplained variance of .8 psi. All from using two uncalibrated gauges, one reading +.2 psi and the other -.2 psi.

And +/- .2 psi seems to absolutely be within the normal variance of these kind of gauges.. they are NOT accurate to the kind of degree that Wells wants to pin his deflation accusations on.

Actually one gauge registered .4 psi and the other registered .07 but your point is valid actually more valid. haha.

 

[Tony2046]

I have read this numerous times now. Without having to re-read that stinking report again, is it for certain that no clear evidence of the pre-game PSI of the balls exists?

Page 1 in the Exponent attachment at the end of the report.

"Walt Anderson later recalled that when tested pre-game, most of the Patriots footballs measured at 12.5 pounds per square inch-gauge (psig), though there may have been one or two that measured at 12.6 psig. In addition, two game balls initially measured below 12.5 psig and were inflated and adjusted to 3 According to information provided by Paul, Weiss, we understand that the Patriots may have delivered 13 primary balls prior to the game, but it is clear that only 11 were measured at halftime. 4 National Football League (NFL) Playing Rules, Rule 2, Section 1. MAY 6, 2015 2 12.5 psig. Furthermore, most of the Colts balls measured at 13.0 or 13.1 psig when tested pregame, although there may have been one or two that registered 12.8 or 12.9 psig.5 The footballs remained in bags in various parts of the Officials Locker Room until they were brought out to the field at approximately 6:30 pm."

 

[Tony2046]

None. Just a range that Wells decides to use as an absolute.

Those two gauges were .4 apart.

If one read high by +.2 psi and the other by -.2 psi, the ranges that the officials "remember" setting the footballs at could be highly skewed from the very start.

Pats could have had 12.3 psi footballs and the Colts 13.3 and 13.4 psi footballs.

If those gauges get flipped around at halftime.. the officials might then think there was an unexplained variance of .8 psi. All from using two uncalibrated gauges, one reading +.2 psi and the other -.2 psi.

And +/- .2 psi seems to absolutely be within the normal variance of these kind of gauges.. they are NOT accurate to the kind of degree that Wells wants to pin his deflation accusations on.

Page 20 of Appendix 1 the Exponent attachment at the end of the report:

"This held true for the Game Day Gauges: the Logo Gauge generally overestimated the Master Gauge by ~0.3-0.4 psig and the Non-Logo Gauge generally read slightly below the Master Gauge by ~0.07 psig, but both gauges were self-consistent.21, 22"

 

[Ross12]

@Palm Beach Pats Fan brings up an excellent nugget that I didn't see myself before which brings the whole thing down IMO:

They take Anderson's recollection as fact on what the starting PSI was for the footballs, and use that as an absolute. However, they also say that he says he used the Logo gauge to test them, but they say "we think that's wrong so we are gonna assume he used the Non-Logo gauge."

WHAT THE F***?

So you mean to tell me that all of your mathematics start with the implicit trust of Anderson's memory, but you later competely turn around and say Anderson misremembered??? So how do we trust ANY OF THIS?????

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

I've read some good replies in this thread. However, I'd make the suggestion of keeping the refuting to a succinct list of items. IMHO the answers to the below questions is what the masses need:

(5) What evidence is there of Tom Brady requested footballs be deflated after it was illegal to do so, and was the request to deflate it below required level?
(4) What evidence is there of Patriot equipment personnel deflating footballs after it was illegal to do so?
(3) What, if any, PSI discrepancy can be expected due to atmospheric conditions?
(2) What were the football PSI measurements at the next official measurement?
(1) What were the football PSI measurements at the official pregame measurement?

IMHO it is all about the answers to those questions starting at the bottom at #1 and ending at #5. Again just my two cents but keep the answers as succinct as possible -- something that even Borges and Felger could understand . A meme doesn't begin because of a 200 page answer to a 200 page report, it begins with a list of bullet points that is small yet solid in what information they convey while speaking directly to the crux of the matter.

 

[Sticky Caulk]

The real question is, why would he have to do it in 90 seconds?

Exactly. What reason would he go all mission impossible on the balls in the bathroom? He could be in there for five or six minutes and it wouldn't raise any suspicion on it's own.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

@Palm Beach Pats Fan brings up an excellent nugget that I didn't see myself before which brings the whole thing down IMO:

They take Anderson's recollection as fact on what the starting PSI was for the footballs, and use that as an absolute. However, they also say that he says he used the Logo gauge to test them, but they say "we think that's wrong so we are gonna assume he used the Non-Logo gauge."

WHAT THE F***?

So you mean to tell me that all of your mathematics start with the implicit trust of Anderson's memory, but you later competely turn around and say Anderson misremembered??? So how do we trust ANY OF THIS?????

I'm curious if the Wells' report includes a photocopy of the document that Anderson filled out at time of measuring the PSI of the footballs? Or does the report list the measurements in a way that suggests they were gathered from other document(s) and/or verbal recounting?

 

[SVN]

How about this discrepancy- calling him "independent" and having him be paid by the league. It doesn't take a trained eye to see the lawyer's spin in this. He cherry picks the facts that helps him; ignores inconvenient facts that don't support his narrative; hires a scientific consulting firm of dubious repute to give him the conclusion he wants.

The large, hostile crowd of slack-jawed, Patriots-hating dimwits are all too happy to except this gloss at face value. People who don't follow the sport closely are being drilled with the anti-Patriots narrative until they simply assume that it must be right. Hell, I even see signs that more gullible members of the Patriots own fanbase are starting to have doubts because it was written by some high powered NYC lawyer.

If Kraft doesn't hire someone to do a rebuttal analysis of this garbage, Brady definitely should.

An independent investigator would not have called walt anderson having a great memory and not recording the psi's . An independent investigator wouldve slammed the league and officials for shoddy handling of the footballs after the email from the colts game the week before. We can start there . There are so many places where an ombudsman like investigator couldve slammed the league but he never does that throught the report. Instead he says this was not a sting operation. Defensive much ?

 

[SVN]

@Palm Beach Pats Fan brings up an excellent nugget that I didn't see myself before which brings the whole thing down IMO:

They take Anderson's recollection as fact on what the starting PSI was for the footballs, and use that as an absolute. However, they also say that he says he used the Logo gauge to test them, but they say "we think that's wrong so we are gonna assume he used the Non-Logo gauge."

WHAT THE F***?

So you mean to tell me that all of your mathematics start with the implicit trust of Anderson's memory, but you later competely turn around and say Anderson misremembered??? So how do we trust ANY OF THIS?????

Somebody send/tweet this to the media members.