Had they both been available, would you have picked Manziel or Garoppolo?

[VrabelJr]

For me I was never choosing between Manziel or Garoppolo. I think having to choose between Derek Carr or JImmy Garoppolo would have been a tougher choice. Both fit our style of offense really well with their fast release.

 

[captain stone]

I wasn't a fan of Crichton and I'm not sure how much closer to a SB Marcus Martin would have taken us.

He would've kept Brady healthier than Wendell will.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Martin is gone for at least half a season. Stork is back. Once again an easy choice.

 

[rochrist]

I would have drafted one of these players:

- C.J. Fiedorowicz
- Gabe Jackson
- Tre Mason
- Marcus Martin

I think the CJF would have helped immediately and filled the need we have for a blocking TE but he could also be a threat in the passing game.

Fiedorowicz is a jag, and according to Reiss, he did horribly when the Pats had him in for an interview.

 

[AzPatsFan]

For me I was never choosing between Manziel or Garoppolo. I think having to choose between Derek Carr or JImmy Garoppolo would have been a tougher choice. Both fit our style of offense really well with their fast release.

You don't have to wait for the teacher to grade your prediction. Belichick had the choice of both and chose Polo over Carr.

 

[SB39]

You don't have to wait for the teacher to grade your prediction. Belichick had the choice of both and chose Polo over Carr.

That's not really entirely accurate. When the Patriots selected Garoppolo, Carr was long gone. If you're arguing that the Patriots could have selected Carr in round 1, then you have to say they took Easley over Carr, not Garoppolo over Carr.

It would be interesting to give Belichick some truth serum and ask which QB he would have taken if both were available at #62. We can speculate, but we'll never know.

 

[AzPatsFan]

I think Fleming make a better G than Gabe; Stork is a better C than Martin who is already gone for at least half a season. CJ Fedorowicz is a non-entity more comparable to Hoomanawanui than Gronk, and was elevated by the poor TE draft class.

I have no idea about Mason.

 

[VrabelJr]

I think Fleming make a better G than Gabe; Stork is a better C than Martin who is already gone for at least half a season. CJ Fedorowicz is a non-entity more comparable to Hoomanawanui than Gronk, and was elevated by the poor TE draft class.

I have no idea about Mason.

Why would Fleming be a Guard?

 

[everlong]

I didn't and still wouldn't want Johnny football. I didn't want Grop in the second round wanting to stock up for the now. Had he fallen to the 3rd I would have seen it but preferred the 4th round. Early returns say Bill nailed it.

 

[Brady6]

Fiedorowicz is a jag, and according to Reiss, he did horribly when the Pats had him in for an interview.

You have determined he is a JAG before his first career game? That's like a Houston fan saying Garopollo is a JAG.

Do you have a link for Reiss saying Feidorowicz did horrible, because I invested as much time into the draft process as anyone who uses this board and I never saw anything like that by Reiss or anyone else.

 

[Brady6]

You don't have to wait for the teacher to grade your prediction. Belichick had the choice of both and chose Polo over Carr.

No he had the choice of Easley or Carr and chose Easley. Garopollo went almost a full round after Carr.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Why would Fleming be a Guard?

I was responding to the post saying Martin, Mason, Jackson and Fedorowitz were the superior picks by a resident Draftnik.

IMHO, Fleming was chosen with a trade positioning pick, to be moved inside to make a powerful, run blocking RG, who also had above average pass blocking ability for a G. But only average pass blocking ability for a RT. Those were the OL weaknesses that BB was addressing,

Halapio was an unexpected gift/selection, too good to pass up. He appears to be unready and needs seasoning.

 

[manxman2601]

You have determined he is a JAG before his first career game? That's like a Houston fan saying Garopollo is a JAG.

Do you have a link for Reiss saying Feidorowicz did horrible, because I invested as much time into the draft process as anyone who uses this board and I never saw anything like that by Reiss or anyone else.

I have no idea how Fiedorowicz has been in pre-season or camp so I had a look at a couple of Texans forums. They're very bullish about him, some commenters even going so far as to suggest he should be their no1 guy. I still don't understand the grief Fiedorowicz gets. He's a very solid TE prospect who probably won't set the world alight but will stick on an NFL team for a long time.

 

[patchick]

I see a lot of people retrospectively drafting Fiedorowicz in the 2nd, now that we know he was off the board soon after. But before the draft nobody considered him a 2nd-round caliber player -- we all would have screamed "reach"! In fact, for a long time the refrain was "I'd rather have Fiedorowicz in the 5th than (NameYourTE) in the 2nd."

I think of it this way: if Brady stays healthy, Garoppolo will make little difference to the Pats this year. And if Gronk stays health, Fiedorowicz would make little difference to the Pats this year. But in the long run, I'm betting on Garoppolo to be the more valuable player.

 

[Brady6]

Martin is gone for at least half a season. Stork is back. Once again an easy choice.

Huh? Stork is not back first off, second just being able to play more games in a season does not make a player easily a better choice. Martin was graded as a late first or second round talent predraft. Stork was graded as fourth round talent as his best grade and many big boards had him graded as an seventh round-UDFA. Come on be a little objective here. Stork has done nothing, he struggled in OTA and early camp before getting injured, if he was not the #105 pick in this past draft he would not even make the team.

 

[rochrist]

You have determined he is a JAG before his first career game? That's like a Houston fan saying Garopollo is a JAG.

Do you have a link for Reiss saying Feidorowicz did horrible, because I invested as much time into the draft process as anyone who uses this board and I never saw anything like that by Reiss or anyone else.

Nope, but I remember reading it quite clearly. It might have been mentioned in his chats as well. I wouldn't really know how to try finding it now. He mentioned two tight ends...the other might have been Amaro, and said his sense was that the Pats wouldn't have touched either of them.'

As for being a jag, it's possible he might surprise me. My opinion is based on looking at some tape of him and the scouting reports. But hell, I thought Stephen Hill was going to be a good NFL WR.

 

[rochrist]

Nope, but I remember reading it quite clearly. It might have been mentioned in his chats as well. I wouldn't really know how to try finding it now. He mentioned two tight ends...the other might have been Amaro, and said his sense was that the Pats wouldn't have touched either of them.'

As for being a jag, it's possible he might surprise me. My opinion is based on looking at some tape of him and the scouting reports. But hell, I thought Stephen Hill was going to be a good NFL WR.

Just an additional thought, the reason it stuck in my mind at the time was because it was an about face for Reiss. He's been bullish on Fiedorowicz up until he suddenly starting hearing this stuff.

 

[Brady6]

I see a lot of people retrospectively drafting Fiedorowicz in the 2nd, now that we know he was off the board soon after. But before the draft nobody considered him a 2nd-round caliber player -- we all would have screamed "reach"! In fact, for a long time the refrain was "I'd rather have Fiedorowicz in the 5th than (NameYourTE) in the 2nd."

I think of it this way: if Brady stays healthy, Garoppolo will make little difference to the Pats this year. And if Gronk stays health, Fiedorowicz would make little difference to the Pats this year. But in the long run, I'm betting on Garoppolo to be the more valuable player.

That really depends, there is a chance in my opinion that Garopollo follows the same path as Ryan Mallett and spends 3-4 years (trade of UFA) behind Brady barely taking a snap before moving on to another team for a chance to start. I expect Brady to restructure his contract after this season and sign through 2020, which will give him 20 NFL seasons. That is just a personal prediction with nothing to support it but I would not expect the team to give Garopollo a second contract if that did come to fruition.

 

[manxman2601]

I see a lot of people retrospectively drafting Fiedorowicz in the 2nd, now that we know he was off the board soon after. But before the draft nobody considered him a 2nd-round caliber player -- we all would have screamed "reach"! In fact, for a long time the refrain was "I'd rather have Fiedorowicz in the 5th than (NameYourTE) in the 2nd."

I think of it this way: if Brady stays healthy, Garoppolo will make little difference to the Pats this year. And if Gronk stays health, Fiedorowicz would make little difference to the Pats this year. But in the long run, I'm betting on Garoppolo to be the more valuable player.

I always said that fiedorowicz was a 3rd-4th rounder for me so the end of the 2nd round wouldn't have been too much of a stretch. I'm more and more comfortable with the Garrapolo pick now, I was just thinking about which prospects I'd have liked if we hadn't drafted Garropolo.

 

[patchick]

Martin was graded as a late first or second round talent predraft.

Martin, and indeed all the centers, were graded all over the map. There was no consensus. Here's one ranking that had Martin below Stork, as a 7th-round prospect:
http://optimumscouting.com/rankings/static-rankings/center-rankings.html

As it turns out he was a 3-rounder, which seems reasonable. I didn't think much of Martin myself, but with his injury we won't know much about him for a while.