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Had high hopes for this kid. This is the type of pick that makes taking a player with high upside so difficult for many teams. His measureables were excellent and he had a great sack total coming out of college from Arkansas. Just didn't work out. Same for Crable. Seems to be working out for Collins so far and those are the risk rewards. It's always a gamble with these types of players but when you hit on them your a genius. When you you don't you suck. Then you have captain hindsight fans coming in saying TY Hilton or this player was available this many picks later for the next 10 years.
 
Had high hopes for this kid. This is the type of pick that makes taking a player with high upside so difficult for many teams. His measureables were excellent and he had a great sack total coming out of college from Arkansas. Just didn't work out. Same for Crable. Seems to be working out for Collins so far and those are the risk rewards. It's always a gamble with these types of players but when you hit on them your a genius. When you you don't you suck. Then you have captain hindsight fans coming in saying TY Hilton or this player was available this many picks later for the next 10 years.

The point is other Teams have done better than average with Third Round picks. The N.E. Patriots are well below average ie...Mallett - Bequette and too many others to list. For whatever reason more 7th rounders have made this Team than 3rd Rounders go figure.
 
Evidently, he is still in possession of those photos of Kraft, Belichick and the monkey.

sounds like a Hollywood slasher pic....

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The point is other Teams have done better than average with Third Round picks. The N.E. Patriots are well below average ie...Mallett - Bequette and too many others to list. For whatever reason more 7th rounders have made this Team than 3rd Rounders go figure.
I dont think that is terribly shocking.

In the 3rd round you are looking for potential starters. Granted they are long shots, but that's what you hope to find. In the 7th you are looking for role players, or player in a position of depth need (3rd TE, last OL, run clogging DT, etc) who may make the team but also will not have large roles. Its easier to succeed with those expectations.

Additionally, there are many players that have ability but issues, and they fall. Some of them overcome the issues and play like they would have been expected to without the issues.

Of course some teams do better than average with 3rd rounders, but as many do worse, by definition.

The part that I think is at issue is what is 'average success with 3rd rounders'. Of course since it is so narrow, you would have to do a very long range analysis.
 
You heard wrong. We'll have to give Houston a pair of 2nd rounders to take Mallett and Bequette.

I think you got the reports wrong. Reports are that Clowney is doing so well that the Patriots might take him straight up for either Mallett or Bequette.
 
I think the thread title should be edit as such:
"Has Jake Bequette Been Doing Anything - Buehler?"
 
The point is other Teams have done better than average with Third Round picks. The N.E. Patriots are well below average ie...Mallett - Bequette and too many others to list. For whatever reason more 7th rounders have made this Team than 3rd Rounders go figure.


Belichick actually answered this exact question in a Press Conference one time. He said in effect:

"You can't gamble with First Round picks. If you're wrong you set your program back too far, though some do. So I have to gamble with Second and even more with Third rounders to attempt to equalize the cumulative effect of always drafting toward the end of the round, that the League imposes to equalize talent. As with all gambles, sometimes you win, sometimes you must be prepared to lose."​

That was one of those occasional very illuminating philosophical discussion questions that along with history of the League, that Belichick allows himself to answer. He does so only because they can provide not even the remotest possibility of an advantage to his opposing Coaches.

Commenters even speculated that was one of the reasons the Patriots maintain their own college draft scouting system, and do not rely on the National scouting services that many teams use. He is looking for the overlooked talents, or unique situations, that he can exploit in other rounds.

History tends to bear out his actions. In the BB era, the Patriots have never outright failed with a FIrst round selection, although some have not produced as much as hoped.

Meanwhile I do not accept your revisionist history that the Belichick Patriots are poor drafters. It is more than luck, it is talented players selected that have made them 10+ game winners for the last decade and a half.
 
It doesn't matter. what matters is if the 7th round pick or free agent can rush the passer.

Plenty of teams have blown 1st rounders on a pass rusher, it's a hard position to predict.
It does matter. To an extent, every blown draft pick matters.
 
It does matter. To an extent, every blown draft pick matters.

No it doesn't. We pick in the bottom of every round, every year, yet we stock the team with players good enough to have the best record by far in the Belichick era.

Winning games matters. How they hire players to stock the team does not.
 
No it doesn't. We pick in the bottom of every round, every year, yet we stock the team with players good enough to have the best record by far in the Belichick era.

Winning games matters. How they hire players to stock the team does not.
Yes, it does. You cannot build your team through trades and free agent acquisitions alone.
 
Yes, it does. You cannot build your team through trades and free agent acquisitions alone.

Are you saying that's what the Patriots have done? While picking at the bottom of every round?

By the way, though I don't believe in absolutes and it was pre-salary cap, you might want to look up George Allen.
 
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Are you saying that's what the Patriots have done? While picking at the bottom of every round?

Would Edleman play better if they had drafted him in the third round?
 
Belichick actually answered this exact question in a Press Conference one time. He said in effect:

"You can't gamble with First Round picks. If your wrong you set your program back too far, though some do. So I have to gamble with Second and even more with Third rounders to attempt to equalize the cumulative effect of always drafting toward the end of the round, that the League imposes to equalize talent. As with all gambles, sometimes you win, sometimes you must be prepared to lose."

That was one of those occasional very illuminating philosophical discussion questions that along with history of the League, that Belichick allows himself to answer. He does so only because they can provide not even the remotest possibility of an advantage to his opposing Coaches.

Commenters even speculated that was one of the reasons the Patriots maintain their own college draft scouting system, and do not rely on the National scouting services that many teams use. He is looking for the overlooked talents, or unique situations, that he can exploit in other rounds.

History tends to bear out his actions. In the BB era, the Patriots have never outright failed with a FIrst round selection, although some have not produced as much as hoped.

Meanwhile I do not accept your revisionist history that the Belichick Patriots are poor drafters. It is more than luck, it is talented players selected that have made them 10+ game winners for the last decade and a half.

Good find. I suspected as much. When you look at the value of a very low 3rd round pick, you're starting to enter the real crap shoot territory. As was evident last year, he'd rather have three shots at a fourth rounder than two shots at a third (or equivalent value). If 90 players have been picked and you're not one of them, you're just not that special.

Come cut down time, they're all the same if they haven't won a job.
 
im sure that he continues to be composed of atoms
 
Are you saying that's what the Patriots have done? While picking at the bottom of every round?

By the way, though I don't believe in absolutes and it was pre-salary cap, you might want to look up George Allen.
The Patriots blow draft picks and they hit on draft picks. Stop being silly.
 
i have been watching him very intently all camp and I'm pretty sure he's gonna "pop" this season....we're finally gonna have that pas rush we've wanted
 
The point is other Teams have done better than average with Third Round picks. The N.E. Patriots are well below average ie...Mallett - Bequette and too many others to list. For whatever reason more 7th rounders have made this Team than 3rd Rounders go figure.

You need to qualify this, how many third rounders have made an impact in the NFL?? What it the average hits or misses across the league??

There have been some ups and downs on the third round, but it it not all bad as we selected Ryan, Harmon and Ridley in the third round... this team has had tremendous success with UDFA's.
 
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