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NFL.com's Gregg Rosenthal has nice writeup on Jamie Collins, who comes in at #5 on his list of player's ready to "make the leap":

Jamie Collins is a cornerback trapped in a 250-pound body. While most linebackers are forced into pass coverage duties, Collins looks at home on an island.

As a rookie, Collins played inside and outside linebacker. He lined up at defensive end occasionally to rush the passer, and could blitz up the middle. Moving forward is typical of a guy his size, but it's not typical to see the same player line up one-on-one outside the numbers against receivers, and win.

Bill Belichick has found a new sort of prototype. Nearly 30 years removed from establishing what NFL teams look for in a 3-4 linebacker, Collins is the right player for this era. Once a safety at Southern Mississippi, Collins can go entire games without going after a quarterback. (Week 16 against Baltimore was a great example; he shut down their tight ends on passing downs.)

"He does everything," Patriots safety Devin McCourty told the Boston Globe this offseason. "He's one of those freakish athletes that can do what we do as defensive backs and as a linebacker."

Belichick built his championship defenses in large part around his linebackers, but he hasn't had a player quite like Collins. It's disarming to see a player his size (6'4) chasing down wide receivers from the weak side. The NFL wouldn't have known what to do with him 20 years ago.

Collins is the player that Adalius Thomas was supposed to be.
If he were a baseball player, we'd talk about his five tools: Speed, strength, pass coverage, pass rush and run stopping. Belichick's defenses have tended to be more vanilla in recent years because of personnel. Now Belichick has Darrelle Revis and a Swiss Army knife asset like Collins in his pocket; it's time to get more creative again.

Collins' ceiling would be to emerge as the AFC's answer to Lavonte David and Thomas Davis. In an era of multiple defenses and pass-catching tight ends, every team is looking for hybrids at linebacker. The Patriots found a good one.

Making The Leap, No. 5: Patriots' Jamie Collins - NFL.com

The full article is worth reading. Nothing that hasn't been discussed many times, and fairly noting that the optimism is based on a small body of work, but a good read.
 
Can't help but get excited about Jamie reading these articles. Despite how little action he's had this dude looks like he could have the most potential and highest ceiling a player on our defense has had in a long time. Good read.
 
Can't help but get excited about Jamie reading these articles. Despite how little action he's had this dude looks like he could have the most potential and highest ceiling a player on our defense has had in a long time. Good read.

The thing is, I think Dominique Easley has just as high a ceiling as Collins, maybe even higher. The prospect of Revis taking away half the field, Easley creating disruption from multiple gaps on the DL, and Collins being used as a wildcard in many different ways is just intoxicating. It's hard not to get a little giddy, even though past experience says to take everything with a grain of salt.
 
NFL.com's Gregg Rosenthal has nice writeup on Jamie Collins, who comes in at #5 on his list of player's ready to "make the leap":



http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000363560/article/making-the-leap-no-5-patriots-jamie-collins

The full article is worth reading. Nothing that hasn't been discussed many times, and fairly noting that the optimism is based on a small body of work, but a good read.

Collins is one of the many questions that should be answered over the course of the coming season, and if the answer is as positive as most of us believe it will be then the Patriots are going to have a great young player on their hands. There are so many young players who could take the next step this season and if they do then the sky is the limit for this team, it is basically going to determine the success or failure of this team.
 
The thing is, I think Dominique Easley has just as high a ceiling as Collins, maybe even higher. The prospect of Revis taking away half the field, Easley creating disruption from multiple gaps on the DL, and Collins being used as a wildcard in many different ways is just intoxicating. It's hard not to get a little giddy, even though past experience says to take everything with a grain of salt.
I would add Chandler Jones to the high ceiling list along with Collins and Easley. I think Jones has just scratched the surface of what he can be.
 
He's not going to come off the field much this year so he's going to have the chance to put up some crazy stats.
 
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We saw Collins show improvement in understanding his role and responsibilities as the season wore on, which is to be expected for most rookies. If he can continue to show progress, he has the obvious potential to be one good player.
 
The thing is, I think Dominique Easley has just as high a ceiling as Collins, maybe even higher. The prospect of Revis taking away half the field, Easley creating disruption from multiple gaps on the DL, and Collins being used as a wildcard in many different ways is just intoxicating. It's hard not to get a little giddy, even though past experience says to take everything with a grain of salt.

Revis' presence is also about showing the young DB's what's possible, about establishing a new ceiling for the position, creating a new model of how to be a professional DB. Every DB the Pats carry this year should be better because of it. That kind of excellence has huge intangible benefits.
 
No pads yet, but it's very hard not to be excited about this kid after what he showed in the playoffs, even in the loss to the Broncos in the AFCCG. We heard countless staff marvel at the kid during TC last season and now we'll get to see that in a full-time role barring injury. Count me as one who will be watching this kid intently.
 
If what we saw in the playoffs against the Colts is close to his norm, he is a potential Hall of Famer. Not expecting that week in and week out. But he could be a special player.

Funny, a lot of people trashed his selection last year, but he has the potential to be one of the best draft picks of the Belichick era. Granted potential is only worth anything if the potential is reached.
 
He's one of the players I'm most looking forward to seeing this training camp. At this time of year, potential is all we have, and he's got it in bulk. Definitely in my top five storylines to watch this season.
 
If what we saw in the playoffs against the Colts is close to his norm, he is a potential Hall of Famer. Not expecting that week in and week out. But he could be a special player.

Funny, a lot of people trashed his selection last year, but he has the potential to be one of the best draft picks of the Belichick era. Granted potential is only worth anything if the potential is reached.

I was a huge Collins fan prior to the 2013 draft, just as I had Dominique Easley as one of my 2 top rated players this year. Both selections were unpopular at the time.

While Collins deserves tons of credit for his work ethic and freakish athleticism, I think the Pats deserve a lot of credit for bringing him along slowly and for figuring out how to take advantage of his skills. As Rosenthal notes, 20 years ago teams "wouldn't have known what to do" with a guy with his tool set, and I think even today it's still not obvious. I think this passage from the article is key:

Moving forward is typical of a guy his size, but it's not typical to see the same player line up one-on-one outside the numbers against receivers, and win. ... Once a safety at Southern Mississippi, Collins can go entire games without going after a quarterback. (Week 16against Baltimore was a great example; he shut down their tight ends on passing downs.)

Being able to bring pressure is critically important, but so is coverage ability. Tight ends and RBs are much more critical components of the passing attack than was usual in the past (though there were always exceptions). It's much more common to see guys like Von Miller and Kiki Mingo used "moving forward" as pass rushers. That's what they are used to doing, what they like to do, and what earns most of the accolades. Miami has been bulking up Dion Jordan, trying to make him into a line player, rather than using his natural skill set in space, which is what makes him so unique. Collins certainly has the potential to be a devastating weapon blitzing and coming off the edge, but he doesn't have to generate pressure to be a tremendous weapon - he can "go entire games without going after a quarterback" and still be extremely effective. The 2013 draft was unusual for having 3 guys (Jordan, Mingo and Collins) with freakish athleticism and the movement skills for guys their size, but so far the Pats have been the only team who have exploited that. That the other two guys were top 6 picks (as was Von Miller in 2011), and the Pats stole Collins at 52 in the second round, makes it all the more sweet.
 
Being able to bring pressure is critically important, but so is coverage ability.

I'm reminded (reluctantly) of the 2010 divisional game against the Jets, where they basically rushed 3 and left everyone else back in coverage. In a gameplan like that, a player like Collins has more value in coverage than he does rushing the passer. What could make him a special player is his ability to then, the next game, become a more active rusher and excel there as well. Again, assuming everything comes together for him.
 
I would add Chandler Jones to the high ceiling list along with Collins and Easley. I think Jones has just scratched the surface of what he can be.

Agreed although Jones is now a vet 3rd yr player.
After I check him out in training camp I'll get back to you on how his Baby Huey body has progressed in losing that 10-15 LBS of body fat and converting 10 LBS to muscle.
 
I'm reminded (reluctantly) of the 2010 divisional game against the Jets, where they basically rushed 3 and left everyone else back in coverage. In a gameplan like that, a player like Collins has more value in coverage than he does rushing the passer. What could make him a special player is his ability to then, the next game, become a more active rusher and excel there as well. Again, assuming everything comes together for him.

I'm thinking about the Jets, too, but more in terms of the overload 4-man rush they would run, where one half of the line comes upfield, combined with 7-man coverage in which Revis locks down his man. With Collins on one side and Mayo on the other, a blitz can come from either side, and the other coverage LB can rotate to accommodate the blitzing LB. With Jones and Nink or Hightower at the rush end, the rush can come from either side, while still having decent coverage guys on the off-side. The possibilities for misdirection are the ability to mix things up are the stuff that it takes to beat the top offensive lines.
 
I was a huge Collins fan prior to the 2013 draft, just as I had Dominique Easley as one of my 2 top rated players this year. Both selections were unpopular at the time.

While Collins deserves tons of credit for his work ethic and freakish athleticism, I think the Pats deserve a lot of credit for bringing him along slowly and for figuring out how to take advantage of his skills. As Rosenthal notes, 20 years ago teams "wouldn't have known what to do" with a guy with his tool set, and I think even today it's still not obvious. I think this passage from the article is key:



Being able to bring pressure is critically important, but so is coverage ability. Tight ends and RBs are much more critical components of the passing attack than was usual in the past (though there were always exceptions). It's much more common to see guys like Von Miller and Kiki Mingo used "moving forward" as pass rushers. That's what they are used to doing, what they like to do, and what earns most of the accolades. Miami has been bulking up Dion Jordan, trying to make him into a line player, rather than using his natural skill set in space, which is what makes him so unique. Collins certainly has the potential to be a devastating weapon blitzing and coming off the edge, but he doesn't have to generate pressure to be a tremendous weapon - he can "go entire games without going after a quarterback" and still be extremely effective. The 2013 draft was unusual for having 3 guys (Jordan, Mingo and Collins) with freakish athleticism and the movement skills for guys their size, but so far the Pats have been the only team who have exploited that. That the other two guys were top 6 picks (as was Von Miller in 2011), and the Pats stole Collins at 52 in the second round, makes it all the more sweet.

It wasn't 20 years ago, but Brian Urlacher was a similar type of player. He wasn't as athletic, but he was another converted safety who was smaller and faster than the prototypical LBer.
 
Collins will be benefit from having a great secondary and Mayo back. I'm excited to see how BB uses him this year
 
I know it's pre pre-season where hope runs amok unbounded and I'm certainly old enough where I should know better, but despite recent history and cold reason I can't stop my giddy anticipation for what looks like a return to the years when opposing teams actually feared facing a Patriots defense as opposed to rubbing their hands together in glee at the myriad prospects of exploitation. I get my blood up far more watching a soul crushing, game clinching, man handling defensive stand by the Pats than by some spectacular offensive TD with 2+ minutes left on the clock.
 
im excited about the defense in general.....so many what ifs......i hope jones has added either a little more size and power, or a little more burst....so he can make the leap to elite......his length is great but you gotta have either power (seymour) or quickness (watt) to be elite
 
im excited about the defense in general.....so many what ifs......i hope jones has added either a little more size and power, or a little more burst....so he can make the leap to elite......his length is great but you gotta have either power (seymour) or quickness (watt) to be elite

Et Tu James, Et Tu?
 
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