Brady's playoff performances

[SHOWTIME15]

the man has got to learn to throw the deep ball better....

 

[condon84]

The truth of the matter is that Brady built his reputation as a winner and clutch performer when he started out 10-0 in the playoffs. He didn't put up crazy numbers but he made he clutch plays and avoided crucial mistakes. He was always dependable and steady.

After hit 10-0 start, Brady in the playoffs has been inconsistent. He's had some gems scattered about, but his inconsistencies have only been highlighted more and more since the Pats make it to the playoffs every single year.

It was an easy argument to say Brady was GOAT mainly based on his 10-0 start of his playoff career and the clutch plays, but since then, it's fair to say that his playoff performances has been wildly inconsistent.

We always killed Peyton for not playing up to his standards in the playoffs, it is hypocritical now to dismiss Brady's inconsistent play and say "well, he's human", lol.

And this doesn't mean I don't appreciate Brady for what he's done, lol. It's been a great ride.

I don't see Brady winning another SB unless he's got a completely stacked team. And even then, that might not be enough if he doesn't play up to par--see '07.

 

[mb6592]

Not if you adjust for the number of drives. On a per-drive basis, the offense yesterday scored about 90% as many points as during the regular season, while the defense allowed about twice as many as they did during the regular season. I'm pretty sure the 2011 Super Bowl was similar, but I'm going to refrain from going back and reliving that to crunch the numbers. If the defense gives up multiple 7 minute drives, then they're not going to allow a ton of points, but that's still a sign of awful defense.

I kind of discount the offense's production from yesterday because it came too late - when Denver was already in a prevent. The real story of yesterday's game was 3 points through 3 quarters - that's abysmal.

 

[BradyisGod]

Perhaps it was mentioned in this thread somewhere, but is anyone factoring in "thin air" when it comes to the performance in Denver? In Denver you can kick 60+ yard field goals. When you practice all week at sea level and then start throwing the ball at altitude, then I bet some of those throws sail high. I'm not making excuses, but since they were all overthrows, it seems a possibility.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Give him a true #1 WR and healthy top flight TE, better o-line that can actually pass protect in big games, a d-line that can actually create pressure and a better secondary that doesn't give up 3rd and forever and he will actually play like a top flight QB. Is that asking too much?

Give that to half of the QB's ion the league and they will have a winning season.

 

[IcyPatriot]

the man has got to learn to throw the deep ball better....

14 years later .... really :confused3:

 

[wolverinejoe80]

guys 'thin air' argument is for real.

i live in high altitude area right now (higher than denver), and football really do travel. i could throw 5-6 yard farther in here then when i was in chicago. and brady overthrows in boston, so these overthrows are no coincident.


but we still need 'bail out WRs'. brady isn't getting any younger and he isn't getting any better. we need to give brady some weapons.

 

[Sciz]

I kind of discount the offense's production from yesterday because it came too late - when Denver was already in a prevent. The real story of yesterday's game was 3 points through 3 quarters - that's abysmal.

Neither the offense or the defense was worth a darn through three quarters. The offense at least started scoring at the end, where the defense never started stopping.

 

[FourierSeries]

Maybe losing to Peyton in the playoffs will motivate him next year. Everyone seems to be questioning his ability in the postseason given his lackluster performances lately. Perhaps he will have a bigger chip on his shoulder than ever as a result.

 

[supafly]

The truth of the matter is that Brady built his reputation as a winner and clutch performer when he started out 10-0 in the playoffs. He didn't put up crazy numbers but he made he clutch plays and avoided crucial mistakes. He was always dependable and steady.

After hit 10-0 start, Brady in the playoffs has been inconsistent. He's had some gems scattered about, but his inconsistencies have only been highlighted more and more since the Pats make it to the playoffs every single year.

It was an easy argument to say Brady was GOAT mainly based on his 10-0 start of his playoff career and the clutch plays, but since then, it's fair to say that his playoff performances has been wildly inconsistent.

We always killed Peyton for not playing up to his standards in the playoffs, it is hypocritical now to dismiss Brady's inconsistent play and say "well, he's human", lol.

And this doesn't mean I don't appreciate Brady for what he's done, lol. It's been a great ride.

I don't see Brady winning another SB unless he's got a completely stacked team. And even then, that might not be enough if he doesn't play up to par--see '07.

The fact that our defense averaged about 16-17 points per game in the high majority of those 9 postseason games throughout our SB runs of '01, '03, and '04 had a LOT to do with Tom Brady's success too.

I would think that if our defense were able to hold the opposition to 16-17 points per game in the postseason, he'd have a much better record, along with another ring, possibly even two.

Look at the points that our defense has given up just recently:

09 BAL--33
10 NYJ--28
11 NYG--21
12 BAL--28
13 DEN--26

In 4/5 recent losses, our defense has given up between 26-33 points. That is in comparison to the 16-17 on average that they gave up during that postseason stretch (the outlier being the AFCCG where we won 41-27 in 2004, but even then we had the game well in hand and gave up some meaningless "garbage time" points).

Yes, Brady may not be winning as many games in the past 3-4 years, but he's also putting up numbers that are often "good enough" had the defense just done their jobs. When you give up important 4th quarter points in many of these postseason games ('06 AFCCG, '07 SB, '10 NYJ, '11 SB, '12 BAL) that tends to change things quite a bit.

The bottom line is that our defense cannot continue to allow the opposition to score deep into the high 20's/early 30's and still expect to somehow win. That's ridiculous. It's just not playoff football.

 

[supafly]

Maybe losing to Peyton in the playoffs will motivate him next year. Everyone seems to be questioning his ability in the postseason given his lackluster performances lately. Perhaps he will have a bigger chip on his shoulder than ever as a result.

I'm pretty sure that if it came down to individual challenges in the postseason, this would be a fine thought, and Brady would be more than motivated to do everything in his power to win.

However, we can't honestly expect this guy to be any more motivated than he already is. If they expect Brady to have a shot, they are going to have to hope that we don't have seasons like this with crazy injuries, and are going to have to continue to get him some talent at the position of WR. Just as importantly, we're going to have to have a viable defense to stop the opposition.

We went from asking him to win without a defense in the recent past, to asking him to win without a defense AND without any capable receiving weapons.

 

[TonyTucker]

The fact that our defense averaged about 16-17 points per game in the high majority of those 9 postseason games throughout our SB runs of '01, '03, and '04 had a LOT to do with Tom Brady's success too.

I would think that if our defense were able to hold the opposition to 16-17 points per game in the postseason, he'd have a much better record, along with another ring, possibly even two.

Look at the points that our defense has given up just recently:

09 BAL--33
10 NYJ--28
11 NYG--21
12 BAL--28
13 DEN--26

In 4/5 recent losses, our defense has given up between 26-33 points. That is in comparison to the 16-17 on average that they gave up during that postseason stretch (the outlier being the AFCCG where we won 41-27 in 2004, but even then we had the game well in hand and gave up some meaningless "garbage time" points).

Yes, Brady may not be winning as many games in the past 3-4 years, but he's also putting up numbers that are often "good enough" had the defense just done their jobs. When you give up important 4th quarter points in many of these postseason games ('06 AFCCG, '07 SB, '10 NYJ, '11 SB, '12 BAL) that tends to change things quite a bit.

The bottom line is that our defense cannot continue to allow the opposition to score deep into the high 20's/early 30's and still expect to somehow win. That's ridiculous. It's just not playoff football.

14 points isn't going to cut it, nor is not scoring for the last 26:30 of the game. They really came up small in those SB's. Plus this last game, 3 points against a Del Rio defense? Shameful. The defense was pitiful, too, though. They didn't even touch Forehead.

 

[supafly]

14 points isn't going to cut it, nor is not scoring for the last 26:30 of the game. They really came up small in those SB's. Plus this last game, 3 points against a Del Rio defense? Shameful. The defense was pitiful, too, though. They didn't even touch Forehead.

14 points? You mean when they scored the go ahead TD to Moss with 3 min remaining in the first SB vs the NYG to go ahead 14-10? Who was it that immediately allowed the opposition to (once again) march down the field and score the game winning TD late in the 4th quarter? The defense....

How about your other example of "coming up small" in the second SB? Once again, they had the lead 17-15, and yet the defense allowed the second backbreaking late 4th quarter TD drive of 80+ yards at the last possible chance.

Both instances the offense scored "enough" to win the game, and in both instances the defense allowed backbreaking 80+ yard drives that resulted in TDs.

I don't see anyone complaining about Eli Manning "only" scoring 10 and 15 prior to the final moments of each game...only lauding him for being a 2x SB champ. That's the way it goes. Brady only scored 20 pts in the first SB, and 24 in the 3rd, yet the defense was stout enough to hold onto those leads.

All you need to do is look at the past 5 big game losses to see that any defense that allows between 26-33 points isn't going to put their team in much of a chance to win it.

 

[makoute]

the man has got to learn to throw the deep ball better....

That ship has sailed.

 

[supafly]

Sometimes you get the bounce or the call, and sometimes you don't, but way too much is being made out of calling Brady out personally. Consider that he'd definitely have been at least a 4x SB winner if the following doesn't happen:

--there is no helmet catch, or Rodney makes the play

--holding is called and the ref admittedly doesn't "start to blow his whistle" when the ball is coming out

--Eli is called for being in the grasp, just as the ref admitted when he claimed that he started to blow the whistle

--any one of our 3 failed/dropped INTs don't occur from Meriweather, Harrison, or Samuel in the final quarter

--Welker holds onto the ball in the 2nd matchup

--Manningham doesn't choose to wear shoes that he claimed were 1/2 inch too small for whatever reason that day, as he obviously would've been out of bounds on the crucial sideline catch on 3rd and long

--the Giants don't fumble the ball FOUR times and recover every single one of them

--Gronkowski doesn't miss the last 3 postseasons due to 3 separate injuries

--Talib doesn't get hurt in the first 1/4 in back to back AFCCGs

 

[supafly]

Just to put things fully into perspective, let's look at Brady's stats in 3 of our recent losses in the

NYG SB Part 2, the NYJ 2010, and yesterday's DEN loss:



6 TD's (1 running) vs 2 INT's total

284 yards passing average

completion rates of 66%, 64%, and 63% for an average of 63.4%



Obviously, this should not be about Brady and his "failures."

He may not be lighting the world on fire, but c'mon. It's a team game. We need others to step up too, and that is not happening.

Talk about the horrible defense, talk about the inability to cause any turnovers, talk about the dropped passes/INT's, the questionable gameplanning...whatever you want, but let's not put this on Tom Brady.

Look at his stats in many of the games that we've won in the earlier years.

 

[TonyTucker]

If he's the greatest of all time (he's not), then he would do better than "good enough". And obviously 14 and 17 weren't good enough because they lost. One would think in five cracks he would be able to actually put a team away rather than having it come down to fluke plays. Why is every game a 3 or 4 point difference? The highest scoring offense couldn't manage more than 2 piddly TD's against a team they scored 38 on a month earlier? Or how about closing the deal with a TD to make it 24-15 so we have no BS hail mary to Manningham? I also think it's funny that when they win, it's all him, but when they lose, it's everyone else's fault.

 

[TonyTucker]

Just to put things fully into perspective, let's look at Brady's stats in 3 of our recent losses in the

NYG SB Part 2, the NYJ 2010, and yesterday's DEN loss:



6 TD's (1 running) vs 2 INT's total

284 yards passing average

completion rates of 66%, 64%, and 63% for an average of 63.4%



Obviously, this should not be about Brady and his "failures."

He may not be lighting the world on fire, but c'mon. It's a team game. We need others to step up too, and that is not happening.

Talk about the horrible defense, talk about the inability to cause any turnovers, talk about the dropped passes/INT's, the questionable gameplanning...whatever you want, but let's not put this on Tom Brady.

Look at his stats in many of the games that we've won in the earlier years.

You've got to be kidding. In the Broncos and Jets games, it was like the stat padding of all stat paddings. Just a bunch of empty yards while the other team sat back.

 

[RelocatedPatFan]

I read only the first couple pages, but the negative comments were really being driven by people with low post counts.

Does that mean they are true fans? Or has they not been able to formulate good posts because we were winning and they had to wait until a loss?

Perhaps the old adage that QBs get too much of the credit when they win and too much of the blame when they lose.

I can't see many QBs taking the talent they had and pushing it as far as it went. not to mention the number of times that the offense had to morph from what we all expected. Maybe these fans will appreciate the alchemy that he does on the field. and by alchemy, i mean he can turn ****** into sugar. (not meant to disrespect his receivers, but more the situations about losing his top 2 TE's, having wounded rookies as his WRs. Edleman stepped up and Amendola may need more time or isn't up to the point we all hoped he'd be at).

and to close it off, if these fans don't won't Brady...who do they want as a QB? i guess winning often isn't good enough. spoiled fans for sure. Guess he'd enjoy being a Giant fan with 2 recent SB wins and then some miserable seasons where they were competing for a top draft pick.

 

[Froob]

14 points? You mean when they scored the go ahead TD to Moss with 3 min remaining in the first SB vs the NYG to go ahead 14-10? Who was it that immediately allowed the opposition to (once again) march down the field and score the game winning TD late in the 4th quarter? The defense....

How about your other example of "coming up small" in the second SB? Once again, they had the lead 17-15, and yet the defense allowed the second backbreaking late 4th quarter TD drive of 80+ yards at the last possible chance.

Both instances the offense scored "enough" to win the game, and in both instances the defense allowed backbreaking 80+ yard drives that resulted in TDs.

I don't see anyone complaining about Eli Manning "only" scoring 10 and 15 prior to the final moments of each game...only lauding him for being a 2x SB champ. That's the way it goes. Brady only scored 20 pts in the first SB, and 24 in the 3rd, yet the defense was stout enough to hold onto those leads.

All you need to do is look at the past 5 big game losses to see that any defense that allows between 26-33 points isn't going to put their team in much of a chance to win it.

You can't expect your defense to hold teams to less than 14 and 17 to win a super bowl. Offense was the reason they lost both those super bowls. Two of the greatest offenses of all time should have been able to score 18 and 22.