Austin Collie is back

[RIpats88]

Valuable depth to play until Dobson gets healthy hopefully soon.

Had some really big catches against the saints

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Someone else mentioned earlier and I echo it... I thought he was done for the year with a knee? not sure I got that from?but it doesn't seem to be true so welcome back.

If he had been done for the year he would presumably have gotten an injury settlement. Someone here speculated that in his contract he waived the right to get an injury settlement due to his injury history, but I doubt that such a clause would be legal.

He was injured enough so that he was going to be game-day inactive for awhile if kept on the roster, that's all, so he was released and probably told to expect a call at some point.

 

[Mike the Brit]

The Texan Sheepdog is in the house ...

 

[supafly]

Austin Collie obviously has his issues and concerns, but I believe that he's an excellent choice myself.

He reportedly had been spending up to 3 extra hrs per day before/after regular practice with receivers coach Chad O'Shea, OC Josh McDaniels, and Tom Brady. As his comfort level and knowledge of the system increased, so did his live gameday reps. They went up week to week until his injury occurred.

We don't need him for a long term signing. We just need him to fill a role until the end of the season, and I think he's probably the best candidate available to be able to do that.

 

[NormZauchin]

I had forgotten all about that until you mentioned that just now. I'm not positive, but if I recall correctly that was the one and only Clive Rush, the guy that Billy Sullivan chose to replace Mike Holovak over Chuck Noll. Sullivan had just watched the Jets beat the Colts in Super Bowl 3. Colts OC was Noll, Jets OC was Rush, so he hired Rush. If anything he should have hired the Jets DC, since it was their defense that won that game. The Jest DC was a guy named Buddy Ryan.

Rush was most well known for being the guy who got electrocuted when he grabbed a microphone that had a short, but rumors were that the guy was literally crazy, with serious psychological problems, who also suffered from depression and drank to excess. Helluva combination for an NFL head coach. Maybe that had something to do with trading away the team's best player, an in-his-prime Nick Buonoconti for a bag of footballs.

Actually, the microphone was part of Rush's electroshock therapy.

 

[Ivan]

Once again a really good job by the Patriots front office of bring ing in a guy who can come in and contribute. With Dobson and Thompkins hurting it's good insurance. I would rather see Boyce getting some reps but i guess we will have to wait a litlle longer for that.

 

[Claremonster]

Don't forget Gronk. WHITE POWER! :rocker: *

* A joke, people. Relax.

Could have kept Woodcawk and Weklah too...

 

[supafly]

Once again a really good job by the Patriots front office of bring ing in a guy who can come in and contribute. With Dobson and Thompkins hurting it's good insurance. I would rather see Boyce getting some reps but i guess we will have to wait a litlle longer for that.

I think we'll see our shot with Boyce soon enough. I always felt that it would be rather difficult to try and reasonably get production from THREE rookie wide receivers in the same year anyway.

He'll be in the mix to make his mark through having a good offseason and TC. In the meantime, I think a guy like Collie provides us a much better chance at winning, and frankly--I'm happy to see him back for the short term.

 

[Ivan]

I think we'll see our shot with Boyce soon enough. I always felt that it would be rather difficult to try and reasonably get production from THREE rookie wide receivers in the same year anyway.

He'll be in the mix to make his mark through having a good offseason and TC. In the meantime, I think a guy like Collie provides us a much better chance at winning, and frankly--I'm happy to see him back for the short term.

The reason I liked the Boyce pick was as much about who he was as it was his abilities. He's a really bright, focused, hardworking guy, and that's often the difference, as any skill player has athletic ability. It may be the setback from his foot that kept him from having a full offseason, or it may be that he simply wasn't ready for pro ball, but i think he will get it and turn himself into a good player.

 

[supafly]

The reason I liked the Boyce pick was as much about who he was as it was his abilities. He's a really bright, focused, hardworking guy, and that's often the difference, as any skill player has athletic ability. It may be the setback from his foot that kept him from having a full offseason, or it may be that he simply wasn't ready for pro ball, but i think he will get it and turn himself into a good player.

We all certainly hope so. The thought of him being bright, focused, and hardworking is great; as that can often be the difference between contributing and not contributing on this specific team.

As we've seen, having those traits can often be just as important--if not more, than actual raw athletic talent, at least on this team here.

 

[Brady6]

Austin Collie obviously has his issues and concerns, but I believe that he's an excellent choice myself.

He reportedly had been spending up to 3 extra hrs per day before/after regular practice with receivers coach Chad O'Shea, OC Josh McDaniels, and Tom Brady. As his comfort level and knowledge of the system increased, so did his live gameday reps. They went up week to week until his injury occurred.

We don't need him for a long term signing. We just need him to fill a role until the end of the season, and I think he's probably the best candidate available to be able to do that.

Unfortunately it wasn’t translating into a ton of success for Collie; he was targeted 7 times for just 3 receptions and 34 receiving yards in his previous stint with the team.

10/13 – 9 snaps played, 2 receptions, 24 receiving yards
10/20 – 26 snaps played, 1 reception, 10 receiving yards
10/27 – 33 snaps played, 0 receptions
11/3 – 7 snaps played, 0 receptions

The thing that concerns me somewhat is that he was targeted 5 times for just 1 reception against the Jets and not targeted again in the next two games, so I question if Brady lost confidence in him.

The lack of success aside I am actually in agreement I like Collie and think he will make for a good addition, and what you’ve pointed out about the extra practice time is excellent to hear. I was beginning to enjoy watching Boyce return kicks and this could eliminate that from continuing.

 

[DaBruinz]

Unfortunately it wasn’t translating into a ton of success for Collie; he was targeted 7 times for just 3 receptions and 34 receiving yards in his previous stint with the team.

10/13 – 9 snaps played, 2 receptions, 24 receiving yards
10/20 – 26 snaps played, 1 reception, 10 receiving yards
10/27 – 33 snaps played, 0 receptions
11/3 – 7 snaps played, 0 receptions

The thing that concerns me somewhat is that he was targeted 5 times for just 1 reception against the Jets and not targeted again in the next two games, so I question if Brady lost confidence in him.

The lack of success aside I am actually in agreement I like Collie and think he will make for a good addition, and what you’ve pointed out about the extra practice time is excellent to hear. I was beginning to enjoy watching Boyce return kicks and this could eliminate that from continuing.

He only had 7 snaps in his final game because of his injury. Furthermore, targets and receptions are not the be all end all to determining a receivers worth. You still haven't figured this out despite numerous people telling you otherwise. In fact, targets to receptions is very misleading when you don't take into consideration whether the QB was just throwing the ball away and the player got the "target" because he was in the vicinity.

This idea that he was lacking in success despite his game reps going UP during the 3 weeks he wasn't injured makes no sense.

 

[captain stone]

Don't worry, We still have the O-line, Brady and Gronk.

We do have the OL; the question is: do we want it?

 

[Brady6]

He only had 7 snaps in his final game because of his injury. Furthermore, targets and receptions are not the be all end all to determining a receivers worth. You still haven't figured this out despite numerous people telling you otherwise. In fact, targets to receptions is very misleading when you don't take into consideration whether the QB was just throwing the ball away and the player got the "target" because he was in the vicinity.

This idea that he was lacking in success despite his game reps going UP during the 3 weeks he wasn't injured makes no sense.

He played in 4 games had 3 receptions for 34 yards and he caught 43% of the passes he was targeted on; he had 1 reception for 5 yards in his last 3 games here, you can spin that all you want but he was not successful in his prior stint.

In terms of targets not mattering you can tell me that all day every day and I will just disagree, if Brady is completing 61% of his passes this season total and only 43% of the ones that go to Collie are completed that is a clear indication that Collie is not doing as well as the other receivers on the team.

Catch %

1. Vereen – 73%
2. Gronkowski – 70% (last 4 games, 61% including first 2 games after returning)
3. Edelman – 69%
4. Amendola – 67%
5. Dobson – 54%
6. Thompkins – 46%

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Vereen, Gronkowski and Edelman are the top 3 players on this team…

 

[jmt57]

Pass completion percentage decreases the further downfield the pass is thrown (or at least it should be expected to do so) on any football team.

The order of catch percentage among the New England pass catchers should not be a surprise at all, and in my opinion does not reveal anything about one player outperforming another.

 

[mgteich]

Welcome back!

With only one real receiving threat from the TE position, the 3rd WR is a necessary passing option. With no Dobson or Thompkins, we will now have Collie and Boyce.

I see no negatives to adding Collie. If our top four WR's are all healthy in a couple of weeks, then Collie will have no role and would likely be inactive or waived. For now, he helps the offense.

BTW, it is somewhat amazing that folks now consider Collie too short for the patriots.

 

[Brady6]

Pass completion percentage decreases the further downfield the pass is thrown (or at least it should be expected to do so) on any football team.

The order of catch percentage among the New England pass catchers should not be a surprise at all, and in my opinion does not reveal anything about one player outperforming another.

I don’t disagree but you can still determine if the player is playing to the level of his peers, for example Randy Moss caught 61% of the balls he was targeted on in the 2 seasons he played with Brady (2007 and 2009. Rob Gronkowski catches the ball down field often time. Collie is a player running post patterns to the end zone anyway he is all of his receptions occurred on a pass thrown 1-10 yards.

I think you know where the player plays and the role he has and you can say based off the percentage that Dobson has out played Thompkins and Edelman has out played Amendola, these player comparisons have similar roles in the offense and are thrown the ball in similar distances down the field, that’s where I see it as a determining factor.

 

[jmt57]

I don’t disagree but you can still determine if the player is playing to the level of his peers, for example Randy Moss caught 61% of the balls he was targeted on in the 2 seasons he played with Brady (2007 and 2009. Rob Gronkowski catches the ball down field often time. Collie is a player running post patterns to the end zone anyway he is all of his receptions occurred on a pass thrown 1-10 yards.

I think you know where the player plays and the role he has and you can say based off the percentage that Dobson has out played Thompkins and Edelman has out played Amendola, these player comparisons have similar roles in the offense and are thrown the ball in similar distances down the field, that’s where I see it as a determining factor.

You're going to be very sorely disappointed in comparing 2007 Randy Moss or Gronk to just about anybody, much less a street free agent brought in to fill a glaring need.

Collie has had the same number of passes thrown to him as Josh Boyce has. A simple size of seven passes thrown in his direction is way too small to make a determination. If he had two more catches would we be declaring him to be the number one receiving threat on the team?

 

[Brady6]

You're going to be very sorely disappointed in comparing 2007 Randy Moss or Gronk to just about anybody, much less a street free agent brought in to fill a glaring need.

Collie has had the same number of passes thrown to him as Josh Boyce has. A simple size of seven passes thrown in his direction is way too small to make a determination. If he had two more catches would we be declaring him to be the number one receiving threat on the team?

I think the trend is what caused me some concern. 2/2, 1/5 and then not targeted at all in the next 2 games.

 

[stcjones]

Sorry....hard to look at the OL with any feeling of consistency or confidence. Solder has been manhandled, straight out beaten, and outplayed ALL season. Mankins also has gotten his butt kicked this year and has made boneheaded decisions......OL is a weakness this year (Again)....not a strength

QUOTE=Wheelman;3669146]Don't worry, We still have the O-line, Brady and Gronk. [/QUOTE]