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it only makes it illegal on FGs, for now.
That doesn't change the point at all, so I'm not sure why you keep bringing it up.
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What it says, and how it is supposed to be interpreted, are frequently not the same thing, as we all know from rules about holding, illegal contact, PI, etc... I expect that the NFL will come out with a statement about this, in some form, and that statement will lay out how the rule is going to be interpreted going forward.
Personally, I think that calling that a penalty the way they did is a really bad idea, because it all but eliminates stunting.
You said "I think that calling that a penalty the way they did is a really bad idea, because it all but eliminates stunting."That doesn't change the point at all, so I'm not sure why you keep bringing it up.
How many tuck rule penalties do you remember?
The opinion is that the linemen - especially the center - are in an extremely vulnerable position when blocking for FG's. They are low to the ground, heads down, and susceptible to a potential neck injury. Even on punts, the center is afforded some special protections.I totally agree with you. The rule is horrible and I don't get why this is only a safety issue during kicking. Seems almost designed to enable sketchy calls.
Here is why the call was bogus: it was a line stunt. Jones looped around to his right to hit the A-gap and had incidental contact with his line mate. It was not an attempt to push his teammate into the offensive formation. The call NEVER should have been made.
page 58 of the following pdf (~5 MB)
https://www.nfl.info/download/2012MediaGuides/2013%20NFL%20Rule%20Book.pdf
Team B players cannot push teammates on the line of scrimmage into the offensive formation.
BBs interpretation that the pusher has to come from the second level of the defense is incorrect.
Whether Jones was actually pushing the guy in front of him is a different thing entirely. I'd need to see a replay to determine if the pushing was incidental or intentional.
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BBs interpretation that the pusher has to come from the second level of the defense is incorrect.
That's a good enough explanation for me. So like I've been saying all along.... the refs did not decide the outcome of this game. The Patriots inept play and inept coaching, combined with a penalty a player committed at a key moment, did.
Why would you even try to stunt when the LOS is completely full with defensive players? If you watch the play you can see that he just moves moves back and to the side and tries to push directly in the other rushers back. It looks like he tries to push the rusher forward. Not like a stunt gone wrong.
one has to presume that when the refs come to training camp to explain all new rules and points of emphasis, they describe in practical terms what it is they are looking to eliminate.
Apparently a ref gave him bad info in camp with the "second level" explanation.
If the ref made the right call, (which certainly is still up for debate for some but if we accept for the sake of argument that he made the right call) then he did not decide the outcome of the game. Chris Jones decided the outcome of the game by committing a personal foul. All the ref did was correctly throw the flag.Can't see how you came to this conclusion.
The Patriots played poorly.
Then they were in OT lined up as a Jet PK tried to kick a 56 yard FG. He missed.
Then the ref changed the outcome of the game.
It's bizarre for you to say it didn't happen.
If he made the right call, (which certainly is still up for debate for some but if we accept for the sake of argument that he made the right call) then he did not decide the outcome of the game. Chris Jones decided the outcome of the game by committing a personal foul. All the ref did was correctly throw the flag.
Sorry, I'm not a Saints or Raiders fan. I'm not going to whine incessantly about officiating.The ref could have called a dozen penalties there if he wanted. But he didn't. Look at the Pereira link again. Watch #94 of the Jets give our defender a chokehold much worse than Solder gave Galette last week.
Can't see how you came to this conclusion.
The Patriots played poorly.
Then they were in OT lined up as a Jet PK tried to kick a 56 yard FG. He missed.
Then the ref changed the outcome of the game.
It's bizarre for you to say it didn't happen.
Sorry, I'm not a Saints or Raiders fan. I'm not going to whine incessantly about officiating.
There are few thing more pathetic than when the fan of a losing team whines about the number of times they were held.
Games aren't lost on single plays or a single call by a Referee. We lost this game in so many other places in every Quarter.