The Official Patriots vs Jet game thread

[dizi24]

Re: Blaming the refs? Really?

Reguardless of the call. The pats had no business winning that game. Injuries and bradys arm is what killed this team today

Didn't deserve to win the game? What does that even mean? We were in a tie game in overtime and barely lost. You may not like the way we played, but there's no such thing as "winning when you don't deserve to." I didn't realize teams weren't allowed to win when they don't play up to your expectations.

If you want to say that's the right call, that's fine. But don't say the pats didn't deserve to win it, because that makes zero sense.

 

[ausbacker]

Re: Blaming the refs? Really?

I scoff at the idea that the Pats get screwed by the officiating but that call DIRECTLY lost us the game. It's a rule apparently, it just blows that they'd call that when it had no effect on the kick which was the biggest play of the game. If that's not called all TB needs is 20 yards and game over Pats win. Ugh.

If the penalty is there it should be called.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Re: What the HELL!!?!?!??!

David Wade ‏@davidwade 8m
WOW--->> RT @MikePereira: This is the first time this foul has been called.

 

[Uncle Rico]

After seeing it again I'm saying Right call bad rule.

Sound familiar?

Yeah, I hear you. Difference is this is a rule that is new this year and hadn't been called yet — meaning never in the NFL until now. See my post a few posts back where Pereira points out refs were given a tape showing many cases where it should have been called. Guess the league knows the rule now.

Also ... anyone see BB's press conference? He seemed to be saying something about "second level" re: that rule, not sure what he meant. Anyone?

Edit, or as on writer says:

James Christensen ‏@NEPatriotsDraft 3m
Never gets to that point if Brady is sharp, but I just don't the foul was egregious enough to call it —in overtime—for the first time ever.

 

[Big-T]

Re: Blaming the refs? Really?

If "pushing the pile" is an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty then please enlighten me as to why pushing the pile on running plays are never flagged as such, seems this is a rule to "protect the players"?

 

[Afam]

That rule is a stupid rule. You just don't call during that moment of the game. Everyone knows that football players commits a holding infraction on every single play, but do the refs call that. No

 

[DreamWino]

Mike Flynn on CSN says it's to protect the Center.

Safety I heard

 

[PatriotsInGA]

Re: Blaming the refs? Really?

While the wrong call was made on so many different levels, the Pats played very poor today.

Brady forcing passes, no running game, atrocious LB play. You name it and the Pats did it badly.

BUT, this does not mean Brady is on the downturn. Did you all forget the Saints game already?? Get a grip people. You can't win them all

 

[SEA_Pat]

Got to give the Jets Defense credit, they came out after half time with some adjustments and got pressure and that directly resulted in a pick-six and 3 three and outs. It took the Offense WAY too long to adjust. Jets front line played very well.

Worried that Brady wasn't looking much at KT, although of course I couldn't tell whether he was open or not from the TV angles. Defense played somewhat heroically given how much time they had to spend on the field.

Yeah, it's a ridiculous way to lose a game on a technicality like that. And the Chandler Jones personal foul was a joke. But that's today's NFL. If they'd executed, it wouldn't have mattered. Happy to be 5-2 and getting some rest so the team can heal up.

 

[Observer]

The rules are the rules. The rush is part of the reason the kicker missed so I can't blame the Ref. Whoever made that rule is crazy though.

Exactly, it is the kind of rule that seems to be tailor-made to affect a game's outcome. On any goal line play , you could probably make that call 100% of the time and there would be no way to say that it was the wrong call. Even the NBA might be better.

 

[crew1954]

Re: Blaming the refs? Really?

Refs do not make the rules. They only enforce them.
It's a stupid rule IMO

See: Hobbs, Ellis 2006 AFCCG.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Re: Blaming the refs? Really?

I'm not going to blame the refs for that loss, the better team won today.

That said, it was a random ass call and an odd spot to call that in - a defense just busted their ass to make a big stop and you call something that really had no effect on the play. Usually in those spots refs tend to (should) swallow their whistles (see: last year's SB for example where SF's receiver was molested in the end zone and nothing is called). I think we all can agree that infraction on Baltimore aided them in stopping SF than this infraction aided us in stopping that FG. When a play like this is called to essentially hand the game to one of two teams that are busting their ass to win the game instead of letting them decide it on their own, it is extremely aggravating. So yes, the Jets deserve this win, but that referee really needs to be assessed.

 

[fnordcircle]

Re: Most pathetic game in Patriots history

Someone should remind the NFL it's important that the outcome of games be determined by the players on the field, not by some referee who throws a flag for something that had no bearing on anything.

If we executed better on the tying drive we wouldn't have gone to OT. If we stopped them from running the ball down our throats that would have kept us out of that situation.

I don't like it when a call that doesn't impact the play is thrown at a crucial moment but one call by a ref doesn't decide ****.

The histrionics this week are going to be unbearable - I can already tell. 5-2, top of our division, a bye coming up and some of our big playmakers are coming back plus new folks are fitting in. We weren't gonna be 16-0 now nothing ******* matters except winning the division.

 

[moejr]

Mike Flynn on CSN says it's to protect the Center.

Every rule now is about protecting every player. is this football or knitting class?

 

[Jlaff]

The rules are the rules. The rush is part of the reason the kicker missed so I can't blame the Ref. Whoever made that rule is crazy though.

I don't buy this "rules are rules" argument. You choose to apply this rule for the first f***ing time in OT? That is how comfortable your understanding of this new rule is as a ref that you are willing to call it for the first time ever at the most controversial time imaginable? Having this rule in place all year, you are f***ing telling me this is the first time the ref who threw the flag saw that violation all year? 7 weeks into the season the first time he saw this violation was at a point where calling it essentially creates a guaranteed OT win?

Something isn't right here.

 

[flasox27]

Does anybody think that the Pats get that call if circumstances were reversed. Does anybody think that call will be made in any other game this year. i don't mind losing legitimately and concede that the Jets outplayed the Pats but it is not the job of the Ref's to decide the game. This is the second time the Jets were gift wrapped a game by the Ref's. I recall their game against the Buc's where a phantom roughing penalty was called on the last play to put them in field goal range. Of course it never hurts to have a former employee as the POS commissioner.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Blaming the refs? Really?

It was the right call on a penalty that is rarely called. I don't blame the refs for that. The push really didn't help the Pats and Folk would have missed whether he pushed or not.

I blame the player for doing something stupid on a play that all the Pats really had to do was not commit a stupid penalty. Even if he wasn't flagged, he gained no edge on that play.

 

[upstater1]

The rules are the rules. The rush is part of the reason the kicker missed so I can't blame the Ref. Whoever made that rule is crazy though.

Actually, whatever push there was didn't have an impact. Kick was up and the guy he pushed hadn't even moved through the line. Not only that, but it was Vellano who pushed and not Jones.

I knew about this rule. I've seen it called before. But only when you have pushing on someone's butt. It's a lot more deliberate when it's called. What Vellano did was nothing more than a maul. You should be allowed to do that. You shouldn't be allowed to do the other.

 

[moejr]

One thing that needs to stop is throwing the deep ball. That's not Brady's game. Dink and Dunk got us a long ways in the early 2000's when we won 3 SB's in 4 years.

 

[Observer]

Re: What the HELL!!?!?!??!

We did not deserve to lose that way.

On the other hand, we didn't deserve to win that game.

So I'm angry at the Refs, but we shouldn't have won anyway.

Why exactly didn't we deserve to win that game??? Tight games are won and lost all the time. If that penalty wasn't called and we scored a field goal on the next drive, would you still say the Jets deserved it more than the Pats?

The only thing more puzzling than that call is the fans who are saying somehow it was okay because we didn't deserve it anyway!