The Official Rounds 2&3 2013 NFL Draft Thread

[Joker]

neither of the 3rd round picks met my expectations...I figured they'd get a big body with one of them...and another receiver to push Dobson.

These Rutger picks could havce been made in the 4th round at worst...the safety pick really speaks to some rationale the Pats war room has that is not freely disseminated to the fanbase. I look at that Harmon pick and think 7th round or FA.

 

[DaBruinz]

My point with Steward was that he played in the same position as Collins, playing in the same conference and against the same competition and accumulating better statistics. And still, he was not drafted in the first 3 rounds. WHy is that? If getting those kinds of numbers in Conference USA, according to you, was impressive, why didn't he get drafted already? It's because it's not as impressive as you think it is because it happened against Conference USA competition.

Had Collin's numbers been against SEC competition, and with the measurables he showed in the combine, he would have been a top 20 pick.

You have no point. You were talking out your rear end as you typically do when you don't like a Belichick pick (which is also very often).

Unlike YOU, I acknowledge what the numbers are and what conference they came from. I wasn't the one making asinine claims about the guy. That was you. Do everyone a favor and admit you were wrong and be done with it.

 

[ATippett56]

Rutgers linebacker Khaseem Greene would have been a great selection with the 91st overall pick.

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[DaBruinz]

I told you guys last night they would trade back and fill out the back up roles on this team and draft players with minimal impact. I like Dobson and maybe the linebacker does something, but damn the team isn't better than last year. It is worse.

Most people said the Patriots would be trading back. You acting like this was some revelation that only you came up with is pathetic.

I have news for you. Dobson will be a starter. There's a very good chance that Collins will be a starter once Ninkovich is done in the next couple of years. Logan Ryan has the potential to be a starter.

Harmon has the potential to have an impact on special teams immediately. As do Dobson, Collins and Ryan.

Why do people like you insist on being so ignorant and act like Special teams is not an important part of the game. Particularly for young guys just coming into the league?

 

[belichick010405]

Rutgers linebacker Khaseem Greene would have been a great selection with the 91st overall pick.

BIG EAST Announces 2012 Postseason Football Honors > The BIG EAST Conference > News

I agree with that.....As for Walter's comments, he is a guy that doesn't mince words and while I enjoy his website as well, he is not one of the guys that I would utilize as a primary source regarding talent evaluation and his opinion of Dobson would be a good example of that. The same can be said about his opinion on Harmon because he probably never scouted him either.

 

[DaBruinz]

A 7th rounder (Edelman) as a "WTF Pick"??? No...

Says the guy who wasn't even a participant in the conversations at the time they were happening. Yes, Edelman WAS a WTF pick because people didn't understand why the Pats would draft a former QB who hadn't played WR. Many thought they should have waited and made him a UDFA.

 

[DaBruinz]

What makes it worse is the solid job being done by the Steelers. They needed to get a linebacker. They got the best in the draft. They needed a WR. They got one of the top prospects. They needed a RB and they got one without bouncing around for 'value', drafting a different position a round later and then finally deciding to take the RB after that.

The Steelers are putting on a clinic on how to draft, and the Patriots are putting on a clinic on how not to draft.*


* Disclaimer: This is the poster's opinion of the points being raised specifically in the quoted post, about the general discussion at hand, and he realizes that others may agree or disagree. He considers that understood on a message board.

Did I miss that Jarvis Jones fell to the 2nd round? OH WAIT. No. He didn't. He went at 17th of the first round. And he is a boom or bust pick. You'd know that if you watched the Georgia/Alabama game where Jones was a non-issue for most of the game.

Markus Wheaton and Aaron Dobson were rated equally. Acting like the Pats got fleeced or somehow had to settle for a lesser WR is laughable on your part.

OH. BTW. The Steelers missed the play-offs last year. The Pats went to the AFCCG. Just thought you needed reminding of that.

This idea that the Steelers are putting on a clinic while the Pats are showing how not to draft is outright laughable. You can't even start to judge the draft until the players have actually PLAYED. I know that is a concept foreign to you. But, then, you seem to insist on needing to be correct all the time, which is why you put up your ridiculous disclaimer.

 

[Brady2Moss]

Most people said the Patriots would be trading back. You acting like this was some revelation that only you came up with is pathetic.

I have news for you. Dobson will be a starter. There's a very good chance that Collins will be a starter once Ninkovich is done in the next couple of years. Logan Ryan has the potential to be a starter.

Harmon has the potential to have an impact on special teams immediately. As do Dobson, Collins and Ryan.

Why do people like you insist on being so ignorant and act like Special teams is not an important part of the game. Particularly for young guys just coming into the league?

I meant when they traded back that they would draft depth filler. It was a revelation to most since they were acting like BB had bent over the vikings and was getting 4 times the talent. Dobson is the only guy that moved the needle for me. I clearly said I liked him.

Sorry I don't give a rats ass about wasting 3rd round picks on guys that can immediately contribute on special teams before they exit the league due to lack of skill.

 

[ATippett56]

neither of the 3rd round picks met my expectations...I figured they'd get a big body with one of them...and another receiver to push Dobson.

These Rutger picks could havce been made in the 4th round at worst...the safety pick really speaks to some rationale the Pats war room has that is not freely disseminated to the fanbase. I look at that Harmon pick and think 7th round or FA.

I don't have any problem with the Logan Ryan selection.

Personally, I would have preferred Rutgers linebacker Khaseem Greene over Rutgers safety Duron Harmon, since Greene would have provided pass coverage ability from the linebacker position.

 

[DaBruinz]

I guess my point is that if they're going to take an approach that involves trading back frequently (which I strongly agree with) then shouldn't they at least be attempting to speculate on where players will be slotted by other teams?

It's one thing to say "the draft is a crapshoot, it's mostly about system, coaching, the right fit etc. I'm gonna pick Tavon Wilson and Duron Harmon" it's another thing to trade a first round pick back to get those guys. That says that you think that's where the value is in the draft. if that's the case how can you make picks that would likely fall to the 6th or 7th round? Or do people think that BB happened to spot 2 guys that a few teams secretly/randomly had rated in the 2nd/3rd? Or did BB just mistakenly think that?

It just doesn't make sense to trade back and not give a crap about where everyone else rates players, you're basically putting an emphasis on exploiting others overvaluing one asset and then immediately squandering the reward.

*sigh* Well, the problem that "trading back frequently" isn't their approach. Their approach is trading for what they believe is the value of the pick at hand. They trade back if they believe that there are no players on the board that fit the value of the pick. However, if there is a player they like, they will move up to grab him IF they can find a trade partner who is willing to accept what they are offering. Again, it's about value.

You clearly don't understand or have never read how the Patriots actually rate players. They give them a Number and letter. They do that to ALL the players on the team as well as the players in the draft. When they draft, they are looking at players based on the grades the team has given them and whether or not they have the potential to be upgrades. How other teams rate the players means nothing to the Patriots. Why should it? It has no bearing on what the Patriots do.

This has been the Patriots modus operandi since 2001. It's given them 5 SB appearances in an 11 year span. 10 play-off appearances in a 12 year span. It's a system that BB believe works. And, considering that they've not had a losing season since 2000, I'd say it's a pretty good run they've been on.

 

[ausbacker]

I don't have any problem with the Logan Ryan selection.

Personally, I would have preferred Rutgers linebacker Khaseem Greene over Rutgers safety Duron Harmon, since Greene would have provided pass coverage ability from the linebacker position.

Let's be honest, most of us realise that Duron Harmon appears to be a reach and probably could have been taken later in the draft. The thing we all know yet continue to ignore is the Patriots draft board. They take the player they want at the slot they want. As far as I'm concerned, yes, it may be a head scratcher but Safety was a need and that need was addressed.

It's over to Harmon to prove that his selection in the 3rd round is a prudent selection.

 

[Claremonster]

How about BB isnt allowed to make any more draft picks until the 7th round? Seems fair to me, the proof is in the picks.

Come on now Mel, BB doesn't like you at all either.

 

[DaBruinz]

They lack CB depth, if Talib gets hurt like he has a history of doing its back to Arrington island on the outside and then you are completely screwed. Wilson is a part time player that might be toast. The defense is only as good as Talib's health is, if he is healthy they are a good defense agreed. If he gets hurt they are screwed and did nothing to address that problem.

So, you've seen the future and you know, for 100% certainty, that neither Dowling nor Ryan will work out at CB for the Pats. Wanna tell everyone what the winning lottery numbers are since you are so good at predicting the future
?

Brady is going to be mentally tested this season due to his top 3 targets being frequently injured. Dobson better be ready to make an impact year 1, I like his potential but we need impact NOW not 2 years from now the window is almost shut.

That is your assumption that he's going to be mentally tested. And Amendola had a couple of freak accidents. He's not "frequently injured". You really need to stop being the media parrot. This idea that Dobson has to make an IMPACT now is ludicrous. All he has to do is work hard, make the team and earn Brady's confidence. If they get him signed early and get him working with Brady early enough, that can happen.

They had a lot of cap space and decent draft picks. They signed a bunch of JAGs while retaining their own (not impressive when you have a **** load of cap space) and then traded back and literally drafted horrendous players in the 3rd round and a guy who literally quit on his team and showed minimal effort in the year that serves as his try out for the NFL.

The Pats didn't have as much cap space as you think. In fact, the Pats only had about 60% of the cap space of the Bengals or TB. You claim they signed a bunch of JAGs. Sorry, they didn't. In fact, the Pats were relatively quiet compared to other years. They re-signed Vollmer to a long-term deal which was huge. They also re-signed Talib. They signed a very exciting RB in Leon Washington who should improve a woeful kick return game. Donald Jones is just getting into his prime.

Now, how many Rutgers games did you actually watch? My guess is NONE. So for you to claim that Logan Ryan and Duron Harmon are horrendous players is pathetic.

Who is the player who quit on his team that the Patriots drafted? Last I looked, the Pats didn't draft Marquess Wilson. He is the only player in the draft that I know of that "quit" on his team. The Pats drafted Aaron Dobson as a WR and Jamie Collins as a OLB/DE. Neither of whom quit on their team this past year.

Collins and Dobson may be great 1-2 years from now, but we needed impact now and did not get it. I'm sorry they are worse.

Again, unless you can see the future, you are basing this on absolutely nothing.

 

[Claremonster]

Let's be honest, most of us realise that Duron Harmon appears to be a reach and probably could have been taken later in the draft. The thing we all know yet continue to ignore is the Patriots draft board. They take the player they want at the slot they want. As far as I'm concerned, yes, it may be a head scratcher but Safety was a need and that need was addressed.

It's over to Harmon to prove that his selection in the 3rd round is a prudent selection.

BB's draft board is obviously different than everyone elses. As long as the guys can play and make a difference...that is all that matters. Hopefully they can be of good to great value.

 

[DaBruinz]

Nope the one where I looked at BBs drafts with this team and didn't reduce the sample size to an arbitrary time point after where the guy that handles BB's phone calls and dinner orders was changed from Pioli to Caserio. It always has been BB so look at the entire sample and notice that rounds 2-4 = bust city and a handful of good players.

Enjoy the great Rutgers players we drafted in round 3 and a low-motor guy that quit on his team in round 2. Should have just kept the first round pick and selected a guy that could make an impact instead of sing the Rutgers fight song.

So, you are a complete liar to boot. You sure did reduce the sample size. You talked only about rounds 2-4 and then you arbitrarily claimed people were not starters when they were. This was pointed out to you and you laughed for no reason.

Again, you make a claim that isn't supported at all about a "low motor guy who quit on his team". Neither Jamie Collins nor Aaron Dobson quit on their team this past year. You just don't know what you are talking about.

 

[DaBruinz]

You are a troll, I tried reading your illogical responses with excessive bold and italics but just gave up after you tried acting like the D didn't collapse without Talib. You offer absolutely nothing to the discussion.

Also you don't even know what ADHD is you just use stupid buzz words and are entirely useless as a poster.

It is you who is entirely useless as a poster. Do yourself a favor and actually learn something about football for a change..

 

[Claremonster]

I don't have any problem with the Logan Ryan selection.

Personally, I would have preferred Rutgers linebacker Khaseem Greene over Rutgers safety Duron Harmon, since Greene would have provided pass coverage ability from the linebacker position.

Didn't they already draft Collins?

 

[randomk1]

Let's be honest, most of us realise that Duron Harmon appears to be a reach and probably could have been taken later in the draft. The thing we all know yet continue to ignore is the Patriots draft board. They take the player they want at the slot they want. As far as I'm concerned, yes, it may be a head scratcher but Safety was a need and that need was addressed.

It's over to Harmon to prove that his selection in the 3rd round is a prudent selection.

Isn't it rather stupid to discard what value other teams have put on a prospect? We talk about BB being all about value and then drafting some guy nobody has heard of way before his perceived value makes absolutely no sense.

 

[Claremonster]

Isn't it rather stupid to discard what value other teams have put on a prospect? We talk about BB being all about value and then drafting some guy nobody has heard of way before his perceived value makes absolutely no sense.

You should show BB how to draft. Message him on facebook.

 

[DaBruinz]

I stopped reading your post long before any questions came up. The D can't cover anyone when Talib goes down because they have no CB depth. They can't get a pass rush either and addressed that with a tweener that played in Conference USA, good job.

This is pure falsehood on your part. It was only Cole who couldn't cover Boldin after Talib went down. You can't even get your facts straight.

The Pats had 37 sacks last year. That was middle of the pack. Collins isn't a tweener. He's a perfect fit for the 3-4/4-3 OLB/DE that the Patriots like to have. BTW, it's a fallacy to knock where a player comes from. Do we really need to go into all the different "small schools" that have produced tremendous players for the NFL? Jeremiah Trotter- Steven F. Austin.

It is easy to speak in generalities with this team because they have had the same general issues for years and don't effectively address them due to obsession with value and bargain shopping.

No one is filled with hate, I'm not sure why you want me to tell you that **** smells like roses you have plenty of other fans on here to do that for you.

I will ignore you now because you are just interested in screaming out buzz words like hate, liar, etc. because you cannot stand someone telling you your favorite team has issues. Goodnight.

Sorry, but you are filled with hate. Otherwise, you wouldn't be here trolling the way you do. And please, you are no fan of this team. You couldn't be. Not with what you spew on a regular basis.